scripture_n or_o solid_a reason_n he_o judge_v p._n 3_o 4._o that_o east_n and_o west_n may_v meet_v and_o the_o most_o furious_a antagonist_n of_o popery_n may_v become_v of_o the_o easy_a convert_v deus_fw-la avertat_fw-la omen_fw-la if_o we_o may_v form_v any_o conjecture_n of_o what_o may_v be_v from_o the_o observation_n of_o what_o have_v be_v easy_a conversion_n to_o popery_n be_v like_a to_o be_v find_v among_o his_o own_o party_n who_o be_v tame_a and_o gentle_a towards_o popery_n and_o no_o way_n furious_a and_o if_o any_o be_v furious_a against_o it_o let_v they_o bear_v their_o blame_n we_o applaud_v and_o practice_v rational_a zeal_n against_o it_o but_o not_o fury_n for_o the_o wrath_n of_o man_n work_v not_o the_o righteousness_n of_o god._n he_o can_v get_v out_o of_o this_o fear_n concern_v many_o thousand_o zealous_a protestant_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o there_o be_v cause_n of_o fear_n for_o many_o have_v get_v sound_a principle_n in_o their_o head_n without_o save_a grace_n in_o their_o heart_n and_o the_o knowledge_n and_o fortitude_n of_o most_o be_v very_o weak_a and_o the_o best_a have_v cause_n to_o fear_v themselves_o and_o look_v to_o he_o who_o be_v able_a to_o make_v they_o stand_v but_o i_o hope_v all_o the_o ground_n of_o fear_n be_v not_o on_o our_o side_n sect._n 7._o but_o now_o the_o learned_a author_n come_v close_a to_o his_o design_n viz._n to_o lay_v down_o ground_n of_o his_o opinion_n that_o he_o be_v so_o confirm_v in_o that_o the_o principle_n and_o practice_n of_o nonconformist_n do_v tend_v to_o re-introduce_a popery_n among_o we_o one_o be_v that_o they_o mistake_v what_o popery_n be_v be_v as_o much_o afraid_a of_o a_o innocent_a ceremony_n and_o of_o the_o cross_n as_o of_o real_a idolatry_n and_o of_o kneel_v as_o of_o adore_v the_o host._n ans._n 1._o the_o dr._n may_v have_v know_v that_o the_o learned_a labour_n of_o some_o nonconformist_n against_o popery_n do_v sufficient_o testify_v that_o they_o be_v not_o ignorant_a what_o it_o be_v 2._o we_o general_o know_v that_o the_o ceremony_n be_v not_o popery_n but_o loâ—k_v on_o they_o as_o a_o part_n of_o popery_n but_o be_v far_o from_o equal_v they_o with_o some_o other_o part_n of_o popery_n that_o be_v far_o 〈◊〉_d re_fw-mi gross_o evil_a 3._o we_o never_o count_v even_o the_o nocent_a ceremony_n use_v in_o england_n for_o innocent_a ceremony_n we_o know_v none_o but_o those_o of_o god_n institution_n so_o bad_a as_o real_a idolatry_n nor_o cross_v and_o kneel_v so_o bad_a as_o worship_a image_n though_o we_o count_v both_o sinful_a and_o dare_v practice_v neither_o therefore_o if_o we_o shall_v come_v to_o see_v our_o mistake_n in_o the_o one_o case_n which_o we_o expect_v not_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o ground_n for_o the_o consequence_n of_o this_o allege_a by_o he_o viz._n that_o we_o shall_v suspect_v ourselves_o deceive_v in_o the_o other_o also_o unless_o he_o will_v say_v that_o every_o discovery_n of_o a_o mistake_v that_o man_n make_v about_o the_o small_a matter_n in_o religion_n will_v shake_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o their_o faith_n which_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v be_v very_o far_o from_o assert_v leave_v they_o that_o have_v read_v his_o irenicum_fw-la in_o former_a year_n and_o now_o read_v his_o sermon_n and_o this_o defence_n of_o it_o shall_v infer_v that_o which_o good_a man_n will_v be_v far_o from_o impute_v to_o a_o person_n of_o his_o worth_n especial_o when_o he_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o rather_o own_o a_o change_n in_o some_o thing_n now_o debate_v p._n 72._o of_o the_o preface_n sect._n 8._o it_o look_v like_o another_o ground_n that_o nonconformist_n serve_v the_o design_n of_o papist_n that_o when_o they_o find_v the_o undoubted_a practice_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n condemn_v as_o popish_a and_o antichristian_a by_o their_o teacher_n they_o must_v conclude_v popery_n to_o be_v of_o much_o great_a antiquity_n than_o real_o it_o be_v and_o when_o they_o can_v trace_v it_o so_o very_a near_o the_o apostle_n time_n they_o will_v soon_o believe_v it_o settle_v by_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o ans._n 1._o here_o be_v still_o a_o confound_a of_o something_o that_o be_v popish_a with_o popery_n a_o part_n take_v for_o the_o whole_a a_o accident_n without_o which_o popery_n can_v well_o consist_v and_o which_o do_v subsist_v without_o popery_n with_o the_o body_n and_o substance_n of_o popery_n he_o look_v on_o his_o antagonist_n according_a to_o his_o wont_a esteem_n of_o they_o as_o very_o mean_a logician_n when_o he_o will_v have_v they_o conclude_v the_o antiquity_n of_o popery_n in_o those_o thing_n that_o he_o and_o we_o do_v joint_o dislike_v it_o in_o from_o the_o antiquity_n of_o some_o rite_n that_o be_v use_v under_o that_o apostasy_n and_o which_o we_o have_v continue_v among_o we_o under_o the_o reformatiom_n 2._o it_o be_v still_o as_o bad_a a_o consequence_n from_o our_o trace_v some_o thing_n near_o to_o the_o apostle_n time_n to_o infer_v that_o they_o be_v settle_v by_o the_o apostle_n for_o we_o can_v make_v it_o appear_v that_o not_o only_o soon_o after_o the_o apostle_n time_n but_o in_o their_o time_n some_o thing_n be_v in_o the_o church_n that_o they_o do_v not_o settle_v as_o the_o love-feast_n which_o they_o reprove_v and_o abolish_v after_o that_o abuse_n of_o they_o be_v observe_v 3._o to_o call_v those_o thing_n that_o nonconformist_n scruple_n viz._n the_o ceremony_n the_o undoubted_a practice_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n which_o may_v be_v trace_v near_o to_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v gratis_o dictum_fw-la a_o bold_a beg_n of_o the_o question_n the_o proof_n of_o it_o we_o expect_v sect._n 9_o it_o will_v say_v he_o p._n 5._o be_v very_o hard_a to_o persuade_v consider_v man_n that_o the_o christian_a church_n shall_v degenerate_v so_o soon_o so_o unanimous_o and_o so_o universal_o as_o it_o must_v do_v if_o episcopacy_n and_o the_o use_n of_o significant_a ceremony_n be_v any_o part_n of_o the_o apostasy_n here_o be_v still_o the_o great_a antiquity_n of_o these_o thing_n take_v for_o grant_v but_o not_o prove_v but_o further_a his_o consider_v man_n if_o they_o read_v and_o consider_v the_o scripture_n will_v easy_o be_v persuade_v that_o a_o church_n may_v very_o early_a and_o quick_o degenerate_a and_o that_o unanimous_o and_o universal_o especial_o in_o some_o thing_n that_o be_v of_o lesser_a concern_n in_o religion_n how_o sudden_o do_v the_o church_n of_o israel_n degenerate_a and_o aaron_n with_o they_o when_o moses_n be_v but_o 40_o day_n absent_a in_o the_o mount_n &_o that_o in_o matter_n of_o high_a moment_n than_o what_o we_o contend_v about_o even_o worship_v a_o calf_n for_o god_n see_v ex._n 32._o 1._o and_o particular_o vers._n 8._o and_o the_o lord_n foretell_v to_o moses_n their_o after_a apostasy_n deut._n 31._o 16._o and_o moses_n take_v notice_n of_o their_o apostasy_n while_o he_o be_v yet_o with_o they_o and_o how_o soon_o they_o will_v break_v out_o after_o his_o departure_n 27._o 29._o how_o quick_o unanimous_o and_o universal_o do_v the_o ten_o tribe_n apostatise_v after_o solomon_n decease_n and_o be_v not_o the_o whole_a history_n of_o the_o church_n of_o judah_n under_o her_o king_n a_o witness_n of_o this_o when_o ever_o a_o bad_a king_n arise_v present_o the_o pure_a worship_n of_o god_n be_v turn_v to_o idolatry_n in_o the_o day_n of_o joash_n as_o soon_o as_o jehojada_n be_v go_v how_o quick_o do_v a_o faction_n with_o a_o compliment_n to_o the_o king_n turn_v the_o whole_a nation_n to_o idolatry_n 2_o chron._n 24._o 17_o 18._o these_o apostasy_n be_v in_o high_a point_n than_o we_o now_o speak_v of_o and_o yet_o how_o quick_o do_v the_o church_n thus_o degenerate_a and_o that_o this_o shall_v not_o be_v think_v strange_a even_o in_o the_o gospel-church_n we_o may_v see_v if_o we_o consider_v what_o christ_n tell_v we_o of_o the_o tare_n sow_v while_o man_n sleep_v and_o grow_v up_o insensible_o and_o without_o observation_n also_o the_o degeneracy_n that_o the_o church_n fall_v into_o even_o while_o the_o apostle_n be_v alive_a and_o faithful_o watch_v over_o she_o and_o that_o both_o in_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n be_v evident_a in_o the_o error_n in_o corinth_n and_o galatia_n in_o the_o abuse_n in_o public_a administration_n at_o corinth_n insomuch_o as_o the_o apostle_n behove_v even_o in_o his_o own_o time_n to_o make_v a_o reformation_n by_o bring_v back_o to_o apostolic_a example_n and_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n for_o reform_v some_o indecency_n among_o they_o and_o to_o divine_a institution_n for_o reform_v their_o enormity_n 1_o cor._n 11._o 1._o 20._o 23._o if_o these_o evil_n creep_v in_o under_o the_o inspection_n of_o the_o apostle_n what_o wonder_n be_v it_o if_o man_n afterward_o begin_v in_o some_o thing_n to_o deviate_v in_o church-practice_n
of_o puritan_n p._n 102._o he_o show_v that_o the_o same_o canon_n be_v now_o nine_o year_n after_o ratify_v by_o parliament_n the_o bishop_n begin_v to_o urge_v subscription_n more_o severe_o than_o before_o which_o make_v many_o dissenter_n keep_v their_o private_a meeting_n in_o field_n word_n their_o friend_n house_n etc._n etc._n and_o may_v not_o one_o rational_o think_v that_o the_o jesuit_n may_v in_o their_o own_o way_n prompt_v the_o bishop_n to_o this_o severity_n as_o well_o as_o the_o dissenter_n not_o to_o yield_v to_o it_o sect._n 20._o the_o notion_n that_o jesuit_n have_v of_o spiritual_a prayer_n mention_v p._n 15._o some_o of_o they_o extravagant_a enough_o the_o learned_a dr._n use_v as_o a_o repreach_n to_o the_o nonconformist_n how_o rational_o let_v the_o world_n judge_n see_v we_o never_o vent_v nor_o own_v such_o fancy_n only_o we_o think_v set_a form_n of_o prayer_n unfit_a to_o be_v use_v where_o minister_n be_v tolerable_o gift_v to_o pray_v without_o they_o and_o that_o all_o the_o pray_v that_o we_o read_v of_o to_o have_v be_v either_o practise_v or_o commend_v in_o the_o apostolic_a church_n be_v without_o book_n the_o spirit_n not_o the_o book_n help_v their_o infirmity_n even_o as_o to_o what_o they_o be_v to_o pray_v for_o or_o the_o matter_n of_o prayer_n rom._n 8._o 26._o when_o he_o say_v p._n 16._o that_o it_o be_v not_o improbable_a the_o jesuit_n be_v the_o first_o setter_n up_o of_o this_o way_n in_o england_n â—nd_v that_o it_o be_v never_o know_v here_o or_o in_o any_o other_o reform_a church_n before_o this_o time_n if_o he_o meâ—n_v prayer_n without_o a_o set-form_n if_o he_o mean_v any_o thing_n else_o it_o be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n it_o be_v a_o rash_a and_o untrue_a assertion_n be_v ever_o prayer_n without_o book_n condemn_v by_o any_o reform_v church_n yea_o can_v any_o reform_a church_n be_v instance_a where_o it_o have_v not_o be_v and_o be_v not_o use_v or_o let_v he_o mention_v a_o reform_a church_n that_o have_v restrain_v extemporal_a prayer_n and_o impose_v a_o set-form_n but_o this_o debate_n he_o resume_v afterward_o and_o till_o then_o we_o shall_v leave_v it_o it_o do_v not_o savour_n of_o thaâ—_n 〈◊〉_d regard_n to_o the_o spirit_n of_o prayer_n that_o be_v promise_v to_o be_v â—â—ured_v out_o on_o the_o people_n of_o god_n zâ—â—h_n 12._o 10._o to_o mock_v the_o use_v oâ—_n his_o help_n to_o pray_v without_o a_o book_n as_o a_o charm_n effectual_a with_o judicious_a people_n and_o to_o jeâ—r_v the_o zeal_n and_o warmth_n of_o devotion_n that_o appear_v in_o it_o many_o know_v the_o advantage_n of_o what_o he_o think_v but_o a_o fancy_n let_v he_o abound_v in_o his_o own_o sense_n for_o de_fw-fr gustiius_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la 〈◊〉_d if_o by_o means_n of_o this_o manner_n of_o worship_v god_n the_o division_n wonderful_o 〈◊〉_d as_o he_o say_v i_o hope_v it_o be_v not_o the_o debauch_a nor_o unserious_a that_o be_v so_o take_v with_o that_o way_n and_o therefore_o this_o increase_n be_v no_o reproach_n to_o it_o sect._n 21._o he_o cit_v the_o admonition_n give_v in_o to_o the_o parliament_n 14_o eliz._n of_o which_o he_o say_v the_o author_n mr._n fâ—ller's_n church_n history_n p._n 102_o 103._o make_v mr._n thomas_n cartwright_n author_n both_o of_o the_o first_o and_o second_o admonition_n will_v have_v neither_o papist_n nor_o oâ—â—ers_n eâ—â—strained_v to_o communicate_v i_o do_v not_o understand_v whether_o any_o person_n shall_v be_v constrain_v to_o partake_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o i_o suppose_v that_o be_v mean_v otherwise_o than_o by_o forcible_a persuasion_n which_o be_v the_o compulsion_n mean_v luk._n 14._o 23._o brugensis_n say_v it_o express_v viâ—â—â—vangelij_fw-la so_o other_o that_o ordinance_n be_v never_o appoint_v by_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v a_o test_n of_o a_o man_n profession_n while_o he_o be_v uncapable_a to_o improve_v it_o to_o high_a end_n but_o if_o the_o admonition_n plead_v for_o tolerate_v of_o popery_n i_o have_v not_o the_o book_n by_o i_o and_o therefore_o can_v determine_v in_o this_o we_o be_v far_o from_o approve_v it_o though_o we_o think_v we_o have_v a_o right_n by_o the_o gospel_n not_o only_o to_o toleration_n but_o further_a countenance_n for_o our_o way_n yet_o if_o we_o may_v choose_v we_o have_v rather_o be_v under_o the_o severe_a persecution_n than_o have_v the_o least_o hand_n in_o obtain_v liberty_n to_o that_o idolatry_n we_o must_v not_o do_v yea_o nor_o wish_v evil_a that_o good_a may_v come_v what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o archb._n whit_n gift_n and_o archb._n grindal_n p._n 17_o 18._o i_o look_v on_o as_o invective_n against_o the_o nonconformist_n of_o the_o same_o stamp_n with_o his_o own_o they_o be_v party_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v adduce_v as_o witness_n dr._n sutclife_o say_v no_o more_o than_o we_o will_v say_v that_o our_o division_n give_v advantage_n to_o the_o papist_n let_v they_o who_o be_v the_o culpable_a cause_n of_o the_o division_n look_v to_o it_o the_o prophecy_n cite_v out_o of_o mr._n solden_a be_v to_o the_o same_o purpose_n and_o need_v no_o other_o answer_n sect._n 22._o the_o politic_a hellish_a advice_n give_v by_o the_o jesuit_n contzen_n and_o signior_n ballarini_fw-la make_v nothing_o against_o we_o at_o all_o though_o he_o fill_v p._n 19_o 20_o 21._o with_o they_o for_o all_o that_o can_v be_v thence_o infer_v be_v that_o they_o labour_v to_o divide_v protestant_n and_o this_o dâ—vision_n fall_v out_o according_a to_o their_o wish_n now_o the_o division_n have_v its_o rise_n from_o the_o imposition_n of_o one_o party_n that_o assume_v the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o scruple_n of_o another_o party_n if_o the_o church_n impose_v that_o which_o be_v lawful_a and_o necessary_a and_o the_o other_o party_n scruple_n that_o and_o so_o divide_v in_o that_o case_n the_o dissenter_n must_v bear_v the_o blame_n of_o the_o division_n and_o be_v guilty_a of_o cooperate_a with_o the_o common_a enemy_n in_o ruine_v the_o protestant_a religion_n but_o if_o the_o church_n by_o her_o imposition_n burden_n the_o conscience_n of_o her_o member_n with_o thing_n that_o she_o count_v indifferent_a i._n e._n needless_a and_o the_o scrupler_n reckon_v as_o unlawful_a and_o have_v just_a ground_n so_o to_o do_v then_o the_o blame_n of_o separate_a and_o of_o help_v the_o papist_n to_o ruin_v our_o religion_n lie_v at_o the_o church_n door_n wherefore_o all_o this_o may_v have_v be_v spare_v let_v the_o learned_a dr._n sound_o refute_v our_o principle_n and_o then_o cast_v what_o blame_v he_o will_v on_o we_o but_o till_o that_o be_v do_v which_o we_o expect_v not_o let_v he_o â—ake_v heed_n where_o the_o blame_n will_v be_v lay_v when_o the_o secret_n of_o man_n shall_v be_v judge_v it_o may_v be_v observe_v in_o these_o advice_n that_o the_o jesuit_n as_o their_o master_n the_o devil_n often_o do_v speak_v some_o truth_n out_o of_o a_o bad_a end_n sect._n 23._o next_o he_o come_v p._n 22._o to_o reproach_v we_o with_o the_o indulgence_n that_o be_v grant_v march_n 1671-2_a as_o be_v procure_v by_o the_o papist_n if_o any_o nonconformist_n have_v a_o hand_n in_o procure_v liberty_n which_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v to_o they_o i_o think_v their_o brethren_n will_v disow_v they_o in_o that_o act._n that_o papist_n have_v a_o hand_n in_o it_o be_v not_o improbable_a both_o for_o their_o own_o ease_n and_o to_o make_v the_o difference_n among_o protestant_n the_o more_o conspicuous_a but_o be_v it_o fit_a that_o we_o shall_v forbear_v a_o necessary_a duty_n because_o of_o their_o ill_a design_n we_o do_v not_o join_v in_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n before_o that_o but_o worship_v god_n after_o his_o own_o institution_n without_o humane_a ceremony_n all_o the_o change_n in_o our_o way_n on_o that_o occasion_n be_v that_o what_o before_o we_o have_v do_v in_o corner_n and_o with_o hazard_n than_o we_o do_v safe_o and_o open_o and_o what_o fault_n be_v in_o this_o but_o one_o say_v that_o the_o presbyterian_o suspect_v the_o kindness_n and_o join_v with_o the_o conformist_n like_o wise_a man_n and_o refuse_v the_o bait_n who_o say_v so_o or_o on_o what_o ground_n i_o know_v not_o we_o go_v no_o further_o from_o the_o conformist_n than_o conscience_n of_o duty_n have_v make_v we_o do_v before_o but_o it_o have_v be_v a_o strange_a thing_n if_o when_o liberty_n be_v grant_v we_o to_o worship_n god_n in_o his_o own_o way_n we_o have_v then_o join_v with_o a_o superstitious_a worship_n which_o we_o can_v not_o do_v before_o if_o that_o author_n mean_v that_o presbyterian_o be_v then_o willing_a to_o concur_v with_o the_o conformist_n as_o their_o protestant_a brethren_n in_o all_o thing_n lawful_a to_o disappoint_v the_o design_n of_o the_o common_a enemy_n we_o approve_v of_o that_o
very_a constitution_n of_o a_o church_n in_o which_o we_o differ_v from_o they_o as_o he_o say_v p._n 33._o the_o old_a nonconformist_n do_v of_o who_o he_o say_v that_o they_o hold_v that_o nothing_o can_v justify_v separation_n from_o the_o church_n but_o such_o corruption_n which_o overthrow_v the_o be_v of_o it_o and_o he_o say_v the_o force_n of_o all_o their_o reason_n against_o the_o separation_n lay_v in_o this_o and_o the_o deny_v of_o such_o corruption_n to_o be_v in_o the_o church_n for_o prove_v of_o this_o he_o show_v that_o the_o separatist_n think_v nothing_o can_v justify_v their_o separation_n but_o that_o which_o nullify_v the_o church_n and_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n for_o they_o mind_v nothing_o but_o a_o active_a separation_n and_o not_o that_o of_o be_v drive_v away_o by_o sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n impose_v it_o be_v true_a they_o mention_v the_o service_n as_o one_o of_o their_o plea_n for_o separation_n but_o not_o bare_o as_o unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v but_o as_o nullify_n the_o church_n which_o we_o never_o plead_v for_o what_o he_o add_v p._n 35_o etc._n etc._n that_o the_o nonconformist_n when_o they_o will_v disprove_v the_o separation_n only_o prove_v the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o they_o mind_v no_o more_o see_v that_o be_v to_o overturn_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o the_o adverse_a cause_n but_o do_v they_o ever_o teach_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o communicate_v with_o a_o true_a church_n in_o those_o part_n of_o her_o worship_n that_o be_v sinful_a which_o be_v the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o controversy_n that_o we_o now_o manage_v he_o insult_v much_o in_o a_o assertion_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n p._n 36._o at_o the_o end_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v a_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o such_o a_o one_o as_o from_o which_o whosoever_o witting_o and_o continual_o separate_v himself_o cut_v himself_o off_o from_o christ._n i_o may_v say_v as_o 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a_o church_n because_o of_o sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n require_v they_o can_v not_o blame_v any_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o pergamus_n to_o refrain_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o that_o church_n if_o that_o communion_n be_v deny_v to_o that_o member_n unless_o he_o will_v either_o approve_v of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o nicolaitan_n or_o at_o least_o consent_n to_o the_o tolerate_n of_o it_o such_o be_v our_o case_n we_o be_v deny_v christ_n ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n unless_o we_o will_v approve_v by_o our_o practice_n the_o ceremony_n which_o we_o judge_v sinful_a with_o what_o face_n can_v they_o blame_v we_o for_o do_v that_o which_o themselves_o put_v we_o into_o so_o great_a a_o necessity_n to_o do_v have_v we_o not_o rather_o cause_v to_o take_v up_o david_n complaint_n against_o they_o 1_o sam._n 26._o 19_o they_o have_v thrust_v we_o out_o from_o the_o inheritance_n of_o the_o lord_n say_v go_v serve_v other_o gods._n have_v it_o be_v fair_a deal_n to_o call_v david_n a_o separatist_n in_o his_o exile_n because_o he_o wait_v not_o on_o the_o temple_n service_n and_o yet_o the_o necessity_n that_o he_o be_v under_o of_o abstain_v from_o it_o be_v not_o so_o great_a as_o we_o that_o be_v bodily_a hazard_n we_o be_v soul_n hazard_n by_o sin_v against_o god._n sect._n 11._o the_o nonconformist_n reason_n that_o he_o bring_v for_o their_o assertion_n p._n 36._o prove_v no_o more_o than_o what_o be_v already_o grant_v as_o any_o that_o read_v and_o understand_v they_o may_v perceive_v what_o he_o bring_v out_o of_o jacob_n against_o johnson_n and_o ball_n against_o can_n be_v nothing_o against_o we_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v a_o true_a church_n from_o p._n 39_o he_o show_v that_o nonconformist_n hold_v that_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o such_o as_o do_v overthrow_v the_o be_v and_o constitution_n of_o it_o which_o we_o willing_o yield_v to_o what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o other_o nonconformist_n p._n 40_o 41._o about_o form_n of_o prayer_n and_o the_o english_a liturgy_n shall_v be_v examine_v in_o its_o due_a place_n if_o the_o lord_n permit_v i_o know_v some_o nonconformist_n have_v have_v and_o some_o now_o have_v a_o great_a freedom_n to_o use_v it_o than_o other_o have_v but_o as_o now_o there_o be_v so_o of_o old_a there_o be_v other_o that_o can_v not_o comply_v with_o it_o what_o ever_o be_v giffard_n opinion_n about_o the_o ceremony_n be_v antichristian_a if_o he_o think_v they_o lawful_a to_o be_v use_v which_o be_v our_o question_n i_o know_v not_o why_o he_o shall_v be_v reckon_v a_o nonconformist_a but_o indeed_o there_o be_v nothing_o of_o that_o in_o what_o the_o dr._n cit_v p._n 41_o 42._o what_o he_o bring_v p._n 42_o 43_o 44_o 45_o 46_o 47._o out_o of_o several_a nonconformist_n to_o show_v that_o the_o ministry_n discipline_n and_o hierarchy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o antichristian_a nor_o the_o church-antichrist_n we_o be_v not_o concern_v to_o disprove_v and_o the_o dr._n may_v have_v spare_v all_o this_o transcribe_v it_o be_v whole_o beside_o the_o question_n some_o thing_n he_o make_v they_o say_v that_o deserve_v a_o little_a animadversion_n but_o i_o will_v not_o now_o digress_v to_o take_v notice_n of_o they_o sect._n 12._o he_o proceed_v sect._n 12._o to_o give_v account_n of_o the_o independent_a separation_n and_o how_o it_o be_v oppose_v by_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n by_o such_o reason_n as_o will_v hold_v against_o the_o present_a separation_n i_o confess_v there_o be_v a_o present_a separation_n that_o these_o reason_n do_v hold_v against_o for_o that_o same_o separation_n do_v still_o continue_v but_o he_o do_v not_o prove_v his_o point_n unless_o he_o make_v it_o appear_v that_o these_o reason_n conclude_v that_o we_o shall_v use_v the_o ceremony_n rather_o than_o forbear_v church-communion_n with_o the_o prelatist_n but_o his_o reason_n for_o what_o he_o say_v we_o shall_v attend_v in_o their_o course_n what_o reflection_n the_o dr._n think_v to_o cast_v on_o the_o nonconformist_n by_o the_o break_n of_o brown_n church_n in_o middleborough_n and_o his_o juggle_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o god_n i_o know_v not_o this_o long_a story_n have_v either_o no_o design_n which_o i_o can_v impute_v to_o a_o man_n of_o his_o part_n or_o a_o ill_a design_n which_o i_o be_o loath_a to_o impute_v to_o one_o of_o his_o worth._n however_o it_o be_v we_o disclaim_v all_o concern_v in_o it_o there_o have_v be_v breach_n and_o apostasy_n among_o other_o as_o well_o as_o among_o nonconformist_n that_o a_o nameless_a author_n call_v brown_n preach_v private_o in_o time_n of_o the_o public_a assembly_n a_o curse_a conventicle_n it_o may_v be_v there_o be_v cause_n if_o brown_n be_v such_o a_o bad_a man_n as_o the_o dr._n make_v he_o but_o i_o know_v some_o of_o these_o meeting_n that_o the_o dr._n be_v so_o displease_v with_o be_v bless_v of_o the_o lord_n 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necessity_n of_o separation_n ans._n 1._o the_o dr._n than_o make_v no_o difference_n between_o a_o scruple_n that_o have_v ground_n for_o it_o and_o one_o that_o have_v none_o if_o he_o can_v make_v our_o scruple_n appear_v to_o be_v groundless_a as_o he_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v he_o have_v advantage_n against_o we_o ans._n 2._o be_v there_o no_o difference_n between_o have_v probable_a ground_n for_o a_o scruple_n and_o have_v no_o such_o ground_n be_v there_o any_o comparison_n between_o scruple_v at_o use_v religious_a ceremony_n that_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n but_o be_v in_o general_n at_o least_o condemn_v in_o it_o and_o scruple_v at_o some_o pretend_a corruption_n that_o no_o scripture_n condemn_v ans._n 3._o if_o the_o dr_n reason_v be_v good_a either_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o none_o that_o scruple_n unless_o we_o scruple_n the_o same_o thing_n or_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o all_o that_o scruple_n the_o first_o of_o these_o exclude_v all_o christian_a forbearance_n the_o last_o he_o will_v not_o allege_v ans._n 4._o he_o mention_v imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n only_o that_o we_o may_v seem_v imposer_n as_o well_o as_o his_o party_n be_v that_o be_v unreasonable_a not_o only_o because_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n law_n for_o our_o order_n and_o discipline_n which_o he_o will_v not_o pretend_v to_o show_v for_o the_o ceremony_n but_o also_o because_o we_o can_v bear_v with_o sober_a and_o faithful_a brethren_n that_o can_v approve_v of_o all_o that_o we_o do_v which_o his_o party_n will_v not_o sect._n 20._o he_o mistake_v the_o case_n when_o he_o insinuate_v that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o but_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n to_o plead_v the_o dr._n shall_v not_o have_v allege_v this_o till_o he_o or_o some_o of_o his_o party_n have_v answer_v all_o our_o reason_n of_o scruple_v in_o many_o book_n neither_o touch_v by_o he_o or_o any_o other_o but_o now_o he_o will_v knock_v down_o our_o cause_n with_o one_o blow_n he_o say_v he_o put_v the_o case_n as_o clear_v as_o possible_a to_o prevent_v all_o subterfuge_n and_o slight_a evasion_n he_o suppose_v five_o scruple_a party_n one_o at_o the_o liturgy_n a_o second_o at_o the_o cross_n and_o kneel_a a_o three_o at_o wrong_n gather_v church_n a_o four_o at_o infant_n baptism_n a_o five_o at_o preach_v by_o set_a form_n and_o be_v stint_v by_o a_o hourglass_n and_o he_o say_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o case_n do_v not_o vary_v according_a to_o these_o if_o this_o be_v the_o dr_n herculean_a argument_n we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o fear_v his_o strength_n so_o much_o as_o before_o sure_o the_o learned_a dr_n part_n can_v let_v he_o see_v more_o reason_n to_o bear_v with_o sober_a and_o intelligent_a man_n who_o dare_v not_o join_v with_o a_o church_n in_o worship_v god_n by_o religious_a ceremony_n not_o institute_v by_o christ_n than_o with_o fantastic_a quaker_n who_o cast_v off_o god_n ordinance_n because_o of_o a_o hourglass_n but_o that_o his_o prejudice_n do_v in_o this_o darken_v his_o understanding_n but_o the_o tendency_n of_o his_o discourse_n seem_v to_o be_v either_o church-authority_n must_v lead_v we_o blindfold_n so_o as_o we_o must_v scruple_n nothing_o impose_v or_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o reason_n shall_v limit_v our_o fancy_n but_o we_o may_v scruple_n what_o we_o will._n he_o say_v well_o p._n 76._o and_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o he_o have_v say_v it_o if_o they_o allege_v ground_n to_o justify_v themselves_o they_o must_v do_v it_o ex_fw-la natura_fw-la rei_fw-la and_o not_o from_o the_o mere_a error_n or_o mistake_n of_o conscience_n we_o will_v most_o willing_o join_v issue_n with_o he_o on_o this_o condition_n provide_v the_o natura_fw-la rei_fw-la may_v be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n as_o all_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v if_o he_o can_v prove_v the_o ceremony_n that_o we_o scruple_n to_o be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v use_v without_o sin_n or_o if_o we_o prove_v not_o the_o contrary_a let_v he_o call_v we_o as_o vile_a separatist_n as_o he_o please_v if_o the_o dr._n have_v please_v at_o first_o to_o hang_v the_o matter_n on_o this_o pin_n and_o not_o to_o have_v fill_v his_o book_n with_o so_o many_o citation_n to_o strengthen_v his_o cause_n with_o humane_a authority_n he_o may_v have_v save_v both_o himself_o and_o i_o all_o this_o labour_n that_o hitherto_o we_o have_v be_v at_o it_o be_v no_o great_a commendation_n either_o of_o the_o wisdom_n or_o of_o the_o sobriety_n of_o his_o church_n that_o he_o say_v shâ—_n have_v as_o much_o occasion_n cause_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v to_o judge_v their_o the_o presbyterian_o scruple_n unreasonable_a as_o they_o do_v those_o of_o the_o quaker_n what_o follow_v about_o occasional_a communion_n be_v answer_v above_o that_o which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o mr._n a._n of_o the_o assemby_n be_v transport_v in_o the_o heat_n of_o dispute_n be_v not_o so_o derogatory_n from_o that_o venerable_a meeting_n as_o he_o will_v make_v it_o it_o be_v rare_a to_o find_v it_o otherwise_o with_o sinful_a man_n how_o many_o thing_n do_v thus_o slip_v from_o the_o pen_n of_o several_a of_o the_o father_n that_o the_o dr._n will_v not_o approve_v but_o we_o do_v not_o hereby_o give_v up_o the_o cause_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n nor_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n principle_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n not_o to_o approve_v all_o that_o man_n say_v and_o another_o thing_n to_o condemn_v the_o cause_n that_o they_o plead_v for_o sect._n 21._o our_o author_n do_v next_o undertake_v sect._n 17._o to_o show_v how_o we_o have_v desert_v the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n as_o to_o private_a person_n reform_v church-discipline_n set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o the_o preach_n of_o minister_n when_o silence_v by_o the_o law_n for_o the_o set_n up_o of_o church_n and_o discipline_n he_o cit_v several_a nonconformist_n against_o it_o without_o the_o magistrate_n p._n 78_o 79_o 80_o 81_o 82._o to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o two_o thing_n be_v express_o in_o these_o citation_n that_o make_v what_o they_o condemn_v not_o to_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o 1._o they_o condemn_v private_a man_n endeavour_v a_o public_a reformation_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o magistrate_n so_o it_o be_v thrice_o express_v p._n 81._o out_o of_o confut._n of_o the_o brownist_n now_o we_o meddle_v not_o with_o a_o public_a reformation_n otherwise_o than_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o advice_n as_o we_o have_v occasion_n which_o be_v there_o also_o express_o allow_v by_o they_o but_o content_v ourselves_o to_o serve_v god_n private_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o public_o without_o sin._n to_o this_o same_o purpose_n be_v that_o which_o be_v cite_v out_o of_o giffard_n p._n 79._o that_o though_o every_o one_o ought_v to_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n yet_o no_o private_a person_n be_v to_o take_v on_o they_o public_a authority_n to_o reform_v if_o we_o do_v so_o blame_v we_o for_o it_o 2._o these_o nonconformist_n all_o along_o speak_v of_o private_a person_n reform_v the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n now_o what_o be_v do_v among_o we_o of_o that_o kind_n be_v do_v by_o minister_n who_o though_o in_o the_o state_n they_o be_v private_a person_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o meddle_v with_o matter_n of_o that_o concern_n yet_o in_o the_o church_n they_o be_v public_a person_n and_o have_v authority_n from_o god_n to_o dispense_v his_o ordinance_n but_o i_o do_v not_o by_o what_o i_o have_v say_v intend_v to_o homologate_v all_o that_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o these_o nonconformist_n several_a thing_n they_o assert_v that_o can_v well_o be_v defend_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o digress_v so_o far_o as_o to_o particularize_v they_o sect._n 22._o i_o shall_v only_o say_v that_o have_v this_o principle_n of_o not_o reform_v the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n by_o people_n among_o themselves_o till_o the_o magistrate_n give_v countenance_n take_v always_o place_n in_o the_o world_n not_o only_a 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no_o moment_n without_o it_o we_o shall_v either_o join_v with_o man_n in_o sin_n or_o live_v without_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god._n let_v i_o here_o make_v use_n of_o the_o testimony_n of_o a_o worthy_a person_n one_o who_o the_o dr._n afterward_o bring_v against_o we_o and_o therefore_o in_o reason_n can_v refuse_v his_o suffrage_n though_o we_o be_v far_o from_o hang_v our_o cause_n on_o man_n opinion_n as_o the_o dr._n do_v that_o be_v the_o learned_a mounseur_fw-fr claude_n in_o his_o excellent_a book_n call_v the_o historical_a defence_n of_o the_o reformation_n the_o design_n of_o which_o be_v to_o show_v that_o every_o man_n have_v a_o right_a to_o believe_v the_o truth_n and_o to_o dissent_v from_o error_n and_o to_o profef_n this_o and_o to_o reform_v religion_n by_o set_v up_o religious_a assemble_v for_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n when_o they_o can_v have_v truth_n nor_o right_a worship_n in_o that_o which_o go_v under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v part_n 2._o p._n 169._o as_o it_o be_v ridiculous_a to_o demand_v of_o a_o man_n in_o a_o civil_a society_n what_o personal_a call_v he_o have_v to_o live_v to_o labour_v to_o avoid_v that_o which_o will_v be_v hurtful_a to_o his_o life_n and_o to_o have_v a_o care_n of_o his_o own_o preservation_n so_o it_o be_v also_o a_o absurdity_n to_o demand_v of_o our_o father_n what_o call_v they_o have_v to_o believe_v aright_o in_o god_n and_o to_o worship_v he_o pure_o and_o to_o remove_v far_o from_o they_o all_o that_o which_o they_o believe_v to_o be_v contrary_a to_o a_o spiritual_a life_n and_o their_o own_o salvation_n and_o much_o more_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o object_v p._n 170._o be_v not_o this_o to_o rend_v the_o church_n by_o division_n and_o answer_v no_o for_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n lie_v not_o in_o error_n or_o false_a worship_n it_o be_v love_n to_o the_o church_n to_o endeavour_v her_o cure_n by_o show_v a_o good_a example_n and_o part_v 4._o p._n 14_o 15._o when_o it_o be_v object_v that_o the_o protestant_n can_v not_o separate_v because_o their_o pastor_n be_v against_o it_o he_o answer_v that_o many_o pastor_n go_v along_o with_o they_o and_o if_o that_o have_v not_o be_v they_o may_v have_v choose_v pastor_n all_o which_o he_o discourse_v at_o length_n we_o have_v a_o example_n of_o set_v up_o god_n ordinance_n without_o yea_o against_o the_o law_n of_o man_n in_o the_o word_n it_o be_v clear_a from_o ezr._n 5._o with_o ch_z 4._o 21._o that_o the_o temple_n be_v build_v against_o law_n and_o it_o be_v clear_a from_o hog_n 1._o 2._o that_o it_o be_v the_o people_n sin_n that_o they_o neglect_v it_o so_o long_o even_o when_o law_n be_v against_o they_o and_o that_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v do_v it_o before_o haggai_n and_o zechariah_n put_v they_o on_o it_o sect._n 23._o next_o the_o dr._n p._n 82._o bring_v in_o some_o nonconformist_n condemn_a minister_n preach_v after_o they_o be_v silence_v it_o be_v evident_a to_o any_o that_o read_v p._n 82_o &_o 83._o that_o it_o be_v silence_v by_o the_o church_n that_o be_v there_o speak_v of_o but_o our_o restraint_n be_v by_o the_o magistrate_n only_o who_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o give_v nor_o to_o take_v away_o pastoral_a power_n pag._n 86._o he_o bring_v mr._n bradshaw_n reason_v against_o minister_n preach_v against_o the_o will_n of_o the_o magistrate_n but_o in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o mr._n bradshaw_n discourse_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o speak_v only_o against_o public_a preach_v in_o such_o a_o place_n in_o defiance_n of_o the_o magistrate_n and_o run_v on_o the_o sword_n be_v point_n or_o oppose_a sword_n to_o sword_n which_o we_o be_v far_o from_o either_o practise_v or_o approve_v i_o confess_v p._n 87._o he_o be_v for_o the_o minister_n live_v private_o yet_o say_v express_o that_o he_o be_v to_o labour_v mean_a while_o private_o upon_o particular_a occasion_n offer_v why_o they_o may_v not_o be_v also_o seek_v i_o know_v not_o to_o strengthen_v and_o confirm_v in_o the_o way_n of_o god_n those_o people_n that_o be_v deprive_v of_o his_o public_a labour_n if_o this_o be_v not_o a_o allowance_n of_o his_o private_a preach_n i_o understand_v it_o not_o but._n mr._n bradshaw_n will_v have_v the_o people_n to_o submit_v to_o the_o ministry_n of_o another_o in_o public_a with_o the_o like_n of_o the_o magistrate_n though_o he_o will_v have_v they_o to_o affect_v and_o love_v the_o former_a as_o their_o pastor_n how_o congruous_a this_o advice_n be_v i_o shall_v not_o inquire_v not_o lay_v so_o much_o stress_n on_o man_n thought_n of_o thing_n as_o to_o be_v turn_v out_o of_o our_o way_n by_o they_o but_o mr._n bradshaw_n seem_v to_o speak_v of_o a_o case_n wherein_o the_o magistrate_n be_v offend_v with_o a_o minister_n on_o some_o personal_a account_n and_o another_o be_v set_v over_o the_o people_n with_o who_o they_o may_v as_o lawful_o join_v as_o with_o the_o former_a but_o that_o do_v not_o come_v near_o to_o our_o case_n in_o which_o minister_n be_v restrain_v because_o of_o a_o scruple_n common_a to_o they_o and_o the_o people_n that_o join_v with_o they_o to_o wit_n use_v the_o ceremony_n will_v he_o have_v the_o people_n over_o the_o belly_n of_o scripture-light_n to_o join_v with_o the_o new_a incumbent_n in_o ceremony_n and_o not_o rather_o enjoy_v the_o ordinance_n in_o purity_n though_o in_o private_a from_o their_o own_o faithful_a pastor_n i_o can_v see_v how_o that_o can_v be_v gather_v from_o his_o word_n but_o if_o it_o be_v his_o opinion_n we_o crave_v leave_v to_o differ_v from_o he_o beside_o mr._n bradshaw_n do_v never_o advise_v that_o some_o thousand_o of_o minister_n be_v all_o lay_v aside_o at_o once_o shall_v deprive_v the_o church_n of_o their_o more_o private_a labour_n when_o they_o be_v forcible_o restrain_v in_o public_a the_o nonconformist_n in_o former_a time_n be_v not_o in_o our_o circumstance_n sect._n 24._o the_o dr._n be_v now_o come_v to_o his_o triarij_fw-la his_o last_o argument_n to_o prove_v what_o be_v the_o general_a sense_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n in_o this_o it_o be_v mr._n sprint_n argument_n for_o conformity_n rather_o than_o to_o be_v deprive_v to_o wit_n that_o a_o lesser_a duty_n shall_v cede_fw-la to_o a_o great_a he_o suppose_v conformity_n and_o preach_v to_o be_v a_o great_a duty_n than_o abstain_v from_o the_o ceremony_n and_o he_o confirm_v this_o it_o seem_v by_o the_o apostle_n who_o he_o say_v submit_v to_o the_o jewish_a ceremony_n rather_o than_o lose_v the_o liberty_n of_o the_o ministry_n the_o dr._n i_o see_v have_v not_o keep_v his_o best_a wine_n till_o the_o end_n of_o the_o feast_n this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o mean_a of_o his_o allegation_n for_o the_o nonconformist_n have_v a_o easy_a answer_n to_o this_o argument_n that_o here_o a_o sin_n and_o forbear_v a_o duty_n be_v bring_v in_o competition_n which_o make_v a_o easy_a choice_n to_o wit_n use_v unlawful_a ceremony_n with_o not_o preach_v in_o public_a what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o apostle_n use_v the_o jewish_a ceremony_n be_v quite_o out_o of_o our_o way_n for_o these_o ceremony_n for_o a_o time_n be_v indifferent_a as_o all_o acknowledge_v buâ—_n that_o ever_o any_o of_o the_o apostle_n use_v they_o after_o the_o full_a promulgate_a of_o the_o gospel_n and_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o temple_n when_o they_o become_v not_o only_a mortuae_fw-la but_o mortiferae_fw-la as_o the_o school_n speak_v we_o utter_o deny_v but_o even_o what_o he_o make_v the_o nonconformist_n answer_n concern_v the_o great_a usefulness_n and_o necessity_n of_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o apostle_n than_o of_o their_o preach_n make_v nothing_o for_o his_o design_n nor_o do_v it_o prove_v that_o they_o do_v not_o think_v that_o the_o apostle_n woe_n be_v unto_o i_o if_o i_o preach_v not_o the_o gospel_n do_v reach_v to_o their_o case_n for_o it_o can_v import_v no_o more_o but_o that_o if_o such_o a_o great_a necessity_n may_v warrant_v some_o thing_n otherwise_o 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as_o to_o study_v the_o one_o be_v to_o study_v the_o other_o also_o and_o neglect_v the_o one_o be_v to_o neglect_v the_o other_o if_o he_o say_v they_o be_v not_o why_o do_v he_o here_o conjoin_v they_o will_v not_o the_o study_n of_o peace_n answer_v this_o injunction_n of_o the_o apostle_n without_o uniformity_n if_o he_o say_v they_o be_v it_o be_v easy_a to_o prove_v the_o contrary_a for_o not_o only_o we_o have_v peace_n and_o unity_n with_o other_o church_n though_o not_o uniformity_n but_o the_o church_n of_o england_n allow_v a_o difformity_n within_o herself_o to_o wit_n between_o cathedral_n and_o parochial_a service_n and_o yet_o i_o hope_v she_o allow_v no_o schism_n nor_o breach_n of_o unity_n or_o will_v the_o dr._n say_v that_o the_o apostle_n here_o injoin_v uniformity_n among_o all_o particular_a assembly_n in_o a_o church_n except_o in_o cathedral_n i_o confess_v it_o be_v like_a he_o do_v not_o mind_v their_o uniformity_n for_o he_o know_v no_o such_o distinction_n of_o church_n or_o officer_n on_o who_o it_o depend_v under_o the_o new_a testament_n sect._n 8._o i_o ask_v second_o what_o sort_n of_o uniformity_n do_v he_o think_v the_o apostle_n do_v here_o enjoin_v if_o in_o doctrine_n institute_v worship_n holy_a conversation_n and_o such_o like_a i_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v our_o duty_n to_o study_v it_o but_o if_o in_o the_o same_o form_n and_o word_n of_o prayer_n in_o the_o same_o religious_a institute_v ceremony_n yea_o or_o in_o all_o the_o same_o circumstance_n let_v he_o prove_v that_o the_o apostle_n mean_v any_o such_o thing_n for_o we_o deny_v it_o and_o it_o be_v general_o hold_v that_o the_o ancient_a church_n which_o the_o dr._n think_v can_v not_o possible_o so_o soon_o degenerate_a from_o apostolic_a practice_n be_v very_o various_a and_o not_o uniform_a in_o her_o rite_n and_o custom_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o daillie_n right_a use_n of_o the_o father_n lib._n 2._o p._n 148._o but_o much_o more_o full_o in_o the_o dr_n own_o irenicum_fw-la p._n 65_o 66._o he_o must_v be_v a_o great_a stranger_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o take_v not_o notice_n of_o the_o great_a diversity_n of_o rite_n and_o custom_n use_v in_o particular_a church_n without_o any_o censure_v of_o those_o that_o differ_v from_o they_o or_o if_o any_o by_o inconsiderate_a zeal_n do_v proceed_v so_o far_o as_o the_o dr._n and_o other_o now_o do_v how_o ill_o it_o be_v resent_v by_o other_o christian_n a_o great_a deal_n more_o to_o that_o purpose_n be_v excellent_o there_o say_v but_o o_o quantum_fw-la mutatus_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la we_o deny_v that_o uniformity_n such_o as_o that_o our_o brother_n use_v to_o plead_v so_o hot_o for_o be_v any_o part_n of_o the_o apostle_n meaning_n and_o therefore_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o dr_n argument_n from_o this_o text._n sect._n 9_o i_o do_v in_o the_o three_o place_n ready_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o apostle_n here_o design_v to_o engage_v christian_n as_o far_o as_o they_o can_v attain_v by_o their_o understanding_n of_o what_o be_v their_o duty_n and_o as_o far_o as_o they_o can_v lawful_o do_v to_o study_v peace_n and_o unity_n as_o with_o all_o man_n so_o with_o the_o church_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n but_o how_o do_v this_o prove_v constant_a communion_n with_o the_o church_n to_o be_v our_o duty_n for_o if_o he_o mean_v constant_a communion_n in_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n we_o have_v not_o attain_v so_o far_o we_o see_v not_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o use_n of_o these_o much_o less_o of_o the_o constant_a use_n of_o they_o and_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o enjoin_v we_o to_o study_v peace_n and_o unity_n that_o way_n i_o shall_v rather_o think_v that_o a_o concludent_fw-la argument_n may_v be_v bring_v from_o this_o text_n to_o persuade_v our_o brethren_n to_o study_v the_o peace_n and_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n by_o not_o press_v we_o with_o these_o thing_n nor_o force_v we_o to_o withdraw_v from_o the_o church_n because_o of_o they_o for_o they_o have_v attain_v so_o far_o they_o know_v they_o to_o be_v indifferent_a and_o so_o unnecessary_a they_o and_o we_o agree_v in_o this_o attaintment_n why_o then_o do_v we_o not_o walk_v by_o the_o same_o rule_n in_o lay_v they_o aside_o and_o mind_v the_o same_o thing_n to_o wit_n the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o our_o own_o enrich_v grandeur_n and_o dominion_n over_o our_o brethren_n but_o if_o he_o mean_v constant_a communion_n with_o the_o church_n in_o the_o orninance_n of_o preach_v 1._o that_o themselves_o hinder_v by_o their_o excommunication_n 2._o that_o be_v not_o duty_n in_o the_o circumstance_n that_o their_o violence_n have_v place_v we_o in_o as_o have_v be_v show_v 3._o that_o can_v not_o conduce_v to_o peace_n and_o unity_n while_o we_o be_v necessitate_v to_o keep_v separate_a meeting_n on_o other_o account_n so_o that_o the_o apostle_n command_n in_o this_o text_n do_v not_o at_o all_o reach_n our_o case_n and_o how_o far_o it_o reach_v the_o imposer_n let_v they_o look_v to_o it_o sect._n 10._o have_v thus_o defend_v our_o cause_n from_o his_o argument_n build_v on_o this_o text_n even_o suppose_v his_o own_o exposition_n of_o the_o text_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o be_v concern_v in_o what_o exposition_n other_o give_v of_o it_o nor_o in_o his_o refutation_n of_o they_o yet_o i_o shall_v take_v notice_n of_o a_o few_o thing_n in_o his_o discourse_n on_o this_o text_n which_o may_v seem_v to_o make_v against_o our_o cause_n and_o 1._o this_o refutation_n of_o dr._n o._n who_o say_v that_o the_o apostle_n understand_v the_o different_a attainment_n of_o christian_n in_o knowledge_n suppose_v which_o they_o shall_v joint_o practice_v what_o they_o know_v and_o bear_v with_o one_o another_o in_o what_o they_o differ_v about_o to_o confirm_v this_o if_o iâ—_n be_v not_o a_o crime_n to_o make_v use_n of_o mr._n pool_n critic_n which_o the_o dr._n object_v to_o mr._n a._n the_o poor_a 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