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A53704 An enquiry into the original, nature, institution, power, order and communion of evangelical churches. The first part with an answer to the discourse of the unreasonableness of separation written by Dr. Edward Stillingfleet, Dean of Pauls, and in defence of the vindication of non-conformists from the guilt of schisme / by John Owen. Owen, John, 1616-1683. 1681 (1681) Wing O764; ESTC R4153 262,205 445

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