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A15697 The fore-runner of Bels dovvnefall wherin, is breifely answered his braggnig [sic] offer of disputation, and insolent late challenge: the particularties [sic] of the confutation of his bookes, shortly by goddes grace to be published, are mentioned: with à breife answere, to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of papistes by papistes them selues: and lastly à taste. Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye, with som few examples. Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name. 1605 (1605) STC 25972.5; ESTC S114156 24,220 62

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sinceritie to conuince him of many coseninge trickes sundrie notable lies and diuers grosse corruptions Let him therefore proue his frendes and procure that it may be obtained vvith those equall cōdicions vvhich vvere graunted to the Protestants in the presence of the French kinge And if any intreaty vvil farther so honest a suite vvhich to him if his harte and pen agree together can not but be grateful and imbraced vvith all the povvers of his soule then I request him of all curtesie and for that comon good vvhich may redound to many earnestly desire him that he vvil straine his creditt if it be not at the highest and in danger of breaking that vve may meete in the listes and make experience quid possit vterque vvhat either of vs offensiuely and defensiuely can performe If he stande vpon his punctoes and disdaigne all humble kinde of proceedinge as nothing fittinge his braue braggarie nor his mountinge and ouerlookinge humor thinkinge it smale reputation to combatt with abase peticioner then to keepe proportion to answere his vaine and also not to giue one inche of ground in the quarrel of gods truth for who is this vncircumcised Philistian that hath dared to rayle vpon the armye of the liuinge god I challenge this challenginge cowarde dare and redare this daringe dastard that he wilfor the honor of his cause the creditt of his learninge and defence of his braginge and insolent bookes labour effectually that we may in manner aforesaid grapple together Yf he refuse this condicion so reasonable so iuste so indifferent no remedy but I muste come vpon him with à lawe case of nouerint vniuersi Be it knowen to all men that the date of his learninge is out his great and flowinge courage daunted and drawen drie proclaime him cōtemptible and banckrout hauinge broken with his owne dependants and creditors and expose him for a iestinge stocke to all Christian people from generation to generation world without end Amen That Bels bookes haue longe since receiued their answere with the particuler contents of the same and though vpon iust occasion it hath hitherto bin suppressed yet shortly by gods grace to be set forth CHAP. III. VVHeras Bel hath passed hitherto vncontrolled and vvithout ansvvere partly for that by some of iudgmēt not any vvas thought necessary of such course stuffe be they made partly for other iuste reasons hereafter more at lardge to be handled the minister maketh his comoditie thereof and vvould haue the vvorlde to thinke that not lack of good vvil but vvant of skill hath made Catholikes so longe silent and all this to alienate mens mindes from the faith of their forefathers as a religion that cannot stande in feilde againste him and for that cause hath bin vtterly left destitue of all defence And albeit he had intelligence by a Catholike booke as him self confesseth sett out in then'de of the yeare 1602 that the confutation of his vvorkes vvas vndertaken and to be published if it should be thought conuenient and one parricular point in the same touched vvhich did not alitle vvringe his mastership on the vvalles though he set agood face on the matter and for the ease of his stomake entertained the said booke vvith the eloquent flovvers of Shameles pamphlet Sourrilous libel and a rude lyinge hotch-pot of omnigitherum reuelleth also at the author him self tearminge him in the lenity of his spiritt Swaggeringe diuine Shameles calumniator sowle-mouthed swaggeringe diuine impudent lyer and brasen face yet by no meanes vvill he beleeue that there vvas euer any such thinge intended indeede Iust as the false Prophetts persvvaded the Ievvs that the kinge of Babilon vvould not come vpon them nor their countrye and therfor to haue it giuen out that there is any such confutation he reputeth it but for adeuise to dazell as he saieth the eies of the simple readers and of others that shal heare thereof that they may stil be scduced with popish legierdemaine from time to time and not behould the sun shininge at noonetide who all in the end must receiue the iust rewarde of their follie euen the slapp of a fox tayle Thus the minister is pleasant recreateth him self and his readers with his merry conceites but if in conclusion the confutation doe come forth as by gods grace it shall with that conuenient speed which the time and other occurrents will permitt is he not then like those that leremie speaketh of proued a false Prophett and doe not they that beleeue him as I thinke there be very few let him prattle what he liste shew them selues very sillie sheepe to follow such a bel-weather and that they must in the end receiue the iust rewarde of their folly euen the blessinge of an Asse tayle Agayne in the very same place dispairinge euer to see the effect of any such attempt he lamenteth his distressed case in this dolefll manner No no my dearest they meane nothinge lesse They wil neuer while I liue publish any such confutation their owne consciences condemne them they knowe they are not able to performe it I would most gladly I protest before god and the worlde once see any such confutation duringe my life Surelie he is much to blame to discomfort him self without all cause He may very wel liue to see it and yet die sooner much then he would Let him not be dismayed for I can assure him of myne owne knowledge that our consciences doe not condemne vs neither doe wee knowe that we are not able to performe as great a matter as that To giue the more creditt to my wordes and somwhat to reuiue his dead spiritts I will here giue him a note of the nomber of the bookes and their particular contents They be in all Fiue written againste his motiues and Surueye fiue yeares agoe The first booke contayneth many of his notable vntruthes corruptions and falsifications The second presenteth a gallant and desperate fraye betwixt the reformed minister of Bascall and Thomas Bel preacher of the worde all the clubbes in London being not able to part them For such a grace he hath in writinge that he falleth into grosse contradictions and what he saieth in one place not feldome he vnsaieth in another The third handleth a couple more of extra ordinary and choice contradictions worthie for their dignitie to haue a speciall place by them selues In the first which hath diuers proofes he condemneth him self and his owne congregation the defence whereof he hath vndertaken for the maintayners of false hereticall and blasphemous doctrine A pointe worthie to be considered of by his bretheren for he giueth them moste iuste cause to suspect him of playinge bootye and that his hart is still an harbourer of Poperie or at leaste not replenished with the liuely liquour of the new gospell And though he laboureth to purge him self of that suspition and sweareth deuoutly yet may they come vpon him as those caterpillers did vpon S. Peter
THE Fore-runner of Bels Dovvnefall Wherin is breisely answered his braggnig offer of disputation and insolent late challenge the particularties of the confutation of his bookes shortly by goddes grace to be published are mentioned with à breife answere to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of Papistes by Papistes them selues and lastly à taste Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye with som few examples Ierem. 51. v. 44. I wil visit Bel vpon Babilon and cast forth of his mouth that which he hath swallowed vp and the gentils shal no more flocke vnto him and that because the wall of Babilon shall fall downe ANNO M. D C. V. THE FORE-RVNNER OF BELS DOVVNEFAL The vaine and foolishe title of his booke with a note of a quadruple deuise which he vseth to winne him self credit and to endomage the Catholike cause CHAP. I. THERE came lately to my handes a certaine booke presented the last Easter tea●me to the viewe of the worlde by one Thomas Bell long since à Minister after that a Preist and for some yeares past and at this present Sicut erat in principio as it was in the begininge a Minister againe in which state he meaneth constantly to continue vntil the Lord by new reuelation shal otherwise dispose of his person The title of his booke looketh bigge as though it had eaten buls-beife and accordinge to the comon sayinge as the Deuile lockt ouer Lincolne and is readie to quarrel with any Papist whatsoeuer this it is The Downefal of Poperie proposed by way of a new challenge to al Englishe Iesuites and Iesuited or Italianized Papistes daringe them al ioyntlie and euery one of them seuerally to make answere thereunto if they can or haue any truth on their side knowinge for truth that otherwise al the worlde wil crye with open mouthes Fye vpon them and their patched hotch-potch religion This name of his booke by al probabilitie was giuen by the godfather when he was in the ruffe of his roperye and came hastely into the kitchin from some homely place where a bad sent had intertained his smellinge instrumēt daungerous in these times of infection for an emptie stomake and not findinge there any meate meete for his ministerships mouth but only an odd hotch-potch fel into some cholerike pange in which distemperature returninge to his studye the title was begotten for otherwise why him self being à patched minister created of two recantations should cal our religion à patched hotch-potch I cannot see nor I thynke him self hauing yet the eies of two ministres and one Preist Our church hath not stoode simperinge in a close pot or poore pipkin no man can tel where for I know not for how many hundred yeares together as their cōgregation hath which though falsely pretended is the best cloake they can finde to couer the shame oft hir naked continuance but hath alwayes borne saile in the sight of the worlde maugre the malice of the deuile and al the tempestes of persecution that the furies of hell could raise Neither is our religion patched together of many mamockes of olde stinkinge heretical assertions as their faith is where denienge of prayers for the dead and the appointed fastes of the Church borowed from Aerius scorninge of reliques scoffinge at inuocations of Saintes reiectinge voluntary pouertie and allowance of Preistes taken from Vigilantius raylinge at the holy Crosse and sacred Images receiued from Iulian the Apostata and miscreant Mahumetanes and diuers other such like fragments scraped together be in their congregatione entertained for heauenlye articles and so whether it may not truly be tearmed à patched hotch-poch religion and godles galimamphorye of a new gospel I leaue to indifferent iudgment Diuers other bookes in former times hath he also diuulged for he had rather be ill occupied then idle each of them one so like another that any man may easely knowe them to be puppies of one litter sundrie puddles stewinge from one sincke In al which the principal scope he outwardly aymeth at is the ouerthrowe of Poperie as he speaketh and the aduancement of the truth but whether any Pharaisaicall makinge broade his phylacteries and enlarging his fringes the loue of the first places at suppers and the first chayres in the Sinagoges and salutations in the market place and to be called of men Rabbi hath also his share and diuide stakes that is councel to any and a mysterie so secretlye carried that it is without the compasse of al humane diuination for the happie effecting of these his designements and to procure credit with his readers for I thinke he hath litle with his hearers like an olde soldiear and beaten Captaine he vseth many stratagems but especially fower The first is to prouoke to challenge to dare al learned men to the combat for would any man in his wittes make such an offer were he not moste assured of victory and to triumphe ouer the Romans that haue so often triumphed ouer others The second is with great sorrowe of sowle to lament that he can get no answere to his bookes and vtterly to dispaire euer to see any such thinge effectually attempted an euident demonstration that they be of rare erudition and truth in his side The third is an inuection if we liste to beleue him of his owne as Thraso said in Terence and that is to ouerthrowe papistry by papistry it self and to ruine our saith by the principal professors and patrons of our religion Mary god blesse vs from this Bell for neuer was there such à peale runge in our dayes or in the dayes of our forefathers The fourth and laste is his saint-like protestation of sincerity vpright dealinge and hādlinge al thinges accordinge to equitie and conscience These be the mayne bulwarkes of his bookes framed by this excellēt engenite both to defend them selues and to batter vs Al which not withstandinge are nothinge els but skearcrowes painted paper walles seeme they neuer so terrible to simple soules Spiders webbes are strong ynoughe to make bootye of flyes and gnattes weake nettes to catch swalowes and greater birdes And I wil not deny that he might with some pretie credit haue tampered amonge litle ones who are soone scandalized but when wich phantastical conceit he supposeth that he can contriue the ruine of gods Church or confounde al learned Catholikes whatsoeuer Sutor vltra crepidam the Cobler is beyond his shoe and he doth walke as the Prophet saith in great and wonderful thinges aboue him self His malice is great but his power nothing corespondent He is a curst cowe but with short hornes wherfore let him striue againste Catholike veritie struggle with God and Church war against heauen repentance god graunt that not fruitles wil be the end of his labours and perpetual disgrace without diuine amendinge grace the iust rewarde of his vvorkes If any ouerswaied with a false weeninge thinke otherwise let him haue a litle patience voutsafe the reading 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