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A19855 A detection of that sinnful, shamful, lying, and ridiculous discours, of Samuel Harshnet. entituled: A discouerie of the fravvdulent practises of Iohn Darrell wherein is manifestly and apparantly shewed in the eyes of the world. not only the vnlikelihoode, but the flate impossibilitie of the pretended counterfayting of William Somers, Thomas Darling, Kath. Wright, and Mary Couper, togeather with the other 7. in Lancashire, and the supposed teaching of them by the saide Iohn Darrell. Darrel, John, b. ca. 1562. 1600 (1600) STC 6283; ESTC S109292 232,635 230

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to couer their lewdnes The Exorcists of both kindes for wante of worke are driuen to they re shiftes and like tinkers walke vp and downe from place to place seeking to be imployed pag. 60 Obserue heere not somuch the Disc rayling as his contrariety thwarting of himselfe for page 22. he himselfe saith and confesseth that when Kath. Wright was first troubled she was by one M. Beresfordes aduice sent to M Dar. at Mansfeild and to one M Beckingham to be comforted or cured of her infirmity And concerning the occasion of my dealing with Th. Darling thus The certainty hereof is that M. Walkedeu the boyes grandfather hearing how M. Dar. had helped K. Wright procured him to come to Burton to helpe Darling from him he peoceedeth to those in Lancashire When the 7. in Lancashire were troubled M. Starky and M. Dee resolued vpon him and writ their seueral letters vnto him for his repayre into Lancashire pag 23. And lastly as touching the occasion of my going to Somers he saith that * I hauinge a sister in lawe at Nott one Mistres Wallye she writ vnto me requesting me to come ouer to see the said Somers Her evpon he addeth and colle●teth and that trimlye thus Hetherto it may appeare how M. Dar. hath beue sought vnto Yf this his collection with the premises be true otherwise he is greatly to blame to publish them to the world and that for certayne truthes how can this also be true that like a tinker I walked vpp and downe c. It is one thing to be sought vnto and an other to seeke for worke and to be ymployed And thus is the Discou●rer conuynced by his Discouery and let this suffice for answer and refutation of his tinkerlike stuffe It is a matter of some difficulty to discouer their shifts and sleightes to that purpose pag 6● they haue so many and by their experience doe manage them so crastely Diuers of them are heere set downe and the rest may be supplyed peraduenture by some heereafter Sometimes they make ch●yce of some such boyes or wenches as they thinke are fitt for then purpose whome they procure by many promises and allurements to keepe their counsell and to be as they tearme it aduised by them The Disc and So. pag 79 81. pag 86. p●g ●2 84 heereafter tell vs how for his counterfeiting● I * promised him he should neuer want whilest I liued 2. * that so doing I doubted not to procure him a release from his maister that besides I allured him by giuinge him first xij pence and after that an other xij pence but we heare nothing of the promises I made either Kath. Wright or Th. Darling or Mary Cooper nor yet how these or those in Lancashire were allured to counterfeyte pag. 63. But I conceaue how it is These were not sit schollers to dissemble and collude with me as Som. was and others of that kinde but counterfe●ts of an other kinde such as I did not confederate or couenant with as I did with Somers but as my comming to their fayned dispossession pag. 63. sound ill at case troubled eyther in their stoma●k with choller or fleame or in their belly with grypinges or collick or in their heade or ioynts with aches or numnesse and vppon certaine speaches vsed by me a reformed Exorcist began to suspect them selues to be possessed pag. 65. pag 66. and others also with them wherevpon they pore soules vnawares acted they knew not how the signes of possessyon and dispossession Did euer one reade any thing more absurde then this It may be we shall heereafter heare that which is as absurd of Somers but otherwise we seldome or neuer reade the like sottish and ridiculous stuff as the Disc hath for 8. leaues togither from page 61. vntill the ende of his first booke But he procedeth in his childe-ish tale And these are commonly of the poorer sort either the children or seruāts of such persons pag. ●1 as the Exorcists doe well know to be of their owne stampe and well aff●cted towards them Heere the Disc greatly forgate himselfe● for albeit some of our Dem●macks were pore yet was not Th. Darlīg of the porer sort much lesse M. Starkies children whose sonne is to inherite land worth as I take it some hundreds of pounds by the yeare But he worse forgat himselfe in that which followeth for how could we know the parents or maisters of such to be well affected towards vs whome wee neuer knew or sawe in the face before we dealt in the dispossession of the persons possesse ● as they are ready to testify and one in reason may well imagine of M. Starky and Mar. Byroms mother seing we dwelt about to myles asunder He addeth that we knowe them to be of oure owne stampe what he meaneth hereby because these wordes are somwhat obscure we may perceaue by that heere following set downe page 69. you shall obserue a little wonder It will heardly be shewed that any of this sorte haue bene found but either in the houses of R●cusants or of such as haue on the other side pretended some zeale for they know not what reformation Heerein also the Disc was greatlye deceaued for it is well known that the parents and maister of the persons possessed were not Recusants and for zeale after reformation they were so farr from that as vndoubtedly they know not what that reformation he speaketh of meant no not any of them Darlings frendes excepted Thus you heare of what stamp they were whose children or seruants counterfeyted as the Disc tearmeth theire vexation by sathan whereby it is manifest of what stamp we are that dealt in the dispossessinge of these counterfeytes which also in the same place he declareth more at large Besides it falleth out amongst vs that they who haue taken vppon them pag. 69. to haue cast out diuells haue still bene men of that humour as being forsooth more pure then the rest of their brethren where by the way first we may learne who is more pure then the rest of his brethren that is in playne termes a puritane not he as all men imagine who challengeth some purity to himselfe aboue other men but he who is of the humour of reformation more playnlie he that hath some zeale for reformation Yf the cause be thus as it is cleare it is there is no cause why these puritanes as they call them should be hated despised abhorred and so shamefully intreated as they were rather dogges then men It is a good thing and deseruing loue and reuerence to desire the reformation of that which is amisse in church or person a better more pleasing to god to seeke and labour after it so it be done aright and in due order and best of all and highly accepted before god to be earnest and zealous therein But admit that these men seeke after the ref●rmation of those things which be not amisse and neede
not therefore to be reformed in particuler admit that it was lawfull for men to reepe carnall things of those congregations where they sowe not spirituall thinges to eate of the milke of the flock though they feede not the flock for these kind of * souldiers to haue wages albeit they goe not a warfare and that it were not the Lords ordinance that they only which preach the gospell 1 tim 2. 3 1 cor 6. 14 16. should liue of the gospell and that necessity lyeth not vpon euery minister to preach the gospell but that the reading thereof sufficeth and that men may liue of the gospel although they be not able to preach the gospell or if they be able preach little or not at all or not to the people from whome for their said preachīg sake they receaue their maintenance also that weomen may baptise in the case of danger or necessity as they call it c. Admit this I say yet notwithstanding forasmuch as those whom men call ●uritans doe seeke the reformation of these things and others of the same kinde in a zeale of god as is hereby manifest in that for this cause they doe are ready to forsake father and mother wife and children house and land liberty with all the comforts of this life yea life it selfe it god cal them therevnto and are contented in and during this life to be of all men the most miserable there is small cause why the Discouerer and the world with him should hate scorne so contemptibly vse them as if they were the o●●cowring of the world and refuse of the people S. I●aule in the 9. to the Roma calleth God to witnesse to his conscience that he had great heauiness● and continuall sorrowe in his heart and that he would wish himselfe to be seperated from god vers 1. for his brethren that were his kin●men according to the flesh and in the begining of the Chapter follwing he vseth these wordes Brethren my harts desire and prayer to god for Israell is that they might be saued his reasō therof followeth For I beare them record that they haue the zeale of God but not accordinge to knowledge ●ce● 1. If Paule were thus affected towards the Iewes who were so exceedingly violent and outragious in whatsoeuer they went about in their blynde zeale as at large appeareth by the story of the Actes of the Aposties because they had in them a zeale of god woulde hee were he now liuing among vs be so affected as the most are towards the puritanes as they are tearmed in whome it is manifest there is a zeale of god be it that it were not according to knowledg seing they doe nothing in their said zeale in a tumultuous but all peaceable manner as by prayer to god and humble petition to her Maiestye the heade and the body of this Realme met and ioyned togither in Parliament either would S. Paule trowe wee call these men in scorne as the Disc doth * men of the ouerworne consistorian faction men of the hum●ur of reformation men more pure then the rest of their brethren that is puritanes or with others precisians phantasticall men c. yea of Sathan Sathanist● as my self haue heard them called because of they re zeale admit it were a blinde zea el who for the blinde zeale that the Iewes had called them so louingly brethren It is not possible As from some thinges which might be obserued so from these two places and some other especially that page 15. where vpon certaine worthy premises he collecteth that in all likelihood seing neither by learning nor sufficient arguments they of the over-w●rne Consistorian facti●n could heeretofore preuayle pag. 15. for the setting vp of their presbyteryall conceyts they thought to supply their wants therein by this deuise of castīg our diuells It may very probably be gathered that the thinge which hath vexed the Disc and made him sweate somuch about counterfeyting is not the counter feyting and teaching to counterfeyt a possession nor his hatred and abomination to sinne and in particular to this detestable cousenage but his hatred against the instrumentes which god vsed in these great workes of his whome together with also● the same stamp as from his soule he hath of long hated so hereby was the same mightely increased in that these kinde of men should be thought to haue such interest in Christ Iesus as that at their falsly termed verball prayers and hypocriticall fasting he should as it were visibly descende from heauen and tread downe Sathan vnder their feete This said the Narrator before the Disc came forth cannot be indured whereby we may se he coniectured aright And mark what he therevpon out of the Apostle addeth But god hath chosen the foolish thinges of the world to confound the wise and the weake thinges of the worlde to ●onfound the mighty As if he had said in that the Lord hath vsed in these rare and great workes of his such weake and contemptible mē we should rather considering the lordes manner of dealing be confirmed thereby in these workes further assured that they are of god then kept from beleuing and embracing the same These are not dealt with but there must be a great assembly gathered togither in one corner or other all of them such persons as they knowe to be their frendes pag. 6● or at the least as their said frends doe bring with them and are thought fit to be peruerted The falshood of this is heereby manifest in that M. More and I knewe not those persons in Lancashire who ioyned with vs in prayer to god for the casting out of Sathan of the persons possessed as they can witnesse nor yet any one of them being meere strangers of them al● and they to vs and at Nott. also they were generally vnknowne to me neither was their any choyce made by some of our frendes At the 〈◊〉 on of the 7 in Lancashire there were present about 40. of ●o at N● 15● and procuring of men to come as is well knowne to them that did come who were not a few as the Disc suggesteth Besides this partly argueth that were there a counterfeytinge indeede these our sayde frendes were confederates therein which I think hardly any will sauour It is maruaile that the Disc affirmed not likewise that all those which haue seene Somers Darling and the 7. in Lancashire in their pretended fitts were not my fre●d● so should I haue some stoare of frends or at least that my frendes he speaketh of did bring them or procure them to come knowing them to be such as were like to be peruerted for this he might as truly haue affirmed as the other this had bene to some purpose indeede whereas the other is to none It is strange therefore that he strayned not himselfe a little further but though he doe it not heere yet he saith something els-where bend●g this way for speaking of the
by tareats and other wise to drawe many of those which came before him and his fellow● commissioners to depose the contrary to that I had formerly deposed that so he might make me ●atfull to the world because I was for sooth so notorious a periured person to the great greife alas of the poore soules and trouble of theire consciences the most of them not so much deposinge willingly that which they knew to be true as what the Disc against their willes would haue them to depose perswaded to be true saying I trust Darrell himselfe hath confessed it vpon his oath c. when I had deposed otherwise and that the same w●re false as my selfe doe assuredly knowe and am able and offer to make direct profe theirof by some of there depositions and of many of them could by the power of reason shew the same and would but for breuitie sake The Disc telleth vs that the reader shall reape some profit by his Discouerer if heread it with no greater mallice then it was written The profit is in stead of glorifiyng God for the greate workes he hath wrought and making that right and holy vse of his works wherof at large we haue heard elswhere to receiue an evill name false and vile report of the same and to iustifie the wicked and condemne the righteous which is an abomination before the Lord. And looke what reward is due to him that sendeth forth such cursed fruite that may the Discouerer expecte and in iustice is to receiue at the handes of the christian Magistrate for all the paynes he hath taken For doth not nature it selfe teach vs that the labourer is worthy of his hire and reason this that the hire or reward should be proportionable to the labour or paynes man taketh VVhether this corrupt and worse then rotten stuffe and whether S. H. Discouery detected now I trust to be a very sinfull shamfull slaunderous and lying treatise came from charitie as the Discouerer pretēdeth or from mallice which he denieth as it belongeth to god the searcher of the hartes to iudge so it is no hard thinge for man to coniecture For as out of the abundance of the hart the mouth speaketh so the hand writeth Howbeit peraduenture when he hath better considered the contentes of this treatise Discouerer pag 3●4 he wil not be so peremtorie Otherwis● he hath here matter sufficient to shew his skill in for the iustification of it Darrell As in these wordes the Discouerer very valiantly challengeth the Narrator so pag 58. doth he challeng me likwise saying after his scoffinge manner that I will peradventure be better prouided hereafter and that it were conveniēt also that I furnished my selfe with some better profs This chalenge considered there is smale cause why any should be offended with me for answering the Discouerie and producing the best proofes I haue for the prouinge that William Somer● the 7. in La●●cashire Thomas Darling and Katherine Wright were indeed possessed with deuils and dispossessed of them and did not counterfeit the same as is vntruly affirmed by the Discouerer some others And if it be so that here in I haue deliuered the truth as I trust it is manifest by this and my other treatise me thinketh no christian should be displeased therwith but rather reioyce in this publishing manifestation of these workes of god and remouing of the blocke that lyeth im the way hindering the Lordes people from magnifiyng of him for them and profitinge by them Can the child of God be offended with that which tendeth to the prayse and glorie of God his father or the louer of the truth with the contendinge for the truth and conviction of the falshood Haue I committed any thinge herein but that which in dewtie I did owe vnto God and could not without sinne haue left vnperformed The Prophet Ieremiah complayneth that the people in his time had no courage for the truth Ier. 9. ● Had not I bene guiltie of this sinne and had not this reprofe reached it selfe to me if base and vile man publiklye defacing the truth and workes of God I should not as publikly haue maintayned the same and shewed some courage for the truth beinge a principall witnes of these workes and called also to suffer for them If S. H. had published a slaunderous and reprochfull booke against me meerly concerning my owne person and not against the Lord also as this his Discouery concerning my teaching to counterfeit is pro. 22 1. I could haue bene contented in silence to haue passed by it and yet a good name is a pretious thinge aboue siluer and gould and such as one would be loth to lose or suffer to be taken from him but to see S. H. slaunder and bringe vp an euill name of the workes of God and spread the same farr and neare and for feare of punishment or desire of libertie or other carnall respect not to gaynsay S. H. and to iustifie the works of God against him and all gainsayers was apoynt of great cowardlines and ill beseeminge the souldier of Iesus Christ 2 Tim. 2. 3. R●n 21. 8. and indeed to feare man more then God Such fearefull ones shall haue their parte in the take which burneth with fire and brimston which is the second death The scope and drift of all that hath bene saide concerninge both the cause and my selfe is that the mouthes of all men being stopped and the worke of God beinge acknowledged The Lord may haue his glorie and prayse and man receiue his profite theirby Secondly that mine owne innocency and fellow prisonners appearinge we may not only being restored to our ministerie and people obtayne libertie for our bodyes but also for our tongues they which haue caused all this sturr in our church and vniust molestations vnto vs and in vs beinge ministers to the c●ngregations we ●el●erge and ●aysed vp this vile slaunder of the great and rare worke of God and free s●eated to vphold and maintaine it beinge on foot and theirin sought against God and his glorie and the good of his people may be inquired i●●uired after and being found out delt with as the enimies of God 〈◊〉 church and receiue theire ●u●t recompence or rewarde The ●●●dnes of 〈◊〉 cause the in●onerable in●ur●e done to vs the seruants an● 〈◊〉 of the Lord of 〈◊〉 cry a ●ou● and shir● vnto the 〈◊〉 of men 〈◊〉 meane the honorable and in ni●● place and 〈◊〉 for a ●pea●● execution theirof 〈◊〉 ●●wes and of our land and the authoritie when ●rom her most excellent Ma●estie is deriued to 〈…〉 trust mem●e and most 〈◊〉 sup●● our 〈◊〉 Gods ●s that they would ●ender the cause 〈…〉 zea●ous if euer ye Princes ●ud 〈…〉 and 〈◊〉 nor Gods cause to be th●s 〈…〉 or men● Remember and forget not thus ●aying 〈…〉 I will 〈◊〉 they 〈…〉 〈…〉 then you our 〈◊〉 and honorable per●● 〈…〉 〈◊〉 right honorable indeed be you care●ull