Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	lord_n	see_v	time_n	3,269	5	3.4669	3	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A69753	The generall demands, of the reverend doctors of divinitie, and ministers of the Gospell in Aberdene, concerning the late covenant, in Scotland together, with the answeres, replyes, and duplyes that followed thereupon, in the year, 1638 : reprinted in one book, by order of Parliament.	Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646.	1663 (1663)	Wing C4226; Wing C4225; ESTC R6298	125,063	170

joine with us in subsc●iving are not yet answered for first a sound interpretation of the Covenant although proceeding from a private person and altogether voide of externall Authority can not make a substantiall difference and if the interpretation be unsound although it were confirmed by Authority it maketh not a substantiall coincidence 2. Why is it denyed that the former Covenant containeth mutuall defence since all are obliedged thereby to de●end Religion according to their vocation and power and the KINGS person and Authority which can not possiblie be done without mutuall defence and since that clause of the Covenant is so expounded and applied upon grounds of perpetual reason in the general Band drawn up Printed by Authority An. 1590. 3. Ye must either prove this Covenant to be substantially different from the former which is impossible or ye must acknowledge this to have the same Authority with the former since we are really obliedged in the former Covenant and virtually the same warrand of KING Counsell and assemblie remaineth and was never yet discharged by vertue whereof the Covenant might have beene renewed yearly by all the subjects of the Kingdome no lesse then it hath beene subscrived yearly by such as passe degrees in Colledges and such as were suspect of Papistrie from time to time 4. What was done by his Majesties Commissioner was no● done in a corner that it needeth to be pryed into or doubted of and what was allowed by his Grace who had so great power from his Majesty to declare his Majesties will and to receive Declarations from his subjects and who was in every poynt so zealous and tender of his Majesties service and honour who are ye that it should be dissallowed by you Ye will have the Kingdome guilty of combination against Authority and will not have the KING to be satisfied when they have declared themselves to the contrary and their Declaration is accepted by his Majesties Commissioner This manner of dealing is more sutable to Papists and such Incendaries then for you who desire to prove good Patriots in using all means of Pacification 5. We are sory that ye should be the first who have accounted our Covenant to be a confederacie against the Trueth since some of your selves and all every where have been constrained to acknowledge that they aime ●t the same end with us to maintaine the Trueth And for that which displeaseth you in our way that we deale after such a manner with people to come in we answere that we have seen in this Land the Day of the LORDS Power wherein his people have most willingly offered themselves in multitudes like the dew of the morning that others of no small Note have offered their subscriptions and have been refused till tyme should try that they joine in sincerity from love to the cause and not from the feare of men and that no threatnings have been used except of the deserved judgement of GOD nor force except the force of reason from the high respects which we owe to Religion to our KING to our native Countrey to our selves and to the Posterity which hath been to some a greater constraint then any externall violence and we wish may prevaile also with you To the Second VVEE perceive that ye passe in silence that which we answered concerning the preventing of trouble which by all appearance had been too sensible to many before this time if the Conventions censured by you had not been kept we desire that ye would here declare your selves whether ye would have rather received the Service Booke Booke of Canons and other trash of that kind tending to the subversion of Religion and to the prejudice of the Liberties of the Kingdom then to have conveened in a peaceable manner to present Supplications to his Majestie for averting of so great evils Neither doe ye speak a word of the saying of K. Iames which ought to be regarded both for the witnesse sake who is of so great authority and for the testimony which containeth so great reason For shall not the whole body of a Kingdom stirre pro aris focis or shall our Religion be ruined and our Light be put out and all men holde their peace We told you also that the first part of the Act of Parliament 1585 is relative to another Act in Queen Maries time which specifieth what sort of Leagues and Bands are forbidden and setteth us free from the breach of the Act but yee have answered nothing to this and still dispute from the Act of Parliament rather then from other grounds better beseeming your Profession and ours and in this will so precisely adhere to the letter of the Law that you will have no meetings without the KINGS consent even in the case of the preservation of Religion of his Majesties Authority and of the liberties of the Kingdome which we are sure must be contrary to the reason and life of the Law since the safetie of the People is the Soveraigne Law Although it be true also that for our Covenant we have the consent of Authority pressing upon all the subjects in the generall Band and confession of Faith formerly subscrived for maintenance of the Religion their subscription and Oath as a note of their soundnesse in Religion and of their loyaltie and fidelitie to the KING and his Crown wherein Iurisconsults more skilled in this kinde then we need to be have given their Responses and Verdicts in favours of us and of our cause 2. The poynt touching Authority is so full of Thornes and Rockes useth to be so vehemently urged to procure envye against the Gospell of CHRIST and can so hardly be disputed and discussed except in a large Treatise to the satisfaction of Kings and Kingdomes and all having interest that for the present we only wish you to heare the testimonies of two grave Divynes the one is Whittaker in his Answere to Master Reynolds preface pag. 6. Stirres and Tumults for matter of Religion Reynold rehearseth that hath been in Germanie France Bohemia as though it were sufficient for their condemnation that they once resisted and did not by and by admit whatsover violence was offered either to GODS Trueth or to themselves contrary to Promise to Oath to publicke Edicts to Law whereby they were warranded to doe as they did more of this matter will I not answere being of another nature and cleared long since from the cryme of Rebellion not only by just defence of their doeing but also by the Proclamations and Edicts of Princes themselves The other is Bilson in his Booke of Christian subjecton in defence of the Protestants in other Countreys against the objection of the Iesuit Pag. 332. affirming that subjects may defend their ancient and Christian liberties covenanted and agreed upon by those Princes to whom they first submitted themselves and were ever since confirmed and allowed by the Kings that have succeeded they may requyre their own right save their own lives beseech that

be seen of all her lovers Concerning your confidence of us as we in love judge that ye thinke not your selves ●o be stryving against the Trueth so may ye conceive that we can no more bee brought to your mynde then wee can bee drawne from the profession of our Religion as it hath been reformed sworne and confirmed by the late and preceeding Covenants and from following the example of our religious Reformers and the manie Worthies succeeding them in this Kirke who would have been glad to have seen the dayes which we now doe see and for which we pray that both yee and wee may be thankefull so shall it not be imputed unto us that we have not discerned and used the day of the LORDS visitation so shall we all rejoice together in the Day of the LORD To the First Replye YOur experience in your Disputes against the common Adversary wherein ye say ye are so frequent hath no doubt taught you how easie a matter it is to multiply Objections against the Trueth and Cause of GOD and your selves knowe that your Objection against our Calling and the Warrand of our comming to you was framed and published in Print before it was propounded unto us and ere our Answere could be had but so soone as we did heare your Demands we answered incontinent in the humilitie and trueth of our mindes that we were to obtrude nothing upon you or your flock by any particular Authority Civill or Ecclesiasticke but that we did come in all meeknesse to represent unto you the present case of this Kirke and in love to intreat you to joine with us for the peace thereof for which we trust without wronging any lawfull Authority we may claim the warrand of the highest and greatest Authority although we had not been sent from almost the whole Kirke and Kingdom lawfully conveened at this time for the preservation of Religion and of the Liberties and Lawes of this Kingdom so sore shaken by the usurpation of the Prelates and their Favourers Let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works c. sayeth the Apostle Hebr. 10. 24. And where ye object that without your leave we preached within your congregation which is aggravated by you as a heinous fault both against Scripture and against the Canons of ancient Counsels which ye have laboriously quoted against us we intreat you to be more sparing lest the guiltinesse if there be any reflex upon your selves For your Pulpits and Kirks being denyed us not from any injurie done by us but by your own determination before our comming a necessity was laid upon us to deliver our message in such places as your courtesie did permit wherein no man will find that we have failed if he consider first That there is as wyde difference betwixt Ecclesia turbata pa●ata the troubled and peaceable estate of a Kirk as is betwixt Ecclesia constituenda constituta and many things are necessary in the one which perhaps are not expedient in the other Ye speake of the Constitution of the Kirke this yeare as if ye had beene speaking thereof many yeares before this time 2. That the Word of GOD and the Canons of Counsels will have Pastors so to care for their owne flockes that they forbid them not to care for the whole Kirke especially in the time of a common Combustion When the house is on fire every man ought to runne to all rowms where hee may quench it when a laik stricketh up in a Ship every Mariner yea every Passenger ought to labour to stop it Even he who is not universall Pastor of the Kirke is Pastor of the universall Kirke the Apostle hath taught us That we are members one of another Rom. 12. 4. As all the members of one bodie being many are one body so also is CHRIST 1 Cor. 12. 12. That the members should have the same care one for another vers 25. If some members of this Kirk had not cared more kindly in this time of cōmon danger then other some have done the whole body had been ere now dangerously if not desparatly diseased 3. That we made choise of such houres for delivering our Message that the people might attend your ordinary times of publick worship which maketh your charge of the peoples contempt or ours of your Ministery to be most unjust In the second part of your Replye to our Answere to your first Demand ye might have made choise of words witnessing more respect to the most part of the Kingdom now ' and to the Kirke in former times then of a Confederation and negative Confession we know no other Confederation at this time but this same Laudable Covenant which our Progenitors and many yet living made with GOD and amongst themselves at the Commandement of Authority and according to the example of the people of GOD in former times Neither is that short Confession meerly Negative since the beginning thereof is affirmative and doeth virtually containe the first large Confession ratisied in Parliament 1567. 2. No Pastors in our knowledge have either been forced to flee to foraigne countreys or have been threatned with the want of their Stipends for the refusing their Subscription but this we have heard that some of them have of their owne accord gone to Court for procuring of protections against their Creditors and against the Lawes and duety of good Subjects have made lies between the KING and his People Others we know have wilfully refused to abide with their flock and being earnestly intreated by them to attend their Charge have left them and have gone out of the Countrey for no reason but because the people had subscrived and as ye knowe that Arguments have been taken from augmentation of Stipends to hinder Subscription so ye may knowe That fear of worldly losse rather hindereth men to subscrive then scruple of Conscience The Prelates flight seemeth rather to have proceeded from inward furies of accusing Consciences or for fear of a storme which being procured by their owne doing may be easily prognosticated by them then from the inforcing of subscription of the Covenant which in our knowledge was never required of any of the Prelates although they be grossly guilty of the breach of the Covenant which they did sweare subscrive before 3. Your help by your prayers and other means for extinguishing of the present Combustion we still desire but with all intreat that you would both joyn with the rest of the Kirkes of the Kingdome in publicke humiliation and fasting which the LORD himselfe doeth proclaime and call for at this time so should your prayers be the more effectuall and also ye be good instruments according to your power with your own people and the countrey about to joine in the Covenant so should ye finde the worke of Pacification the more easie 4. The reasons which we touched in our Answere for proving that ye might without just offence to any

forgotten to many wise and ancient Pastors and Professors who did also finde an unwonted flame warming their own breasts the plots and workings of the Adversary have wrought against their own Projects and have served for our ends more then all that have been thought or done by our selves that we may justly say what they devised for evill the LORD hath turned to good many thousands conveened diverse times in one place have been keept in such order and quietnesse without the smallest trouble in such sobernesse and temperance without excesse or ryot that hardly can History furnish a Paralell and what effects there be already throughout the Land of Piety in Domesticke worship in observing the exercises of Religion in publick of soberness in dyet and apparell and of Righteousnesse and Concord we trust shall be sensible by the Blessings of GOD upon us and shall be examplary to the Posterity These we present unto you and unto all as a Commentary written by the LORDS own Hand wishing again that neither ye nor others be found fighting against GOD. Who so is wise and will observe these things even they shall understand the loving kindnesse of the LORD Psal. 107. 43. LORD when thy hand is lifted up they will not see but they shall see and be ashamed for their envy at the People Isai. 26. 11. Master ALEXANDER HENDERSON Minister at Leuchars Master DAVID DICKSON Minister at Irwin DUPLYES Of the MINISTERS and PROFESSORS of ABERDENE TO The second Answeres of some Reverend Brethren CONCERNING THE LATE COVENANT If thou take forth the precious from the vyle thou shalt be as my mouth Let them returne unto thee but returne not thou unto them JEREM. 15. 19. Honour all men love the Brotherhood feare GOD Honour the KING 1. Pet. 2. 17. To the Unpartiall READER IT may be you have not as yet heard the true relation of our proceedings and carriage towards those two reverend Brethren who came lately hither to recommend to us and our People the late Covenant We declare therefore to you that we hearing of their comming and intention and being of a contrary minde resolved that before we should give consent that they should preach to our people we would propone to them by way of certaine Demands the chiefe reasons which made us to be averse from their proceedings promising to admit them to our pulpits if they should give us satisfaction concerning the late Covenant We intended not to print these Demands at the first but afterwards considering how much our people might be confirmed by them in that pious resolution which they have to continue in the obedience of the Lawes of this Church and Kingdome concerning Episcopacy and those things which were concluded in Pearth Assembly we thought good to put them to the Presse but determined not to make use of them by divulgating them except we saw that our people stood in present need of them which indeed came to passe for upon Fryday the twenty of Iullie last these reverend Brethren came to this Town and having that same night received our Demands in writ they returned their Answeres unto them on Saturday following late in the evening but they came no● to our hands who replyed unto them untill Sunday in the morning Neither had we leasure to reade or consider untill both the Sermons were ended in our Churches Wherefore we did meet together that day at foure houres afternoone that we might peruse them And at that same time hearing that these reverend Brethren had preached in audience of dyverse of our people conveened in the court of a Noble-man his lodging not having obtained our consent thereto and in their Sermons had used a forme of answering to our Demandes which they did publickly reade affirming that they had given full satisfaction to us in a written copie of their Answeres which they had sent to us and by that means had laboured to disswade and draw our People from their obedience unto the Articles of Pearth and the Lawes of this Kingdome ratifying them we knowing how insufficient their Answeres were to give satisfaction to any who would duely ponder our Demands gave licence to the Printer to devulgate them and the next day did write our Replyes to their Answeres intending to put them to the Presse on tuesday But we were earnestly entreated by a noble Man to send backe to them the copie of their Answeres that they might revise and perfect them and also to delay the printing of our Replyes untill Fryday following Which we willingly granted But wherefore this was desired of us you may conjecture seeing they neither added nor diminished nor altered any thing in their Answeres Upon the next Friday at night we gave our Replyes to the Printer and to these reverend Brethren who returned not to this Citie untill Saturday following we sent a copie of our Replyes in write on the LORDS Day unto which we received not their Answeres untill they came from the Presse to wit on Tuesday the fourteenth of August that is eyghteene dayes after they had received our Replyes What successe these Brethren had in their Sermons which they preached here upon two severall LORDS Dayes it is sufficiently known neither have they reason to talke so much of it as they doe in their Preface to the Reader The first of these dayes some few who were thought to be that way inclined before subscryved their Covenant But the next LORDS Day they scarce prevailed with any at all And a great many who heard them both these dayes professed that they returned from their Sermons more averse from the Covenant then they were before Now good Reader we present to thee our Replyes to their second Answeres which for shortnesse cause we have called Duplyes we pray you consider them unpartially And if you reap any benefite by perusing them let it no● be ascrived unto us but to the invincible force of divine Trueth We conclude with Zer●babell saying Blessed be the GOD of Trueth And let all the People shout and say Great is Trueth and mighty above all thinges To our Reverend Brethren Mr. ALEXANDER HENDERSON And Mr. DAVID DICKSON THat your Answeres Reverend and Deare Brethren have not in any degree satisfied us we impute it not to your weaknesse whom we know to be able Men and much exercised in the matters debated betwixt us but we impute it to the weaknesse of your cause and to that inabilitie which is in all men as well as in you to beare out against the Trueth We are sory that ye are not so respective and favourable in your judgement of us for ye plainly declare in your Preface that ye suspect us of prejudice and that for two reasons The first is that our Demands which yee conceived had been meerely intended for you were published before your comming in Print as also that our REPLYES were Printed before we received your last Answeres to them When●e ye conclude that wee were rather aiming at victory moved

now we think them to be so necessary that although the generall Assembly of the Church should discharge them we behoved still to practise them We answere first that the Assembly of Pearth hath determined nothing of the indifferencie or necessity of these things Secondly If any who allowed these Articles did at that time in their discourses and speaches call them indifferent they meaned only that in the celebration of these Sacraments the circumstances of place and time are things indifferent of their own nature or which is all one that we are not so tyed to the administration of them in the Church and at tymes appointed for Sermon but we may celebrate them in private houses and at other times But judicious and learned men even then thought the denying of these Sacraments to persons who can not come or be brought to the Church to be a restraining of the means of grace altogether unwarrandable by GODS word Whence ye may collect whether or not they thought it to be unlawfull Thirdly Ye have no warrand from our Reply to say that we would not abstaine from private Baptisme and Communion although our nationall Assembly should discharge them For as we are very unwilling to omit any necessary duety of our Calling so we cary a singular respect to lawfull Authority and to the Peace and Unity of the Church abhorring Schisme as the very Pest of the Church But of this we shall speak hereafter in the thirteenth Duply 53 Next ye say if we have the same judgement of kneeling in the receiving of the Communion and of Feastivall dayes it commeth to passe among us which hath been incident to the Church in former ages that things have been first brought in as indifferent then urged as necessary Certainly Brethren none are so guilty of this as your selves and your associates for ye have now made some things to be esteemed necessary by your followers which have been accounted indifferent not only since the Reformation but these fifteene hundreth years bygone And in some other things which the ancient Church did wisely forbid ye doe now make the Liberty of the Gospel to consist As for us we stand as we stood before and doe yet think kneeling in the receiving of the Sacrament and the five Festivall dayes to be Rites indifferent in their own nature but indeed very profitable and edificative if Pastors would doe their duety in making their people sensible of the lawfulness expediency of them 54. We are of the same judgement concerning Confirmation which Calvin writting upon Hebr. 6. 2. acknowledgeth To have been undoubtedly delivered to the Church by the Apostles and with the same Author in the fourth book of his Institut Cap. 19 § 14. we wish that the use of it were again restored so far are we from that partiall dealing with the Articles of Pearth which ye object unto us What hath moved our most reverend Prelats to abstain hither●o from the practising of it we know not they can themselves best satisfie you in this point And we modestly judge that this omission hath proceeded from weighty and regardable causes It was sufficient for us to have a care of our own dueties in our particular stations But the urging and pressing of that practise upon the Bishops requireth higher Authority then ours In the mean time ye know the Bishops never disclaimed the Authority of the act of Pearth concerning Confirmation or of any other of these Acts as ye have done who have been hitherto professed and avowed disobeyers of them all Wherefore we wish you hereafter not to bring this omission of the Bishops in the matter of Confirmation as an Argument for that forbearance of Pearth Articles which ye require of us for there is a great difference betwixt the omission of a duety commanded by a Law and an avowed or professed yea sworne disobedience of the Law 55. Last of all whereas ye say that we by mantaining the necessity of private Baptisme and Communion doe condemne the practise of this our Church from the Reformation till Pearth Assembly and put no small guiltinesse upon other reformed Churches who use not private Baptism and Communion at all but abstain from them as dangerous we answere that we have in all modesty proponed our own judgement concerning private Baptism and private Cōmunion nominem judica●tes as Cyprian said of old in consilio Carthag in praefat nor taking upon us to censure or condemne the practise either of this Church in times preceeding Pearth Assembly or of other reformed Churches We can not indeed deny but we dissent from them and if this be a condemning of them we may no lesse justly say to you that you condemne the practise and doctrine not onely of our Reformers in the particulars mentioned before in this same Duply but also of diverse reformed Churches and of the ancient Church as we declared in our sixt Demand and shall again speak of it in our sixt Duply A Defence of our Doctrine and Practise concerning the Celebration of Baptism and the LORDS Supper in private places 56. Ye desire us wisely to consider whether the desire which our people have of Baptism and Communion in time of sicknesse be not occasioned by prevailing of Popery and through a superstitious conceit that people have of these Sacraments as necessary to Salvatiō We are loath to come short of you in dueties of charity especially in good wishes and therefore we likewise wish you wisely to consider whether the neglect of these Sacraments in the time of sicknesse which is in many parts of the Kingdom proceed not from some want of a sufficient knowledge and due esteem of the fruits of these high and Heavenly Mysteries 57. It is well that ye acknowledge that we minister these Sacraments in private as necessary onely by the necessity of the Cōmandement of GOD but withall ye conceive that our people imagine or seem to imagine them to be so necessary means as that God hath tyed his grace to them We desire you to judge charitably of those who are unknown to you and withall we declare that neither we doe teach our People nor doe they think for ought we did ever know that Baptism is so necessary a mean unto Salvation that without it GOD can not or will not saye any yea on the contrary we are confident that when Baptism is earnestly sought for or unfeignedly desired and yet can not be had the Prayers of the Parents and of the Church are accepted by GOD in stead of the ordinary mean the use whereof is hindred by unavoidable necessity and so in this we depart from the rigid tenet of Papists On the other part we likewise teach and accordingly our People learn that Baptism is the ordinary mean of our enterance into the Church and of our Regeneration to the use whereof GOD by his Commandement hath tyed us 58. If the commandement of our Saviour Matth. 28. 19. Goe ye therefore and teach all

Souls of the guiltinesse of it The XII DUPLY. TO justifie or excuse your omission of publick disallowing and condemning the publick disorders and miscarriages of some who have subscrived the Covenant especially the offering of violence to Prelats and Ministers in time of divine Service and in the House GOD whereof we spake in our twelfth Demand and Reply ye answer first that ye acknowledge not the Service-Book for the LORDS Service Ye might say the same of any Service Book If ye allow the Reasons lately set forth in Print against the Service-Book for there a Prescript form of Prayer is condemned which directly crosseth the practise of the universall Church of CHRIST Ancient and Recent 2. Ye alleadge that ye acknowledge not the usurped Authority of Prelats for lawfull Authority For ought we can perceive by the Doctrins of those with whome ye joine ye acknowledge no lawfull Authority at all in Prelats above your selves and other Ministers and ye seem so to insinuate so much here by blaming us for calling them Reverend and holy Fathers We are perswaded of the lawfulnesse of their Office and therefore are not ashamed with Scripture and Godly Antiquity to call such as are advanced to this sacred Dignity Fathers and Reverend Fathers Neither should personall faults alleadged by you hinder our observance till what is alleadged be clearly proven For so long as things are doubtfull we should interpret to the better part Luke 6 37. And it is a rule of Law that in a doubtfull case the state of a Possessor is best and consequently of him that hither-to hath been in a possession of a good name as also that in things doubtfull we should rather favour the person accused then him that accuseth 3. If ye be of this same judgement with us concerning the lawfulnesse of their Office why doe ye not reverence them as well as we But if their very Office seem to you unlawfull we esteem your judgement contrary to holy Scripture to all sound Antiquity and to the best learned amongst reformed Divines Hear what Melanchton sayeth I would to GOD I would to GOD it lay in me not to confirm the Dominion but to restore the Government of Bishops for I see what manner of Policy we shall have the Ecclesiasticall Policie being dissolved I doe see that hereafter will grow up a greater tyrannie in the Church then ever was before And again in another Epistle to Camerarius he sayeth You will not beleeve how much I am hated by those of Noricum and by others for the restoring of Iuridiction to Bishops So our Companions fight for their own Kingdom and not for the Kingdom of CHRIST So in other places See Bucer de Regno CHRISTI Pag. 67. 4. Thirdly Ye alleadge the zeal of the People by reason whereof ye say that it was nothing strange that in such a case they were stirred up to oppose Suppone they had opposed yet that they should have so opposed as to have offered violence to sacred Persons Prelats or Ministers who are spirituall Fathers seemeth to us very strange for all that hitherto ye have said There is no zeal without the extraordinary instinct of GODS Spirit which can warrand men destitute of Authority to lay their hands on such persons Touch not mine anoynted and doe my Prophets no harme sayeth the LORD Psal. 105. Let all things be done decently and in order sayeth S. Paul 1. Cor. 14. 40. GOD is not the author of confusion or timult but of peace sayeth that same Apostle there verse 33. To this purpose Gregorie Nazianzen in his 26 Oration speaking of the chief causes of division in the Church sayeth One of them is unrulie ferventness without reason and knowledge and that another is Disorder and undecencie 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 5. The Sonne should account the person of his Father sacred ff de obsequiis Leg. 9. So we ought also to esteem of our spirituall Fathers and therefore to offer injury to their persons and that in time of divine Service must needs be a grievous sin In the Novell Constitutions of Iustinian Authent Collat. 9. Tit. 6. Novella 123. de Sanctiss Episcopis c. Cap 31. there is a remarkable Law to this purpose cited upon the Margine The like Law we find in Cod. Iustin. Lib. 1. Tit. 3. de Episcop Clericis Leg. 10. Now although in these imperiall Lawes the sanction be severe yet we wish no such severity to be used amongst us but praying GOD to forgive them who have transgressed We desire them to consider that anciently amongst Christians such doings were greatly disallowed 6. Chrysostom speaking of the reverence due by people to Pastors sayeth A man may now see that there are not so great s●offs and reproaches used by the unfaithfull against the Rulers as by those that seem to be faithfull and to be joined with us Let us therefore inquire whence commeth this negligence and contempt of pietie that we have such a hostilitie against our Fathers There is nothing there is nothing that can so easilie destroy the Church as when there is not an exact jointure of Disciples to their Masters of children to parents and of them that are ruled with their Rulers He that but speaketh evill against his brother is debarred from reading the divine Scriptures for what hast thou to doe to take my Covenant in thy mouth sayeth the LORD and subjoineth this cause Thou sittest and speakest evill of thy brother and thinkest thou thy self worthie to come to the sacred porches who accuseth thy spirituall Father How agreeth this with reason For if they who speake evill of Father or Mother should dye according to the Law of what judgement is he worthie who dare speake evill of him who is much more necessarie and better then those Parents Why feareth he not that the Earth should open and swallow him or that thunder should come from Heaven and burn up that accusing tongue See him also Lib. 3. de Sacerdotio Cap. 5. 6. 7. In the next place ye say that the keeping of GODS House from pollution and superstition belongeth to Authority to the community of the faithfull and to every one in his own place and order but certainly if every one or all the community keep their own place and order they can doe nothing in this by way of force without far lesse against Authority Hence Zanchius in his first Book of Images Thes. 4. sayeth Without Authority of the Prince it is lawfull to none in this Countrey to take Idoles out of Churches or to change any thing in Religion he that doeth so should be punished as seditious This he confirmeth by reason and by the testimony of S. Augustin Tom. 10. de Sermone Domini in Monte Homilia 6. And a little after he subjoineth Augustin handleth this Argument piouslie he dehorteth his people from such a practise and sayeth That it is pravorum hominum furiosorum circumcellionum 8.