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A44504	Truth's triumph over deceit, or, A further demonstration that the people called Quakers be deceivers, and such as people ought to accompt accursed in their doctrines and principles in vindication of a former proof of that charge, made good against them, from the sorry shifts and evasions from it, and cavils of George Whitehead against it, in a pamphlet of his, called The Quakers no deceivers / written by John Horne ... as a further preservation of people from following any of their pernitious principles ...	Horn, John, 1614-1676.	1660 (1660)	Wing H2810; ESTC R41721	58,074	54

would have people believe me in are in part that very words of the Prophets and holy men of God and so if I drove at that to make people believe those things I drove but at the making them believe the truth of the Scriptures in those sayings and by consequence George indeavoured to drive them from believing them For that there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not and no man that sins not is not mine but Solomons by the spirit of truth I trow Eccles 7.20 1 Kings 8.46 and that no man is perfectly freed from sin in all respects in this life is evident both in Psal 143.2 and in that sicknesses diseases and mortality that came in by sin abides upon all men till death yea and the bodily death that came in by sin abides upon all till the resurrection and so long as any fruit of sin abides upon a man he is not perfectly in all respects freed from sin And to say as he doth that the asserting these things is the making way for my Fathers Kingdome which is upheld by sin as much as I could is evident blasphemy For God being my Father at least by creation as he after though erroniously saies the Disciples were taught so to call him their Father his kingdome is not upheld by sin and if he calls him the Devil he blasphemes or if he judge the Devil to be my Father as no doubt his charity leads him yet then he blasphemes the spirit of truth which breathed in the holy men of God while he makes the asserting their sayings a warring for the Devils kingdome that they be their sayings the places above quoted with Rom. 7.17 20 21 22 23. Jam. 3.2 1 John 1.8 10. and 2.1 2. make it evident See Reader how this man discovers his shame and falsehood in al his oppositions his intimations that we denyed him liberty to speak in evidence of his pretended truths is so false that the contrary namely that when he would have been reading and at other times he was called upon again and again to answer he would not for some time yea and sometime he had liberty or took it to talke so much that I could not have liberty to reply upon him and the calling out of the company to him to answer or else own himself proved a deceiver and perhaps sometimes laughing at his folly is that he calls the incivility towards him and clamoring of many at once against him And where he saies that many hearing him with sobernesse was as appeares a grief to me and probably some cause of my publishing of an imperfect relation of the discourse in print to render him and what he calls the truth odious and in my pride to make people believe I had got the victory I avouch in the presence of God that the people hearing him with sobernesse was no grief at all to me or any thing that I see as making against me in the people and if it appears so to him it 's because his eye sees by a false light and the spirit of truth guids him not therein I was very much rejoiced in the Lord to see his helpfulnesse afforded me and Geo. Whit. so made manifest to the people and the people so satisfied for which cause also I published as perfect a relation of the discourse of these points spoken to as possible I could and could I possibly have come by every word or fillable of it I was not afraid nor ashamed to make it publick knowing right well the more perfectly it had been published the more perfectly his folly had been made manifest So that if what I have published in print render him odious it is because his folly and deceit in the dispute was such as deserved it As for what he saies he shall make good against me in the strength of God it will appear to be but a deceived vapour in him by what I shall through Gods assistance say here to his two latter charges which he saies his Treatise makes good namely That my Ministry in which he falsly saies I contend for sin just as the Apostle John did in 1 Joh. 1.8 10. with 2.1 is Anti-Christian and both against the commands promise and works of God and leads to the making both the preaching and praying of Christ and the Saints ineffectual and that 2. I like a chollerick envious man against the truth of God and his people am a forger of lies a false accuser and slanderer and so one of the Dragons army c. By this making good or not making thou maist judge Reader whether the strength of God be with him to make good his former against me by dispute which he could challenge me to in publick either in market place Steeple-house or their meeting house in Lin namely 1. That I am out of the steps of the true Ministers and am in the practice of deceivers an hypocrite and no Minister of Christ and being a parish Priest am guilty of the Priests iniquity in many things against which I have declared And 2. That I uphold a dead formal worship like the world whereunto people are not called by the spirit of truth which is not the true worship and keep people from the life of God and my Ministry formal and corrupt Which his foolish challenge I shall not accept both because his folly and falshood in his boasts of strength to that may be sufficiently discovered in his failers of what he boasts he hath done in his Treatise as also because he therein laies a trap for me to get occation to reproach me for he knowes I sent him word that I should henceforth have no more to do with him but according to the Apostles counsel reject them now should I accept his challenge he and his party would reproach me as they did upon a lesse coloured occasion as a lyer and false Besides these being personal charges and the overflowings of their anger against me because foiled at the dispute and such things as these spoken so much as we thought needful in answer to his former book in which he spits such venemous stuff against me I shall not go about to plead my own cause but leave it to God and rather take good Hezekiahs course when Sennacherib railed upon him that would not have him answered again That he is far from making good his charges in the two other points of it spoken to as he saies in his treatise these things that follow in answer hereunto I hope will fully evince To my proofes for the Scriptures which he only sets down the quotations without saying any thing to them particularly that the Prophets Apostles and holy men of God even after they were Prophets Apostles and holy men came confessing themselves sinners and to have sin He saies I have not made it appear that the Quakers do not so for they own their confessing sin and they have confessed their sins to the Lord as

said in their Book the Saints that were then alive remained He saies I wrested their words and made a false construction of them contrary to the end and intent of them for what they said he saith was against our imaginations who look he saies carnally for the coming of Christ as many of the World do of whom Christ said I go away and the world seeth me no more John 14. Ans That I wrested not his words let their words and mine being compared witnesse They said as for that 1 Thes 4.15 our quotation they answered to was 1 Thes 4.15 16. concerning the coming of the Lord from heaven which phrase is v. 16. not the 15th though they both speak of the same coming that coming of Christ the Saints that were then alive remained to it Now from that I inferred that if they remained to that coming wherein they that are found alive shall not prevent them that sleep then they remained to that coming in which the dead in Christ even the dead bodies of the Saints that sleep in such sence as it 's said that Stephen fell asleep when he dyed shall be raised and the living changed c. Now let the Reader read 1 Thes 4.15.16 and see if that doth not necessarily follow and whither that be not the coming of the Lord there spoken to to which that phrase we that live and remain is coupled in verse 15 16 and 17. So that if the Apostles and Saints then living did remain to the coming of Christ from Heaven there spoken of as they said then did they remain till his coming with a shout and the voice of the Archangel and the dead in Christ being raised as is evident And I did not wrest their words besides the drift of them only they meant not indeed that they lived to the Resurrection of the dead bodies of the Saints though of that the Apostle there speaks because they believe no such thing but undermine it as I charged them That we carnaly looke for the coming of Christ as many of the world do is not only their reproof of us but an intimate blaspheming of the truth for we expressed no other looking for the coming of Christ from Heaven but that spoken to in 1 Thes 4.15 16. Philip. 3.21 which here they reproach as an imagination of ours as earnally looking for him as if it was but a carnal imagination to think that Christ shall ever so descend and come in like manner from heaven as the Disciples see him go up into heaven that is visibly and bodily by which reproach they are more made manifest to be Deceivers and such as ought to be accounted accursed by us as underminers of the hope of the Gospel nor doth Christ say in John 14. as G. secretly implies that the world shall see him no more he shall come no more visibly to them but the world after a little while seeth me no more or not yet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it is in the present time seeth me not yet or no more because he is now only to be seen in the spirit by faith whilst he is in bodily a bsence and the world hath not that faith by which to see him He saith He vindicated those words of theirs and witnessed to the several comings of Christ as he was revealed to the Saints from glory to glory How he vindicated their words both the relation of our discourse which he confirmes herein to be true and that he had no cause to fault me for saying his answers were to that purpose as I have related them which I added because I did not pretend to nor could I relate every word of his answer with all the circumstances tautologies and circumlocutions of them for to the same purpose as he here expresses I related and what he saith here shews unlesse by vindicating their words he mean as a distinct thing from witnessing to the several comings of Christ as he was revealed to the Saints c. what he alledged from the next Chapter about sleeping and from Jo. 5.25 about the dead hearing the voice of the Son of God and from 1 Thes 1.10 Of the Thessalonians waiting from the coming of Christ from Heaven and then also he both confirmes my relation that mentions those answers before his talking of the several degrees of Christs revealing himself to the Saints and so that he falfly cavils afterward when he saies that in pag. 11. I lay down many words that he never spake for there are not many words of his laid down in that page as the Reader thereof may see and what is laid down as his I dare call God and the Auditory to witnesse I have not wronged him in yea and he himself in this answer acknowledges divers of them and also how sorrily he vindicated their words or rather how grosly he prevaricated instead of vindicating them alledging the sleeping in security against which the Apostle warnes them 1 Thes 5.6 as an interpretation of the sleeping in Jesus about which in 1 Thes 4.13 14 15. he comforts them and the raising the dead in sins 1 Joh. 5.25 as answering to the rising of the dead in Christ 1 Thes 4 16. and the coming of Christ from Heaven which the believing Thessalonians that had turned from dumb Idols waited for as all one with that efficacy of the voice of Christ causing the dead in sins to hear and hearing to live spoken of John 5.25 Such a vindication of their words was but a more evident manifestation of their ignorance and corruption He adds that he Never denyed the coming of the Lord from Heaven when he shall bring with him them that sleep in Jesus and raise the dead in Christ nor ever said that that was already over and past As he saies I belyed him That he in so many expresse words denyed the coming of Christ from Heaven when he shall bring with him them that sleep I never charged him nor did he ever confesse that coming that bringing with him them that sleep in him and raising the dead in Christ the Apostle there speaks of but undermines it while he saies that the Saints then alive remained to it And calls our expecting it but an Imagination of ours and a carnal looking for him yea and though he did not in expresse words directly say it is over and past yet his saying the Saints then alive namely when the Apostle so wrote remained to it clearly implies it for is not remained a word of the time past he said not they do or shall remain to it but remained in the time past and over Thinks he we cannot understand words when we hear them But he intimates his crafty meaning in saying he never said that was already over and past a few line after When he saies What confusion would I charge upon them and is that a strange thing to find them in confusion as to say the coming of Christ at which the dead in him