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A16701	The apologie of the Romane Church deuided into three seuerall tractes whereof 1. The first, concerneth the antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane religion ever since the Apostles time. 2. The second that the Protestantes religion was not so much as in being, at or before Luthers first appearing. 3. The thirde that Catholickes are no lesse loyall and dutifull to their soveraigne, then Protestantes. All which are vndertaken and proued by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues.	Anderton, Lawrence.; Anderton, James, fl. 1624, attributed name.	1604 (1604)	STC 3604; ESTC S119868	294,461	212

c. Cur ergo anxie curiose probant quod est a nobis nunquam negatum c. And ibidem page 241. initio he saith Visibilis est propter exercitia pietatis quae videntur ab omnibus in Ecclesia nam dum ministri docent alij discunt illi sacramenta administrant hij communicant c. qui ista non videt talpa est caecior visibilis est quia notae sunt insignes conspicuae c. and page 242. initio he saith non enim clancularij se●essus c. conuocationes sunt Christianae and page 281 fine he affirmeth concerning the Church militant which is the onely pointe in question ●portere Ecclesiam esse conspicuam conclusionem esse clarissimam the Churches euer visibilitie condemning the contrarie opinion of the Churches pretended Latencie or inuisibilitie for a monstrouse (f) Melancthon in Concil theolog part 2. saith necesse est fateri esse visibilem Ecclesiam c. quo spectat haec portentosa oratio qua negat esse vllam visibilem Ecclesiam page 393. fine 394 initio assertion (g) Mr. Henoch Clapham in his soueraigne remedie against schisme page 17 ante medium saith Contrary to all scriptures they do affirme that there hath bene no visibilitie of the Church for former hundreth of yeeres whi●h position is against Psalm 72 3 17. Esa 59 21. contrary to all scriptures against which our Sauiour did as they thinke specially forewarne vs saying (2) Math. 24 23. whereupon mr H●noch Clapham in his soueraigne remedie against schisme page 23. post med saith Our Sauiour forbides going out vnto such desert and corner ghospels Math. 24 23 24 26. and S. Austine tom 4. quaest euang l. 1. quaest 38. saith accordingly Constituta ergo authoritate Ecclesiae per orbem terrarum clara atque manifesta consequenter discipulos admonet qui in eum credere voluerint ne schismaticis atque hereticis credant vnumquodque enim schisma vnaquaeque heresis aut locum suum habet in orbe terrarum partem aliquam retinens aut obscuris atque occultis conuenticulis curiositatem hominum decipit Ad quod pertinet quod ait si quis vobis dixerit Ecce hic est Christus aut illic quod significat terrarum partes Prouinciarum Aut in penetralibus aut in deserto quod significat obscura occulta conuenticula haereticorum c. And see him further contra Faustum Manich. l. 13. c. 13. If therfore they shall say vnto you Beholde he is in the deserte go you not forth Beholde he is in secrete places beleeue it not In so much as they also affirme the visible dispersion therof euen for that (3) Reuelat. 12 12 17 10. 20 3. short time during which she is foretould (4) Reuelat. 12 6. to flee into wildernes by reason of Antichrists persecution to which end Mr. Fulke though most precise in this behalfe is yet enforced to confesse that (5) Mr. Doct. Fulke against the Rhemishe Testament in 2. Thessa 2. sect 5. fol. 354. b. fine the true Church th●●gh obscure and driuen into wild●rnes by Antichrist yet still continued dispersed ouer the world and that (6) Mr. Fulke ibid. fol. 355. a. initio to this like effecte see Mr. Whitaker in his answere to master Rainoldes preface pag. 34 37. mr Foxe in Apoc. page 349. post medium in the time of Antichrist it was not driuen into any corner of the world but was is and shall be alwaies dispersed in many nations and that not obscure but as Bullenger saith (*) Bullenger vpon the Apocalips fol. 200. a. fine b. initio see the words of Bullenger hereafter in the margent at the figure 3. tract 2. c. 2 sect 11. right famous which pointe the text it selfe doth also most inuincibly argue for as it affirmeth that the womans flight into wildernes must continue (7) Reuelat. 12 6 1260 dayes so likewise it affirmeth that the preaching of the Word must as then continue in like maner during euen the same terme of 1260. dayes (8) Reuelat. 11 3. and must so be as generall as the persecution a matter so vndoubted that Szegedine saith hereupon (9) Szegedinus in tabul Analatic page 368 circa medium the ministers of Gods word shall preach all the time in which Antichrist shall tread vnder foote the holy Cittie And Mr. Gifford saith likewise (10) Mr. Gifford vpon the reuelations serm 21. page 191. fine these two witnesses are not to be taken for two and no moe but for all those which were raised vp to impugne Antichrist and that they should prophecie during all the time of Antichrists reigne In like testimonie wherof the other (11) See Mr. Fulke against the Rhemishe Testament fol. 475. b. sect 4. and Bullenger vpon the Apocalipes in c. 11. fol. 142. b. post medium Protestant writers are very plentifull THAT PROTESTANTS TO PROVE THE answerable performance therof for former ages in their Church do alleage promiscuously both Catholicks knowne Heretickes as members of their Church SECT 2. THIS continued visible administration of the Word Sacraments being the confessed sense of the scriptures and without which the true Church cannot be we will now examine somewhat concerning the answerable performance therof In which point when we prouoke our aduersaries there is nothing more vsuall with them then for theire owne defence in this behalfe to search out in the examples of former times for all such whatsoeuer as may be said though often falsely in any sorte to haue impugned the Pope but so much as in any one pointe either of manners or doctrine And although they were otherwise neuer so different from Protest●nts yet are they in these straites promiscuously registred by our aduersaries in the Catallog of the Doctors of their Church In this sorte are named (*) See hereafter tract 2. c. 2. sect 7. in the margent there at the figure 2. concerning Ioannes de Rupe Scissa and Willm de S. Amore and see cōcerning Peter Bloix claimed by Mr. Gabriell Powell in his consideration c. pa. 52. initio Osiander incentur 12. page 281. post med where he saith Petrus Blesensis c. Pricipum Prelatorum religiosorum priuatorum peccata grauiter arguit c. non tamen Pontificios errores refutauit was this man then a Protestant Ioannes de rupe Scissa Willielmus de S. Amore and Peter Bloix for thei● onely reprouing the life maners of the Cleargie for this onely cause also are named (¶) Concerning Willm Occam read act mon. printed 1596. page 358. a sin 88. b. line 40. and of Scotus see Foxe ibid. page 130. b. line 8. Osiander cent 9. page 44. and of Ioannes Gaudauensis read Foxe vbi supra page 358. 2. line 88. William Occam Iohn Scotus and Iohn Gaudauensis In like vniust maner is named (h) By Mr. Sparke in his answere to Mr. Iohn d'