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A30189	An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.	Ball, John, 1585-1640.; Ashe, Simeon, d. 1662.	1642 (1642)	Wing B558; ESTC R3127	281,779	264

p 32. The practice of the greatest part of the reformed Churches in observing holy dayes cannot commend them in the Church of Scotland 1 Because shee did spue them out wi●h so great detestation that shee is more bound to abhorre them than other Churches which did not the like I may wel apply that to them which Caivin saith of the ceremonies of some to Valentinus Pacaeus Vt concedam faetidas illas sordes quibus purgatae fuerunt Ecclesiae vestrae in rebus med is posse censeri carum tamen restitutio erit res media CAN Stay sect 5. p 75.76 and in some cases necessarie to receive the Sacrament with them that kneel in our assemblies And now consider to whom the imputation of folly boldnesse inconsideratenesse and if you will falshood is justly to be attributed To these particulars I will adde one more whereby we may learne what we are to expect and looke for at your hands I think to make known unto thee thus you write what hapned about seven years past in England There was a Gentleman of Warwickshire by name M. Edward Greswold a man very religious as many besides my selfe can testifie Hee and I being bosome friends or to use his owne common saying our hearts being as Davids and Ionathans knit together upon just cause we both left the parish assemblies He afterward by the meanes of some craftie men was perswaded unto hearing againe upon this he fell into great trouble of Spirit and could have no feeling assurance of any peace with God remaining thus a while at length he sent a letter by his servant unto me the which I have kept a long time by me in this letter he largely acknowledgeth his offence and among other passages writes thus Ah you are happy but I by my fall am miserable and wretched and for the present time I feele my soule to be no otherwise than if I were in Hell c. ever since I went to their assemblies I have observed the Lords hand against me c. Wherefore I beseech you by the mercies of God set a day apart for me and seeke the Lord by fasting and praying that the water-flood overflow me not c. what his refreshings were after this I cannot say the report is that to his changing he had sad and sorrowfull dayes notwithstanding I am confident that his soule is with Christ in paradise As I am writing this I thinke of the words of the Prophet My flesh trembleth for feare of thee and I am afraid of thy judgements He that is wise will consider of these things For as one saith providing before is better than repenting afterward Psal 119 120. Hal. Antiq. Rom. lib. 11 It is no marvaile that false Churches by some are called officina scelerum carnificina sanctorum shops of wickednesse and shambles of the Saints for what can a tender conscience expect in frequenting them but indeed pricks racks and tortures This is your Relation and the use you make thereof But if you know not how it fared with this distressed Gentleman thus it was He shut up himselfe and his children in his house and would come at no man nor suffer any man to come at him lest hee should communicate with them in their sin Sustenance for himselfe and his Children was brought unto them and put in at some hole or window but hee suffered no man to come in to minister unto them no not when his children and he himselfe lay sick in great misery When by order his house was broken open for the Justices of peace in consideration of his case were constrained thereunto two of his children were found dead in the house and one had lyen so long unburied that the body was corrupted and did annoy the roome The Gentleman himselfe sick on his bed in wofull plight His Bible he had gone thorough and cut out the contents titles and every thing but the very Text it selfe This I have received from credible hands and it is a matter known through that countrie where he lived And if you marke it wisely you may see the originall of his sorrow and heavinesse was not from the hearing of the Word in our assemblies but from your principles which he had too deeply drunk in and out of a desire to keepe and observe made himselfe desolate It is very likely he thought with himselfe that if by hearing the doctring of grace hee did communicate with men in their sins much more was guilt contracted by civill conversings And if you will try it in right reason I cannot see how that consequence from your principles can be avoided Now he desirous to stick to what he had learned and not to delude himself with vaine distinctions as too many of the separation doe fel first into deepe perplexitie and then at last came unto that desperate conclusion to shut up himselfe and his children It is one of your principles That all humane devices whatsoever in the worship of God are idolatrous and therefore conceiving the contents of the Chapters and titles of the bookes to be of men hee cut them out And further it is likely he would have gone if his thoughts had reached further in this matter It was your great sinne to perswade him to separation and it is your great sinne now to impute the cause of his sorrow distresse and anguish to his hearing the Word in our societies when as it was the naturall fruit of his rash and sinfull separation or of those positions whereupon his separation was builded wherein if he was not first instructed he had been built up by you Let false Churches be shops of wickednesse and the shambles of the Saints In our societies the doctrine of faith and pietie is soundly and purely taught our adversaries being judges a thousand thousands can testifie by experience what oule-ravishing comforts and sweet communion with God may be had therein When you wrote these things you had just cause to take shame and sorrow that you had brought a poore soule thus into the snare of your seducements but to take occasion thereby to encourage others harden your selfe in an evill way and to revile and slander the heritage of the Lord is an argument of how great perversnesse You are confident he is with Christ in paradise and I will not goe about to lessen your confidence therein But if you may bee confident of him may not we be confident of the Martyrs who dyed cheerefully for the testimonie of the Lord Jesus being professed members of our societies Infallible knowledge of anothers salvation we challenge not but what you can pronounce confidently of one we may with equall or greater confidence pronounce of many who laid downe their lives for the truth of God And therefore the reason drawne from the practice of the Martyrs professing against Antichrist who lived and dyed members of our Societies and are received into glory to prove that our societies are not Antichristian idolatrous

not beene noted for noveltie singularitie and division is to bee received as the undoubted truth of God If these assertions be true then is this condemnatorie sentence most unjust and untrue For not only all old writers generally but the most learned of later times yea and all sects and sorts of people professing Christianitie themselves excepted are against it Therefore did they consider the terrour of the Lord CAN stay sect 1 p. 8. and that great day in which the Lord Iesus shall appeare in the brightnesse of his Father to avenge the quarrell of his least Commandement and to judge the wrongs Gregorie to John the Bishop of Constantinople saith thus Tu q●●● Christo universali ecclesic capiti in extr●mi judicii d●cturus es examine qui cuactacjus membra tibimet conarts universalis appellatione supponere CAN stay against straying sect 1. p. 8 Parker of the crosse part 2. c. 9. sect 2. I may well compare some of unbridled spirits to the Flaccians whose intemperate furie made Ernestus to deale the more hardly with the Protestants out of a fear they were all of the same spirit and would in the end procure like mischiefe Am. Polan in Dan. c. 9. injuries and reproaches which are cast upon his Church and Saints ordinances and worship they would not speake evill of what they know not revile his heritage despise his worship condemn the righteous vilifie the ordinances of grace abuse Scriptures misalledge Authors cause divisions and schismes in the Churches of God distract the minaes of some obstinate others and expose religion it selfe to contempt Let mee speake to them as the great est zealot in that cause at this day speaketh to his opposite in a cause of lesse importance When God ariseth up what will they answer him what will they say when hee shall not onely charge them that they have made a rent in the Church brought an evill report upon his ordinances spoken contemptuously of that which he approved yea commanded and perverted his word for that end and purpose But also that they have laboured with might and maine to draw others into the same transgression by meanes whereof his name is blasphemed the weake scandalized the godly made sad and that which was halting quite turned aside If it be sure that a more grievous punishment is reserved for them that cause others to offend than for them which doe such things themselves let the adviser weigh seriously whether it doth not concerne himselfe as much as any other to tremble and stand in awe It is a vaine boast that at this day there are few CAN say Epis● to the Reader The judgment and practice of some men of speciall account in the Church of God have to this day held this impression in me that I esteem the Captaines and Ancient-bearers of this schisme unworthy the honour of any set conflict and publike confutation S. B. the raising of the foundation of Browne Ep. to the Christian Reader CAN Neces of separa Epist to the Reader Galschill to Martial Epist Omnia invalida nihilo sunt aequi●● paranda if any except Formalists and Familists and men of corrupt mindes who suppose that gaine is Godlines that will appeare in defence of our parish Churches Ministerie and Worship For the professors as he is pleased to stile them are of the same judgement touching those things that formerly they have beene of and stand ready by the Scriptures to prove their godly congregations to be the true Churches of Iesus Christ and their worship to be of his holy institution If of later times they have beene silent in these matters it is not because they are better informed or that they see and acknowledge their worship and Ministery to be fals and idolatrous but they would not spend good houres in vaine seeing what soever was written in this kinde had beene learnedly and sufficiently answered not with reproaches taunts and boastings as is suggested but with solid proofe out of the booke of God Christian Religion teacheth men to occupie themselves otherwise than to mispend their time in answering that which in the eares of all indifferent men carryeth a sufficient confutation with it or is sufficiently confuted already specially when experience had lessoned them that they must deale with such as will overcome by peremptory censuring when weight of reason is wanting to them Neverthelesse If not reply if they please and when they will CAN stay Epist When the undertakers have finished their answer and ●ast Dav. published his many things that he hath to say against it Id sect 4. p. 36. least overmuch silence should be interpreted consent or beget too great confidence in men of the goodnesse of their cause and others should stumble at their vaunts as if none durst because they doe not undertake their answer I am purposed by the grace of God to examine the grounds and arguments whereby they would perswade the Necessitie of Separation from our Assemblies and from the worship of God performed amongst us Sundry things M. Canne requesteth of him that shall undertake to read and answer his bookes CAN stay epistle to the Reader 1 That when he setteth himselfe to read hee should set himself as in Gods presence and look on with a single and unpartiall eye 2 That he live by his owne faith and build not upon another mans fancie 3. That he denie himself and be contented to be guided by God alone 4. That for a particular faile hee doe not condemne the whole 5. That hee change not the state of the Question 6. That he may finde plaine dealing Id. Stay sect 1. p. 2.4.5 Sanctis Scripturis non loquentibus quis loquitur Amb. de vocat Gent. tom 2. l. 2. c. 3. Omne quod loquimur debemus ●ffi mare de Scripturis sanctis Hier. in Psal 98. tom 8. Nihil ultra quamsacris literis proditum est definiendum Erasm in Hilar. Solum Dei verbum certum caetera falsa si d●ssentiant Fer. ad Rom. c. 3. p. 303. CAN stay sect 4. p. 32. sect 1. p. 44. and what is brought against him be read out of the Prophets or Psalmes the Law or Gospell Whether these conditions be observed by the Author himselfe in his writings let the indifferent judge as namely whether passages of Scripture be truly alledged Authors rightly quoted arguments plainly propounded conclusions soundly drawne his adversaries ingenuously dealt withall Whether in writing he set himselfe in the presence of God and weigh in the Ballance of the Sanctuarie what he commendeth unto his Reader Whether he censure not before he make proofe by Scripture and rather insult over his adversaries with insolent and reproachfull tearmes than confute their grounds with substantiall reasons and whiles he commendeth plaine dealing simplicitie and integritie he doe not play the jugler who pretends plainnesse that he might beguile and deceive the sooner For when he makes semblance of zeale for the puritie of religion

CAN stay Epist to the Reader CAN Neces of separation Epist to the Reader wisheth tendernesse of conscience to his Reader ever and anon objecteth to his ●pposites what abominations and vile corruptions they labour to justifie which formerly they condemned beareth in hand that the Scriptures speak expresly for him and the learned of all sorts ancient and moderne who would not expect faire cariage and honest dealing whereas let the whole frame of his writings be looked into with a single heart and unpartiall eye and it will be found wery corrupt loose deceitfull for the matter and stuffed with scorne reproach slander insolency and falsifications for the manner Herein whether I speake the words of truth and sobernesse let the Reader search and then give sentence But for mine owne part I desire to answer in the feare of God and not to strive with him in the like measure of sinning A good cause needs no such tricks of wit but as it is of God so it is able to maintaine and defend it self and the more sincerely it is propounded the more it will prevaile In controversies if men will keepe a good conscience their zeale must be tempered with wisedome truth and meeknesse of spirit they must speake as in Gods presence give the right sense of Scripture and make fit application of it seeke the truth in love and that victorie alone which truth will carrie According to the measure of grace received from God I shall desire to walke within these bounds and with this resolution I come to compare cause with cause and reason with reason Let the Scriptures be the only judge betweene us upon which all a Aug. Epist 48. Audi quid dicit Dominus non quid dicit Donatus c. Et de Pastor ca. 4. Ego vocem Pastoris requir● lege de Psalmo c. Hieron in Mat. 23. Quod ex Scriptura non habet authoritatem c. Basil de vera fide Nos omnem a Dominica doctrina alienam vocem sententiam fugiamus Chr. in 2 Cor. hom 13. Obsecro oro omnes vos ut relinquatis quid huic vel illi videatur de his scripturis haec omnia inquirite Ambr. tom 3. lib. 5. epist 31. Caeli mysterium doceat me Deus ipse non homo qui seipsum ignoravit Petrus de Aliaco praec Gerson Nullum principis edictum aut ecclesiae decretum est justum nisi sit Divinae legi consonum Novum Testamentum est malleus qui universas haereses interimit est velut lucerna lumen exhibens recurrendum est ad folas Scripturas ut aete●nam salutem adipiscamur conclusions in Divinitie if sound are grounded whereby all distinctions if true are warranted After the voice of God in Scripture the determinations and practices of our Guides who are no b Mat. 11.8 Luc. 7.14 1 Reg. 14.15 sc calamus arundincus non aromaticus s●● mensorius CAN stay answ sect 1. p. 47. Howsoever we must live by our owne faith notwithstanding wee are not lightly to esteeme of the determinations and practices of our Guides specially when we know they are no reedes but men stable and unchangeable in the truth Bilson Christian subject part 2. pag. 351. Many Bishops have taught lyes and and seduced Princes in the Church of God and therfore not their dignitie but their doctrine is it that princes must regard for neither prince nor people stand bound to the persons of men but unto the truth of God and unto their teachers so long as they swerve not from the truth Id. Absolute judge of truth neither prince nor priest may challenge to be for God is truth and of God I trust no man may bee judge The sonne of God saith of himselfe I am truth c. Angust de nuptiis ad Valentin l. 2. cap. 33. Optat. lib. 5. ad Parmenian And page 351. Only God is to limit and appoint by his word what shalt stand for truth and what for errour c. And as Bishops ought to discerne which is the truth before they teach so must the people discerne who teacheth right before they believe Idem page 355. As the pastors have authoritie from Christ to preach the truth and woe be to them that resist the preachers of truth so have all hearers both libertie to discerne and a charge to beware of seducers given them by the same Lord and woe be to them that doe it not reeds but men stable in the truth shall be produced for they are not lightly to be esteemed though their consent cannot bee the ground of Divine faith and assurance The Lord in mercie give us to know the things which concerne our peace comfort and salvation and make us wise to walke in all pleasing before him CHAP. I. THe Question betwixt us is Whether by the Scriptures and principles of the Nonconformists The state of the Question Separation from the Church of England be necessary or lawfull Those that hold it lawfull to be present at the preaching of the Word but not to partake in the prayers of the Congregations nor to be present at the Sacraments there administred I leave to their owne defence The necessity or lawfullnesse of Separation is that which I deny Neither is it here questioned CAN. Necessit of Separ Epist to the Reader Whether the principles of the Nonconformists be true and justifiable but whether the necessity or lawfulnesse of separation can truly and justly be inferred and concluded from them This Position therefore I lay downe as directly contrary to the other That separation from the prayers Sacraments and preaching of the Word of God in the congregations and assemblies of the Church of England is unlawful by the Scriptures that whatsoever complaints whether just or unjust the Nonconformists judicious learned and holy have made of the corruptions in our Church government Ministerie Worship Prayers Administration of the Sacrament and people received or permitted as externall members they doe not inferre either in their judgements or in truth a necessitie or lawfulnesse of Separation from our Churches as no true Churches of Christ our Ministerie as false and Antichristian our Worship as Idolatry And therefore I shall shall hope such as have separated unadvisedly if men of tender hearts they will repent of their rashnesse seeing the grounds where upon they build are rotten the building ruinous and the practice directly tending to the scandall of Religion and discomfort of their soules And now I proceed in the feare of God by the beames of Truth to try and examine what is objected to shew the necessitie of Separation from the Nonconformists principles SEC I. TO Communicate in a false Ministerie CAN. Neces of Separat ca. 1. S. 3 pag. 26 27. The Church acts of Antichristian Ministers are Idolatious Id. Stay sect 1. pag. 5. s 4. p. 28. Id. Stay Answ s 5 pag. 66. Mat. 24.5.24 Hos 4 17. See Jun. on the the place See

or standing of honour in the house of GOD have they cause to aske pardon of this also if they shall thinke their ministerie may be effectuall to the faithfull A Minister lawfully called say you according to Christs institution is incontinently upon his outward lawfull calling a true Minister let his practices afterward be good or bad Put case then the Church should accuse such a Minister utterly neglecting his charge or inclining to say Masse and Mattens or loose and scandalous in behaviour as unworthie his place and office have they just cause to crave pardon of him because they acknowledged him to be a Minister but unworthily Many abuses not to be tolerated may cleave to the Ministery when the ministerie it selfe is not to be cast off as altogether ineffectuall SECTION 9. CAN Necess of Separ pag. 27.28 The Learned generally affirme Rhem. anno● in I● 10. anno 1. and in 1. Cor. 10. Sect. 22. that it is unlawfull to communicate in a false ministery Par. Com. in Matth. 7.15 All those without doubt are to bee taken for deceivers who take upon them the office of teaching without a true calling and a little after he saith That so much being discouered 〈◊〉 Christian must 〈◊〉 hid ●are against them Dow. in a Reg. 5. v. 19. and Psal 15. p. 56. Admon 1. to the Parliament p. 27. T. C. reply 1. pag. 83.155 CAN. Stay p. 5.62 63 71 113 118 119 c. and flye from them as from Wolves Muscul●● in Matth. 7.15 saith the like Cope in Prov. 10.20 speaketh as much and giveth this reason for it because they destroy both bodies and soules of a● many as e●t her be●eeve or reverence them Zanch in Phil. 3.2 Ralloc com in 1 Thes 5.11 page 228. Riv. in Psal 16. page 52.53 Oecolamp in Isa ●●2 fol. 20. Cal. in Psal 16. Fen. in Song 1.6.7 Cornel. a Lapid Com. in Iohn Ep. 2. page 505. saith False Ministers are favoured and approved in their unlawfull way when they are bound● Par. in Hosea 13.2 Sedul in 2 Reg. 5. M●●ty loc com●p 119 Virels Grounds in lib. 2. p. 103. Zanch in ●rac 3. p. 534. ANSWER Blaming your Treatiser that he comes so naked into the field CAN Stay Sect. 12. p. 119. you say I never saw in my life an error held by a man of Learning that hath lesse brought to countenance it than this For whereas others doe commonly quote Scriptures albeit mis-applyed and alledge for themselves the judgements of other men Hieron in Psalm 5. Omn● qui ma●è intillig it Scripturas in via Dei corruit He goeth not this way to worke And better it is to goe plainely and simply to worke in the defence of his cause than to wrest Scripture mis-alledge Authors and abuse a show of Learning to seduce and beguile the simple But you have made choyse of the more common though the most sinfull course You pretend Scriptures but handle them amisse Quote Authors but chop and change their words force them to speake what they never meant and when all is done they will bee found to make nothing for but direct against you Ambr. Intus in animo perdant modo victores abscedant CAN. Necess of Separ p. 227. Tertul. de Virgi veland If Christ w●re ever afore all the truth is as ancie●● and everlsting You make use of Logicall Maximes and Theologicall Principles but your mistakes are grosse and palpable in the application of them Some men you say in matters of controversie care not though they lose the peace of Conscience so they may gaine their supposed victory And if you have not offered violence to your Conscience in those writings you have not advisedly considered what you have done To make this manifest in some particulars not formerly mentioned It is an infallible Ma●ime you say as Doctor Vsher and others observe out of Tertulli●n Whatsoever is first that is truest and what comes after is adulterate CAN. Stay sect 2. p. 14. Vsher de Christ Eceles success stat c. 1. p. 19 Field of the Ch. lib. 2. c. 5. page 49. CAN. Stay sect 2. p. 11. For with reverence to the phrase From the beginning it was not so Basil ep 79. Non est aequum ut quae apud ipsos obtinuit consuetudo pro lege canone habeatur rectae doct inae Henry Answ first ans p. 31. I grant your Church is ancient but I deny it to be most ancient seeing then the most ancient by your own grant is most true c. CAN. Stay sect 4. p. 27. T. C. repl 1. p. 79. D. T. W. The Doctors of the Synod 5.6 Warres are judged by their causes and not by their consequences Bilson Christian subject part 3. page 201. The first in any kind or sort of things is truest and best so Field This is spoken of the prime first originall being of each thing which is a sure proofe of goodnesse and perfection For all defects found in things are swarvings declinings and departures from their originall and first estate For truth is before false-hood and good before evill and habite before privation But you miserably apply that Rule to the first judgment of the separated Church in London concerning the hearing of the Word preached in our English Assemblies as if it must bee truest because it was first and their after judgement adulterate because it followed You distinguish not betwixt the effect and the event which I will not say was done ignorantly or unadvisedly To reason from the effect of things you say is unsound and unconcludable by the Scriptures This is as if a man would say the Midwives which lyed to Pharoah did much good to the Israelites c. And then you goe forward to produce testimonies that things are to be esteemed by their causes and not by the event and that things are not true because usefull But your Pistoler argueth from the effect not from the event from the proper effect not the effect by accident as you might easily perceive but that you tooke liberty to deride what you could not answer Thus he argueth The Doctrine taught in the Church of England is the sound and true doctrine of salvation profitable to beget faith and to build men forward unto life eternall not by accident but of it selfe and is ordinarily blessed of God to that end and purpose Therefore it is not unlawfull to heare the word preached in their assemblies What you talke of Caines murder Iudas his Treachery the good that comes by Schismes and Heresies is only to please your selfe with by-matters for the argument is drawne from the proper effect in respect of meanes instituted appointed and blessed of God This Canon is true if truly applyed and rightly limited CAN. Stay sect 4. p. 20. and sect 10. p. 111. parium par ratio est contrariorum eadem est ratio But as you apply it no good Logician would acknowledge it For though the

their servant from whom you derive your office and authoritie and from whom you receive your Commission your Ministery in that respect is no lesse false and antichristian than theirs that derive it from the Bishops Secondly If Lecturers have received ordination from the Bishops and be called and chosen by the people their calling is just and lawfull according to the rules of Scripture and their Ministery heavenly and from above if they preach the intire faith and feed the flocke of God For they preach the pure doctrine of salvation not by authoritie from men but by commission from the chiefe Shepheard and Bishop of our soules their calling may be justified by the Word and warrant of truth which shall stand for ever the more hainous and fearefull is your sinne in matching the Ministery of such men to the idolatry of Jehu Thirdly You are bold to affirme That no Church under Heaven hath power from Christ to ordaine such a kinde of Ministery c. And it is true the Church hath no power to ordaine any Ministery for Christ is the Author and institutour of the Ministery for his Church But your meaning is That this kinde of Ministery is against the Scripture not ordained and then if we call for your proofe we have nothing here but I deny it Can. Neces of Separat pag. 217. You take up Mr Br. how well it becomes you let the Reader judge as a bold Sophister because he makes flat deniall of expressed truthes As thus I say it is false I deny it c. As if the weight of an argument were sufficiently removed by empty denials But when you should make proofe of what you affirme it sufficeth you to say I deny or this proves it not or I have proved from their writings when you have falfified them onely And if an empty deniall be not sufficient answer to an empty affirmation it is very strange Bilson Christ subject par 1. p. 41. I may justly say to you as Dr Bilson to the Papist whom he answered If great vaunts were sound proofes the victory were yours you have words and cracks at will they cost you nothing SECT III. THat it is so I prove it thus Neces of Separat pag. 53. That Ministery is unlawfull which none may lawfully give But none may lawfully bestow the Ministery of a Lecturer Therefore that Ministery is unlawlawfull The Assumption for shame cannot be denied if the nature of it be considered For as we but even now said their Lecturers take no charge of a flocke upon them they make covenant we●h the people but for a certaine time the peculiar worke of a Minister is not by the people laid upon them weither expected of them If any object that they preach the Word To this Dr Ames gives an answer fully that the preaching of the Gospell is not a worke peculiar to a Minister for such as are private men and out of office may and ought to preach the Word as occasion is offered and not onely privately but saith he in the publique Congregation c. ANSVVER VVE have here the same thing over againe and when all is said it is but this I deny it or I say it The assumption cannot for shame be denied The proposition rightly understood is true and sound but it may carry divers constructions As first the meaning may be That Ministery is for substance unlawfull which none may lawfully give to such or such persons scil to such as be unfit or prophane And in this sense the proposition is not sound For the Ministery is unlawfully committed to an ungodly man an hypocrite but the Ministery it selfe is heavenly and from above Or the sense may be That Ministery is unlawfull which men may not lawfully give virtually or formally And then it is weake For Pastours and Teachers are the gifts of Christ unto his Church from whom they receive their office and not from men Or it may beare this sense That Ministery is unlawfull which none may lawfully give in such forme and manner as it is executed And then it is lyable to exception For of right the power of administration of the Seales and Censures of the Church belong to the Pastours Teachers and Governours of the Church when in the execution of this office they may be hindred It is lawfull to be an assistant or helper to a Pastour for a time when it is not lawfull to give the office of Ministery to a man for a time onely and then to expire To the assumption The Lecturers of whom we speak have derived their office from the Lord Jesus Christ by the Ministery of his Church as instruments their entrance into it lawfull the service and worke it selfe holy the manner of performing it warrantable and the authoritie they have received the same which Christ hath communicated to the Ministers of the Gospell To publish the truth by way of instruction or exhortation is not peculiar to the Ministers of the Gospell but by authoritie 〈…〉 ●●culiar to the Minister For the Scripture joyneth together the preaching of the Word and dispensation of the Seales as both belonging to the Officers Math. 28.19 1 Cor. 1. who have received commission from Jesus Christ And if private persons may preach the Word in this sense we see no reason why they may not administer the Sacraments likewise and so the Governours of the Church shall have power to doe nothing which every private member of the societie may not doe as well as they But Lecturers preach the Gospell by authoritie and as men set in office by the Lord of the harvest And this may suffice to shew the vanitie of such exceptions as are taken against our Church Ministery and worship to prove it to be no true Church worship and Ministery and how untruly and unjustly the Nonconformists are charged to lay the grounds of that 〈◊〉 and affected Separation which some have run into To examine what argument is returned to Dr Ames Mr Daw Mr Br is needlesse for nothing of weight is said against them but the same things vainly repeated with insolent scoffes and reproaches as if by evill speaking you hoped to get the victory It is to be observed generally you say Can. Neces of Separat pag. 211. that those which stand for bad causes doe after this sort still reproach the Adversaries Thus doe the Papists the Protestants so the Protestants the Puritanes and so they us as here and in other writings usually Now I would entreat you to review your two books and speake in good earnest whether in scoffing reproaching falsifications you doe not ordinarily exceed all men that ever you met withall Consider seriously and then let conscience be Judge whether it be the note of a good or evill cause c. FINIS A Table of some principall Points handled in this Treatise In the first Part. Concerning a false Ministerie and communicating therein p. 3 4. Nonconformists lay not the grounds