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A96893 Inquiries into the causes of our miseries, whence they issue-forth upon us: and reasons wherefore they have born us down so low; and are like to carrie us yet lower. The Independents and the way of worship, they stand-up for, is renderd clear of this grievous charge... This charge is drawn-up against the Independents, by three worthies, men, I think, of name, all (I) D.P.P.W. Pryn Esquire; but more fully and with more devouring words, if more can be, by Dr. A. Steuart in his last book... In six sections. Whereof the first onely is here; a just vindication of the way of worship very commonly misunderstood; very falsly interpreted; but very truly called Independent... By Hez. Woodward.; Inquiries, into the causes of our miseries. Part 1. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675. 1644 (1644) Wing W3491; Thomason E22_1; ESTC R21697 22,269 25

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my words more than another neede to doe yea and abominate such words also all and every one which have such an Aspect upon my brother but I say again and I say truly I have not yet found any such word in my booke but I can too easily over-looke my own words or actions as an unfit Judge in such matters Yet let me tell you what I ought to doe and what I would doe so I shall the better argue against my three brethren hereaster That if I were to speake to Turker or Jewes Atheists or Papists the most untoward and roughest men in the world yet I would render my words as smooth as oyle and as s●ft as Butter that the men I speake unto might know in their hearts and be perswaded in their soules that I have no war against them in my heart no but that I keowing the terrour of the Lord doe seeke their peace their soules peace that I would perfwade with them for their everlasting good And by this means J would hope to make my words keene in the hearts of our Lords and His Christs chiefest enemies and if J had a word from the Lord by the grace of God that J would fet-on with all my might but with the spirit of meeknesse We have an excellent patterne for this To speak so to my Brother as that my Brother may perceive that I would do● him good with all my Heart and all my soule For so the high God the great Lord of heaven and earth Even so he speaketh to his poore servants I will doe you good sayes He with My whole heart and My wh●le soule Oh the goodnesse of God! His kindenesse to his creatures so he treates with men O! blessed be His name Have these three servauts of the Lord imitated their Master I should not put it to Question for past all Question they have done cleane contrary What the good King said in the Anguish of his Spirit the same these men have said in the tartnesse frowardnesse eagernesse Isa 38. of their own 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 bitternesse bitternesse bitternesse in their tongues and that could not be but when there is more in the heart aboundance of bitternesse there whence it is that their pens have beene dipped in vinigar and steeped as in gall bitternesse bitternesse as if they intended not as sure they did not to informe their brethren and recall them from error if in any they are but to inbitter their spirits and give them a bill from their hands in full assurance that they will endeavour without the grace of God to discover and lay open their brethrens nakednesse to all the world with their whole heart and with their whole soule Is this to imitate the Lord God Father of mercies God of all Consolations To put this out of question I le say this more that there is not a man on this side our narrow seas whose hand has appeared for the Presbyterian way of Church Government not one man except that excellent man Mr. Herle it were a notable indignity offered unto him not to except him that has not bent the same hand against his brethren making his words sharp as arrows shot-out against their very faces I had almost said and hearts too so giving all the vvorld to knovv I speak my jealousie at least that their passions are strong but their cause is weak But this I know That we have not so learnt the Lord Christ This is not after our Lords manner nor after the Customes of the Churches of God I have said vvhat I have to say touching this filthy and putred matter vvhich like a box of the vilest and impurest oyntment is suffered to run abroad through Church and State to fill the house there vvith its filthy savour I le close this box vvith this stopple it may be of use to stop the mouth against devouring words Such kind of vvritings or Reasonings savouring so strong of flesh and blood vvill never do the world good to make them knovv they lie in evill Nor the cause good mightie Adversaries thereunto nor the Church good To make them knovv their sins and confesse their errors never do the State or Church good this vvay vvhile the world stands unlesse by accident as the Logicians say i e by the wise disposing and gracious ordering of an Almighty hand so they shall do all good But not per se as vve say not by their own naturall working vvhile the world stands And when the vvorld must fall to peeces and the Things there crumbled all to nothings and the persons there must render an account of all they have said and done then these kind of writings will be bitternesse bitternesse Their Authors shall taste if they repent not of their own Gall and wormwood there vvhich they themselves have put-in and it shall be their drink and portion for ever Then the tongue which was seton fire of hell and repented not shall have Hell and fire long enough as long as eternitie is long for ever and ever It is a sad period I will not put Amen to it my soule deprecates praies against this end But I le pray in prayer if I could in prayer I would pray Lord give the brethren all foure I might say fourescore here and there and every where give them Lord repentance for all their hard words and ungodly deedes against the brethren the faithfull servants of the Lord Amen make them Lord as all the Tribes shall be all one as one stick in Thy hand to beate away the doggs and swine All as one assembly of Saints built-up as a Ciey that is compacted together or as a house founded upon the Rock of Ages fast and sure for ever notwithstanding the fierce windes great rains and water-flouds for this Rock is our Rock He will be our guide even unto the death 1 Pet. 3. 8 9. Finally be ye all of one minde having compassion one of another be as brethren be pitifull be courteous Not rendring evill for evill or rayling for rayling but contrarywise blessing knowing that ye are thereunto called that you should inherit a blessing FINIS
I went in obedience thereunto craving a licence though I think it my due and ought to be given me but could not obtain it The truth is If the Book bear Independent upon its front and be thought to speak for that way which God Himself will cleer and justifie before all the world it is silenced before it speaks And so is dealt more injuriously with than have been the greatest offenders in the world for they have had leave to speak for themselves in all ages of the world upwards to as it is at this day It is replyed That writing for this way of Church Government does but hinder our course in the way of Reformation making the Divisions greater and the Rent wider I answer If I were perswaded so I would rather put my hand in fire then unto paper But I am perswaded in my heart clean otherwise and by the grace of God shall be able to make it appear in the sequell all along It is said agen These are my thoughts that this scrible will do no hurt will not make the rent wider my Judgement onely I answer not mine onely I have asked advise about it enquired seriously into the matter and why should I be ashamed to say more I have given up my judgement unto the Lord and I have this answer from him and assistance from his right hand so guiding mine That I shall so I hope and am confident speak nothing which shall dishonour his holy holy holy name nor his cause nor his people the congregations of God I have a sober confidence that I have licence from Gods hand and shall keep close to the word of his mouth and therefore sith I could not have a licence from man I can be carelesse of it That it may not be said I am ashamed of my name for indeed I am not being it was a very good mans name which yet I know cannot make the man the better I have for commanding reasons affixed my name though very unwilling to appear so openly as I was most willing to do with a Licenced But the want of it can be no shame to me some little blame rather to him who would not give it me having no time to enquire into the papers as some too superstitiously perhaps but their superstition teacheth were wont to do to enquire into a paper which lay as low as their foot before they would put their foot upon it with neglect lest the name of their God or something of God should be there Certainly the Name of God is here and I will not doubt to say again I have His Licence to print it But the great stop was because this answering is like to cause answer upon answer I answer God knows that and will turn all to good I am a free man and may take my liberty not standing charged as servants do not to answer again And indeed I cannot conceive what they can answer unlesse as some did who had spoke roughly enough and being modestly reproved for being so rough answered as roughly that sith their hand was in they were resolved to put it forth again as roughly as ever As pleaseth men let it be but if I am honoured with any answer from a Doctor for the other that learned and excellent man I hope his apprehensions are more digested now and he has repented of them that they were indeed subitan but for the Doctor I hope he will learn at length to reprove his Brother modestly and meekly and then I shall accept his reproof with all thankfulnesse but if any roughnesse appear as it hath to others which I must rather expect his reproof will do me no good I shall sleight it sure putting it to some privy shame or open reproof And so much touching licencing books and my want in that particular And so I come to that my soul does more desire to give you satisfaction in according to the Scriptures of God and to unfold your understanding First touching the true sense and meaning of these words Dependent and Independent as I find them legible and explained through the Doctrines and Conversations of those men amongst us called by that name Briefly now and as is best fitting this place Dependent is a learing upon the Lord Christ the onely Beloved of the soul upon His hand for strength upon His mouth for Direction It is a setting-up the Lord Christ as King yea it is the advancing of the Lord Christ in all His offices King Prophet and Priest to in and over His Church the souls and spirits of men It is a cleaving of the soul to Christ a closing of the heart with Him saying Thou Lord art my Righteousnesse and my strength and my wisdome and my glory and my crown of rejoycing This is to be Dependant when our Lord Christ who is All to the soul has all its Dependence And this is to give the Lord God His due the glory of all His attributes specially these two the glory of His power and of His wisdome And to the Lord Christ King of Saints His dues the glory of all His offices anointed of the Father King Prophet and Priest of His Church And hence I issued my thoughts and thus concluded That the people no matter whether many or few poore or rich learned or unlearned Master or Disciple that the people we call Independants are the most Dependent persons in the world This is the sum I shall return to this again Now to the other word 2 Independant What is that I le tell you what it is in the judge●ent of they say as good a Logician as is in England now he is here I le name him for honour sake Doctor Adam Steuart adding onely this the Lord adde to His Logick that one thing necessiry which one man cals Baptized Reason He and we mean sanctified by the Word and prayer in the Holy Ghost and then he will be good indeed Pag. ●8 This man saies A That Independent is a proud and abominable word proper to God Almighty B It is granted so to be as He consters the word and in vulgar construction also as we silly men understand it too that to be Independent is to be as an Island cut off from other Land to live as men turned-in-upon themselves regarding themselves bearing fruit to themselves as an empty vine to Nemini fructuosa Hos 10. 1. do as they list speak as they please to hold out and maintain what Doctrines agree best with flesh and blood and to spread them abroad before Israel and before the Sun under the very look of the Magistrate What has he to do with them Be they Jews or Gentiles Turks or Infidels Atheists or Papists be what they will be as abominable as they are rendred to be or as we can conceive them to be why yet it is their conscience so to be and what hath the Magistrate to do there or with them So Dr. Adam Steuart forceth matters against these