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A83365	The Parliaments vindication of Iohn Pym Esquire from His Majesties exception against him. Occasioned from his speech delivered at a conference with both Houses Jan. 25. 1641 concerning licenses granted by His Majesties immediate warrant, to many of the chiefe commanders now in the head of the rebells in Ireland, for their transporting thither, since the ports were stopt by both Houses of Parliament, against all Irish papists. In which vindication are, 1. Mr. Pym his speech. 2. His Majesties message concerning his speech. 3. The Commons answer to the message. 4. His Majesties reply to the Commons answer. 5. The Commons answer to the reply. 6. His Majesties second reply. Ordered by the Commons House of Parliament, that Mr. Pym his speech, His Majesties message concerning his speech, the commons answer to the message, His Majesties reply to the Commons answer, the Commons answer to that reply, and His Majesties second reply, be forthwith printed together and published. H. Elsynge Cler. Parl. D. Com.	England and Wales. Parliament.; Pym, John, 1584-1643.	1643 (1643)	Wing E2152; Thomason E55_2; ESTC R22746	13,388	18

THE PARLIAMENTS VINDICATION OF IOHN PYM Esquire From his Majesties exception against Him Occasioned from his Speech delivered at a Conference with both Houses Jan. 25. 1641 concerning Licences granted by his Majesties immediate Warrant to many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebells in Ireland for their transporting thither since the Ports were stopt by both Houses of Parliament against all IRISH Papists In which Vindication are 1. Mr. Pym his Speech 2. His Majesties Message concerning his Speech 3. The Commons Answer to the Message 4. His Majesties Reply to the Commons Answer 5. The Commons Answer to the Reply 6. His Majesties second Reply Ordered by the Commons House of Parliament that Mr. Pym his Speech His Majesties Message concerning his Speech The Commons answer to the Message His Majesties Reply to the Commons Answer The Commons answer to that Reply And His Majesties second Reply be forthwith Printed together and Published H. Elsynge Cler. Parl. D. Com. LONDON Printed for John Bull 1643. January 25. 1641. At a Conference betwixt both HOUSES concerning divers Petitions presented to the House of Commons Mr. PYM appointed to manage that Conference My Lords I Am commanded by the Knights Citizens and Burgesses assembled for the Commons in Parliament to present to your Lordships divers Petitions which they have received from severall parts concerning the state of the Kingdome whereunto they are chiefly moved by that constant affection which they have alwayes exprest of maintaining a firm union and good correspondence with your Lordships wherein they have ever found much advantage and contentment but never held it more important and necessary then at this time vvherein the wisdome and resolution of Parliament have as many great dangers and difficulties to passe through as ever heretofore We are united in the publique trust vvhich is derived from the Common-wealth in the common dutie and obligation vvhereby God doth bind us to the discharge of that trust and the Commons desire to impart to your Lordships vvhatsoever Information or Intelligence vvhatsoever Incouragement or Assistance they have received from those severall Countries vvhich they represent that so likewise vve may be united in the same intentions and endeavours of improving all to the service of his Majesty and the common good of the Kingdome The Petitions vvhich I am directed to communicate to your Lordships are foure from London Middlesex Essex and Hertfordshire We have received many more but it vvould take up too much time and be too great a trouble to peruse all and in these foure you may perceive the effect and sense of all First I am to desire your Lordships to heare them read and then I shall persue my Instructions in propounding some Observations out of them The Petitions being read by foure Members of the House Mr. Pym resumed his discourse My Lords IN these foure Petitions you may heare the voice or rather the cry of all England and you cannot wonder if the urgencie the extremitie of the condition wherin we are do produce some earnestnesse and vehemencie of expression more then ordinarie the agonie terror and perplexitie in which the Kingdome labours is universall all parts are aff●cted with it and therefore in these you may observe the groanes and miserable complaints of all Divers reasons may be given why those diseases which are Epidemicall are more dangerous then others 1. The Cause of such diseases is universall and supernall not from an evill constitution or evill diet or any other accident and such causes work with more vigour and efficacie then those which are particular and inferiour 2. In such diseases there is a communicative qualitie whereby the malignitie of them is multiplied and enforced 3. They have a converting transforming power that turns other diseases and evill affections of mens bodies into their owne nature The common and Epidemicall disease wherein this Common-wealth lies now gasping hath a superior and universall cause from the evill Counsells and designes of those who under his Majestie bear the greatest sway in Government 2. It hath a contagious and infectious qualitie whereby it is diffused and dispersed through all parts of the Kingdome 3. It is apt to take in the discontents evill affections and designes of particular persons to increase and fortifie it selfe I shall take occ●sion from severall branches of those Petitions which your Lordships have heard to observe 1. The varietie of Dangers to which this Kingdome is now subject 2. The manifold distempers which is the cause of those dangers 3 The Multiplicitie of those evill Influences which are the Causes of that distemper The first Danger is from enemies abroad this may seem a causelesse and impertinent observation at this time seeing we are in peace with all Nations about us But my Lords you may be pleased to consider that the safetie of the Kingdome ought not to depend upon the will and disposition of our Neighbours but upon our own strength and Provision Betwixt States there are often sudden changes from peace to warre according to occasion and advantage All the States of Christendome are now Armd and we have no reason to believe but that those of greatest power have an evill eye upon us in respect of our Religion and if their private Differences should be composed how dangerously how speedily might those great armies and other preparations now ready be applyed to some enterprise and attempt against us if there were no other cause this were sufficient to make us stand upon our Guard but there are divers more especiall symptomes of dangers of this kind We may perceive by severall Advertisements from abroad that they did foresee our Dangers many Moneths before they broke out they could foretell the Time and Manner of them which is a cleare evidence they held intelligence with those which were the contrivers and workers of the present troubles We may have dangerous Traitors and Fugitives now in other parts who can discover the weaknesse and distemper of the Kingdome who hold Intelligence with the ill affected party here and by all cunning and subtle practices endeavour to incite and provoke other Princes against us Some of the Ministers of our neighbour Princes may be justly suspected to have had a more immediate hand and operation in the Insurrection and Rebellion of Ireland many of the Commanders and most of the Souldiers levied for the service of Spain are now joyned with the Rebels there and those Irish Friars which were imployed by the Spanish Ambassadour for the making of those Levies are known to have been chief Incendiaries to this Rebellion and are still very active in the prosecution and incouragement of it The Rebels have a ready and speedy supply from some of our Neighbours Two Convoyes of Munition and Armes we are certainly informed of one from Dunkirke the other from Nantes in Britanie and certainly those that are so forward to enable others to hurt us will not forbeare to hurt us themselves assoon as they shall

have meanes and opportunity to doe it Another Danger is from the Papists and ill-affected parties at home The Papists here are acted by the same principles with those in Ireland many of the most active of them have lately been there which argues an intercourse and Communication of Counsels They have still store of Armes and Munition at their disposing notwithstanding all our endeavours to disarme them they have a free resort to the City and to the Court they want no opportunities to consult together they have the same or greater Incouragements from above and from about them then ever in respect of the example and successe of the Rebels in Ireland and the great confusions and divisions which by their cunning and subtile practises are raised and fomented amongst our selves at home 3. A third danger is of Tumults and Insurrections of the meaner sort of people by reason of their ill vent of cloth and other Manufactures whereby great multitudes are set on work who live for the most part by their daily gettings and will in a short time be brought to great extremitie if not imployed Nothing is more sharp and pressing then necessity and want what they cannot buy they will take and from them the like necessitie will quickly be derived to the Farmours and Husbandmen and so grow higher and involve all in an equalitie of misery and distresse if it be not p●evented And at this time such tumults will be dangerous because the Kingdom is full of disbanded Souldiers and Officers which will be ready to head and to animate the Multitude to commit Violence with more strength and advantage and if they once grow into a body it will be much more difficult to reduce them into Order againe because necessity and want which are the causes of this disturbance will still increase as the effects doe increase A fourth danger is from the Rebells in Ireland not onely in respect of that Kingdome but in respect of this They have seazed upon the Body of that Kingdome already they abound in men of very able bodies they increase in Armes and Munition they have great hopes of supplies from abroad of incouragement here and are sure of good entertainment from the Popish Party so that they begin to speak already of the transporting themselves hither and making this Kingdome the seat of the Warre The Distemper which hath produced these Dangers is various and exceeding violent Whensoever nature is hindered in her proper operations and faculties distempers will necessarily follow The obstructions which have brought us into this distemper are very many so that we cannot wonder at the strength and malignity of it Some of the chiefest of these obstructions I shall endeavour to remember 1. The obstruction of Reformation in matters of Religion no Grievances are sharper than those that presse upon the tender consciences of men and there was never Church or State afflicted with more Grievances of this kind then we have been And though they are by the wisedome of this Parliament partly eased and diminished yet many still remaine and as long as the Bishops and the corrupt part of the Clergy continue in their Power there will be little hope of Freedome either from the sence of those which continue or the feare of those which are removed And of this obstruction my Lords I must cleare the Commons we are in no part guilty of it some good Bills have past us and others are in preparation which might have been past before this if we had not found such ill successe in the other Whatsoever mischiefe this obstruction shall produce we are free from it we may have our part of the Misery wee can have no part in the guilt or dishonour 2. The obstruction in Trade it is the Trade that brings food and nourishment to the Kingdome It is that which preserves and increaseth the stock of the whole and distributes a convenient Portion of maintenance to every part of it therefore such an obstruction as this must needs be dangerous the Freedome of Trade being so necessary the benefit so important as that it gives life strength and beauty to the whole body of the Common-wealth but I must protest the House of Commons hath given no cause to this Obstruction wee have eas'd Trade of many Burdens and heavie Taxes which are taken off we have freed it from many hard restraints by Pattents and Monopolies wee have been willing to part with our owne Priviledges to give it Incouragement we have sought to put the Merchants into Security and confidence in respect of the Tower of London that so they might be invited to bring in their Bullion to the Mint as heretofore they have done and we are no way guilty of the troubles the feares and publique dangers which make men withdraw their Stocks and to keep their Money by them to be ready for such sodain Exigents as in these great distractions we have too much cause to expect 3. The obstruction in the reliefe of Ireland It must needs bee accompted a great shame and dishonour to this Kingdome that our neighbours have shewed themselves more forward to supply the Rebells then we have bin to relieve our distressed brethren and fellow Subjects But I must declare that the House of Commons is altogether innocent of any neglect herein As soon as the first newes of the Rebellion came over we undertooke the Warre not by way of Supply and aide as in former Rebellions the Subjects have used to doe but we undertooke the whole charge of it and wee suffered not 24. houres to passe before we agreed to a great Levie of Money and Men to bee imployed against the Rebells even in a larger proportion then the Lord Justices and Councell there did desire and from time to time we have done all for the furtherance thereof though in the midst of many distractions and diversions but the want of Commissions for levying Men for issuing Armes and divers other Impediments have been the causes of that obstruction and I wish we had not onely found impediments to our selves but also incouragements to them Many of the chiefe Commanders now in the Head of the Rebells after we had with your Lordships concurrence stopt the Ports against all Irish Papists have been suffered to passe by his Majesties immediate Warrant much to the discouragement of the Lord Justices and the Counsell there and this procured as we beleive by some evill Instruments too neere his Regall person without his Majesties knowledge and intention 4 The obstruction in prosecution of Delinquents many we have already brought up to your Lordships divers others wee have been discouraged to transmit such difficult proceedings have we met withall such terrours and discountenance have been cast upon our selves and our witnesses those who have shewed themselves their friends and Patrons have found it the most ready way to preferment yea his Majesties owne hand hath been obtained his Majesties Ships imployed for the transporting of divers

sense of the House And touching that passage wherein it is affirmed that since the stop upon the Ports against all Irish Papists by both Houses many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebels have been suffered to passe by your Majesties immediate Warrant They present your Maiesty with this their humble Answer That they have received divers advertisements concerning the severall persons Irish Papists and others which have obtained your Majesties immediate Warrants for their passing into Ireland since the Order of Restraint of both Houses some of which as they have been informed since their comming into Ireland have joyned with the Rebells and been Commanders amongst them some others have been staid and are yet in safe Custody particularly the Lord Delvin and foure other persons in his company whereof one is thought to be a Priest One Colonell Butler Brother to the Lord Minyart now in Rebellion and Sir George Hamilton all which are Papists And one other as is reported being Son of the Lord Mettersfield whose Father and Brother are both in Reb●llion The particular names of others wee have not yet received but doubt not but upon examination they may be discovered And your Majesties most faithfull Subjects are very sorry that the extreame caution which your Majestie hath used hath been so ill seconded with the dilligence and faithfulnesse of your Mininisters and that your Royall Authority should be so highly abused Although as it was expressed in that Speech by Master Pym we believe it was by the procurement of some evill Instruments too neer your Royall Person without your Majesties knowledge and intention And wee beseech your Majestie to take such course That not onely your Honour may be vindicated for the time passed but your Kingdome may be secured from the like mischiefe for the time to come His Majesties Reply to the House of Commons Answer Concerning Licences granted by the King to persons to goe into IRELAND AS His Majesty hath expressed a great desire to give His House of Commons all possible satisfaction to all their just Requests and a readinesse to rectifie or retract any thing done by Himselfe which might seem to trench upon their Priviledges by any mistake of His so he doubts not they will be ready upon all occasions to manifest an equall tendernes and regard of His Majesties Honour and Reputation with His good Subjects and therefore His Majestie expects they should review His Message of the seventh of this Moneth concerning a passage in Mastes Pyms Speech and their Answer sent to his Majestie by some of their Members on the tenth of the same with which His Maiestie can by no meanes rest satisfied His Maiesties Exception in that Message was That it was affirmed in that Speech That since the stop upon the Ports against all Irish Papists by both Houses many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebells have been suffered to passe by His Maiesties immediate Warrant To this the Answer is THat the Speech mentioned in that Message to be delivered by master Pym was printed by their Order and that what was therein delivered was agreeable to the sense of the House that they have received divers Advertisements concerning severall persons Irish Papists and others who have obtained His Majesties immediate Warrant for their passing into Ireland since the Order of Restraint of both Houses some of which they have been informed since their comming into Ireland have joyned with the Rebels and been Commanders amongst them His Majesty is most assured no such person hath passed by His Warrant or Privity and then he desires His House of Commons to consider whether such a generall Information and Advertisement in which there is not so much as the name of any particular person mentioned be ground enough for such a direct and positive Affirmation as is made in that Speech which in respect of the place and Person and being now acknowledged to be agreeable to the sense of the House is of that authority that his Majesty may suffer in the affections of many of His good Subjects and fall under a possible construction considering many scandalous pamphlets to such a purpose of not being sensible enough of that Rebellion so horrid and odious to all Christians by which in this distraction such a danger might possibly ensue to His Majesties Person and Estate as he is well assured His House of Commons will use their utmost endeavours to prevent And therefore His Majesty thinks it very necessary and expects that they name those persons who by His Majesties Licence have passed into Ireland and are now there in the head of the Rebels Or that if upon their re-examination they doe not finde particular Evidence to prove that Assertion as His Majesty is confident they never can as this Affirmation which may reflect upon His Majesty is very publike so they will publish such a Declaration whereby that mistake may be discovered His Majesty being the more tender in that particular which hath reference to Ireland as being most assured that He hath been and is from His Soule resolved to discharge His Duty which God will require at His hands for the reliefe of His poore Protestant Subjects there and the utter rooting out that Rebellion So that Service hath not suffered any but necessary delayes by any act of His Majesties for the want of any thing proposed to His Majesty or within His Majesties power to doe For the persons named in the Answer His Majesty saith that Colonell Butler and the son of the Lord Nettersfield obtained His Warrants for their passage into Ireland at His Majesties being in Scotland which was long as His Majesty thinks before the Order of both Houses His Majesty knowing the former of them to be one who hath alwayes made Professions to His Service and to be Uncle to the Earle of Ormond of whose affection to the Protestant Religion and His Majesties Service His Majesty hath great cause to be assured And the latter being a person of whom at that time there was no suspicion to His Majesties knowledge For the other it may be they have obtained Warrants from his Majesty since the said Order but his Majesty assures the Parliament that he had no intimation of such an Order till after stay made of Sir George Hamilton who was the last that had any Licence from his Matie to passe for Ireland And His Majesty having since this Answer from the House of Commons used all possible means by the examining His own Memory and the Notes of His Secretaries to finde what Warrants have beene granted by Him and to what persons doth not finde That He hath granted any to any Irish but those who are named by the House of Commons and in December last to the Earle of Saint Albans and to two of his servants and to one Walter Terrel a poore man they being such as His Majesty is assured are not with the Rebels and much lesse chiefe Commanders

over them And though it may be the Persons named by the House of Commons are Papists yet His Majesty at that time thought it not fit in respect of their Alliance in that Kingdome to such Persons of great power of whom His Majesty hoped well to discover any suspition of them the Lords Justices having declared by their Letters which Letters were not disapproved of by the Parliament here that they were so far from owning a publike jealousie of all Papists there that they had thought fit to put Armes into the hands of divers Noble men of the Pale of that Religion who made Professions to His Majesties Service and desired the same And since so great a trust reposed in some of the Lords of that Religion was not disapproved by the Parliament here His Majesty could not imagine it unsafe or unfit for Him to give Licences to some few to passe into that Kingdome who though Papists professed due Allegiance and Loyalty to His Majesty And therefore unlesse the first Affirmation of the House of Commons can be made good by some particulars His Majesty doth not know that His Ministers have failed in their diligence and faithfulnesse to His Majesty in this point or that His honour hath suffered so much by any Act of His owne as that it needs be vindicated for the time past by any other way then such a Declaration which He expects from this House as in Duty and Justice due to His Majesty The Answer of both Houses of Parliament to the Kings Message Sent to his most excellent Majesty March 16. 1641. May it please your Majesty YOur Majesties most humble and faithfull Subjects the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament having considered Your Majesties Reply to their Answer touching such Persons as have been licensed by your Majesty to passe into Ireland doe most humbly beseech your Majesty to believe that they shall alwayes with thankfulnesse and joy receive from your Majesty any satisfactory Answer to their just requests And as they hope they shall finde in your Majesty a readinesse to rectifie those things which have been done to their prejudice so will they bee carefull to remove all apprehensions of their actions or speeches which may seeme to cast any dishonour upon your Majesty For your Majesties better satisfaction concerning the positive affirmation that many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebells after the Ports were stopped by order of both Houses have been suffered to passe by your Majesties immediate Warrant May it please your Majesty to consider that herein they have affirmed nothing but what they had cause to believe was true the grounds whereof they most humbly present to your Majesty The first ground is this that both Houses of Parliament having upon your Majesties commendation taken into their care the suppression of the Rebellion of Ireland had reason to be especially watchfull over the Ports because the Rebells abounding in numbers of men for the most part ignorant of the use of their Armes could by no meanes become dangerous or formidable to this Kingdome but by the accesse of Souldiers and Commanders wherewith they were like to be furnished either out of France or Flanders from both which places the passage into Ireland is speedy and easie through this Kingdome and thereof they could not choose but bee very sensible of whatsoever gave liberty or opportunity to such a passage as of a very hurtfull and dangerous grievance for prevention whereof they did upon the 7. of Novembeer agree upon an Order and restraine all passage into Ireland but upon due and strict examination by such persons as were trusted to make those Licences A second ground that the other Licence granted to the Lord Delvin and then acknowledged by your Majesties Answer were such both in regard of the persons to whom they were granted and the extent of the words in which they were granted as were apt to produce such an effect as is mentioned in that positive affirmation that is to open a way for the passage of Papists and other dangerous persons to joyne with the Rebells and to bee Heads and Commanders amongst them which is thus proved The Waarrant granted to Colonell Butler since the order of restraint by both Houses of Parliament did extend to all Ports of England and Scotland and did give free passage to himselfe and to his Company without any qualification of persons or limitation of number and this Colonell was himselfe a Papist had a brother in Rebellion and Generall of the Rebells in M●●ster was expected and very much desired by those Rebells who for a long time kept a Regiment to be commanded by him as we have been credibly informed The second was granted to a sonne of the Lord Nettersfield which Lord had foure sonnes in England since the Rebellion one of which is setled in England three others intended to passe into Ireland and were all dangerous persons being Papists bred in the warres in the service of the King of Spayne and one of them lately become a Jesuite The third to the Lord Delvin extends to himselfe and foure persons more unnamed that one of those who should have past with him is taken to be a Jesuit and another who calls himselfe Ploncket seems to bee a man of some breeding and quality and like to have been serviceable to the Rebells and to have done mischiefe if he had gone over The fourth to Sir George Hamelton and three others unnamed this Gentleman is likewise a profest Papist and may be doubted to be of the party of the Rebells one of that name being mentioned in the instructions of Sempill the Jesuit amongst divers other dangerous persons of the Popish party in Scotland and Ireland which instructions were found in a ship stayed in Cornwall which was going into Ireland with divers Jesuits Souldiers and others for the incouragement of the Rebells A third ground is this That by vertue and authority of these Licences severall persons have passed over which are now in actuall rebellion and joyned with the Rebells and some have commanded amongst them which is thus proved One Captain Sutton did by vertue and authority of your Majesties Licence imbarque at White-haven in the Company of Colonell Butler and was driven back by foule weather whereupon the Colonell stayed and went to Chester but that Captain reimbarqued himselfe in the same Bottome and passed into Ireland where he went into Rebellion with the Lord Dunsany and hath since obtained the place of a Colonell amongst the Rebells as we are very credibly informed Two of the sonnes of the Lord Nettersfield one a Jesuite and the other a Souldier passed into Ireland in December last both of them by vertue of your Majesties warrant as we have cause to beleive for that they went both together in one ship and the Licence acknowledged to be granted by your warrant must needs be granted to one of them seeing the other brother who