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A66530	The lying spirit and false aspertions turned home again, or, An answer to two reviling letters about the peoples right to tythes sent to the people call'd Quakers in the Vail of Bellvier by Clement Nedham, a Presbyterian, who writes himself, a farmer in the county of Leicester : wherein I have shew'd according to scriptures, what spirit it was that brought up tythes among the Christians, so call'd : and that those that brought them up since Christ put an end to them were not in their right senses, but were made drunk by drinking of that spirit of error that made them do they knew not what, and consequently their examples not to be followed : with an addition, shewing, that the impropriator hath less right to tythes then the poor or priest, if less can be : with a few words in love to all those that send their sons to those places called universities, with an intent to make them ministers : also a copy of a letter sent to G.N. in manuscript, wherein his unhansom and unchristian-like dealings may be seen : with a short postcript to the reader / by J.W. ...	Willsford, John.	1673 (1673)	Wing W2872; ESTC R40124	16,433	28

Servants of the Lord. The Quakers have not forgot how you carried away as your own the Crime that is laid to them their Pots and Pans Hay and Corn and put the Servants of the Lord in Prison when they could not feed your Lying Prophets or when they spoak to them in the Steeple-houses But the Lord brought you down and the Quakers and Tremblers at the Word of the Lord whom ye derided stand as Witnesses against you So C. N. thou and thy Party may take this to your selves to the Shame and Infamy of your whole Profession For Persecution is a Shame and Infamy to any Profession whatever And have not you Presbyterians hid your selves as in an Inner Chamber when a Storm hath come But when the Sun hath shined and the Storm been over like Snakes ye have come out of your Holes witness John Woodhouse's Meeting and thine C. N. at Wortenby and at Salxelby in Leicester-shire near unto us we have seen your Devised Service often blasted according to C. N.'s Belief Again In try 13th page thou sayest And now my Friends if you are convinced that Tythes are none of yours consider think it not sufficient to expiate your Guilt by saying in your usual Language Let them that are free to pay Tythes pay them Answ It seems thou thinkest thou hast done something as thy words and now my Friends imply But I must tell thee We are convinced that we have as good right to the Tenth Part as we have to the other Nine and that for these Reasons First Because Christ fulfilled and put an End to that Law that gave Tythes as before I have proved Secondly Those that brought them up again were made Drunk by drinking of the Whore's Golden Cup which was full of Abominations within and consequently their Examples are not to be followed Thirdly We believe That every part and parcel of our Lands is our own so far as our Deeds and Leafes make mention and the Increase is God's lent to us And we are commanded Not to spend our Money for that which is not Bread and our Labour for that which satisfieth not Isaiah Chap. 55. And I must tell thee We are not satisfied with the Priests neither do we believe that they can give us the Bread of Life and therefore we cannot pay them Again Thou biddest us Turn to the Light or Law in our Consciences and then tell thee whether the following Conclusions must not necessarily fall to the Shame and Infamy of our whole Profession Answ Before thou callst it a Pretended Light and now dost thou directest us unto it but it matters not what thou callest it we know it to be true Light and have turned to it and we find that thy Conclusions do not fall upon us but we see that thou art like the Persecuting Jews who numbred Christ among Thieves and would rather have a Murderer or a Malefactor to live then he And what was the Cause of the Jews Envy against Christ Was it not because they thought in their Dark Imaginations he did something contrary to their Law It is like if one should have asked them Who made their Law they in their Dark Hellish Natures would have said God gave it to Moses and Moses said in the four and twentieth Chapter of Leviticus and the sixteenth Verse He that Blasphemeth the Name of the Lord shall surely be put to Death And was not this the Crime they laid to him But God forbid that I or any true Christian should believe that these words concerned him so as to ensnare him although they in their Dark Minds might so understand them And C. N. What is the Cause that thou countest us more Criminal then common Notorious Thieves Is it not because thou in thy Dark Imaginations thinkest that we do something contrary to Law But if one should ask thee Who made thy Law thou condemnest us by Sayest thou Such and such Popish Kings made Laws for the Payment of Tythes and you Quakers Refuse to pay them and therefore if Ignorance will not nothing else can excuse you before God or Man from being more Criminal then Common Notorious Thieves And here art not thou worse then the Jews who pleaded a Law that was before the Papists though they understood it wrong Thou sayest Might not Popish Kings do what they would with their own I answer Yes But the Increase of our Labour and Flocks and Fields that God blesseth unto us this year was not theirs to give that dyed Hundreds of Years past And did not Persecutors plead Law in all Ages against the Innocent and for their Mass and other things and thought they went right when they had Law on their sides Search Scriptures and Chronicles and see if it were not so And do not the Persecutors plead Law now for the taking away of Goods and that from some of you called Presbyterians And may not some in Ages to come upon the same Ground that thou pleadest for Tythes plead it Right according to Law to take away Goods if any meet together to Worship God if he prevent it not Oh! that men should be so blind to plead against themselves But thy Pleading signifies a Daubing In the 14th page of thy Book thou sayest Our usual Demand what Scripture can be produced to prove any Examples for Paymen of Tythes to Gospel Ministers Answ Thou seemest to sleight us for so doing and what a Stir have the Presbyterians made about calling the Scriptures the Word and Rule and now if one speak according to them he is counted as one that seems to have neither Common Sense nor Reason or at best a Confident Weak Defendent witness thy Reviling Postscript concerning my first Letter thou sayest VVe ignorantly deny Scriptures to be the Rule to try and distinguish betwixt True and False Spirits But whither art thou gone Thy Nakedness of Pretence to Truth is exposed to censure through thy own Ignorant Folly What are all the Pleaders for Tythes driven out of the Scriptures And are they forced to flee to the Humane Law Presbyterians What is the Bible become of no use now Must not the Pope's Authority be questioned It is enough to believe as your Mother Church believes Whither are you running Come back again come back again for shame else the Lord will follow you and ye shall not have a Hiding-place it is the Word of the Lord in my Heart to you all that you may be warned C. N. demands of us VVhether Scripture Example be not equal binding to people as well as Ministers Answ That Example of selling all and laying down at Ministers Feet is not binding Acts 5.3 4. Peter said to Ananias VVhy hath Satan filled thine Heart with a Lye to the Holy Ghost whilst it remained was it not thine own and after it was sold was it not in thine own Power So see this Example was not binding the Sin lay in Lying against God in pretending to give All and yet kept a Part back

chargeable to any 1 Thes 2.9 Acts 20.33 34. Then I also believe That if they be so called forth in the Service of the Lord from their outward Callings as that they cannot labour with their Hands to maintain themselves or Families that then they may reap Carnal Things where they have sown Spirituals or where they have planted a Vineyard they may eat Fruit or where they have fed a Flock they may eat Milk But the Jews were not to take Tythes of Strangers the Priests were not to receive Wages of them they did no Work for for that is counted unreasonable among men to ask Wages of them they do nothing for But the Power of God compels them that are in it if Need be to administer Carnal Things to those that sow unto them Spirituals and there needs not an Outward Law to compel to it for their Ministry takes Effect and begets a Love and a Life in the Hearts of their Hearers but a Dead Ministry begets neither Love nor Life in the Hearts of people and so such Ministers are forced to cry out for an Outward Law to compel people to maintain them in Pride and Idleness and Welfare contrary to Paul's Exhortation to Timothy 1 Tim. 6.7 8. who said We brought nothing into this World and it is certain we can carry nothing out having Food and Rayment let us therewith be content But these are not so content but have great Revenues as is well known And are not these Revenues the Cause why so many men send their Sons to those Places called Vniversities which makes our Nation swarm with so many Locusts that destroy our Corn and would devour every Green Thing in God's Garden and preach Peace to people in their Sins while they put into their Mouthes and so cause them to Err Mic. 3. and keep from the Light that gives the Knowledge of God and of his VVayes and call it Delusion and so keep people in the Erring and Straying from the VVay of God like lost Sheep This is one Cause why we can pay our Rents to Vitious Landlords or Papists and yet can't pay Tythes to the Priests for they are Upholders of them in their Wickedness if they will but satisfie their Ends and many of them are Evil Examples themselves Another Cause why we can pay our Rents to Vitious Landlords or Papists but cannot pay Tythes to the Priest is because we usually come into Covenant with our Land-Owners to pay them Rent but so we do not to the Priests to pay them Tythes Yea and we can pay our Chief Rents and Taxes to the King Christ said Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar 's and to God the things that are God's but never commanded his Disciples to pay or take Tythes And were not Tythes God's Malachi 3. And when he ceased requiring of them did they not become the people's Right C. N. pag. 13. tells us a Story of some Conference he had with some of our Perswasion in London some years since whether True or False I cannot tell however he seems to take Occasion against the Light in our Consciences and saith Though I grant That the True Spirit of God cannot Deceive yet a Lying Spirit was in all the Mouthes of Ahab 's Prophets and I pray you saith he think it not Impossible that such a Spirit may be in you while yet you think you have the True Answ And now seeing he sayes so I think it not amiss to consider the Fruits and the Effects of the False Prophets in whom the Lying Spirit was and is that so we may know it where it appeareth now or where it hath appeared in late years The False Prophets Encouraged Ahab saying Go up to Ramoth-Gilead and Prosper for the Lord shall deliver it into the Hand of the King Michaiah the True Prophet said to the King A Lying Spirit is in the Mouthes of these thy Prophets and the Lord hath spoken Evil against thee Then Zedekiah the Son of Chenaanah the False Prophet came near and smote Micaiah upon the Cheek and said Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee And Micaiah said Behold thou shalt see in that Day when thou shalt go into an Inner Chamber to hide thy self Then the King said Take Micaiah and carry him back unto Ammon the Governour of the City and say Thus saith the King Put this Fellow in the Prison and feed him with the Bread of Affliction and with Water of Affliction until I come in Peace And Micaiah said If thou return at all in Peace the Lord hath not spoken by me Ahab Disguized himself yet a certain man drew a Bow at a Venture and smote him between the Joynt of the Harness that he Dyed 2 Chron. 18. 1 King 22. And was not this many of your Cases who are called Presbyterians when ye were exalted in your Power Did you not carry away as your own the Bishops Lands Gleab-Lands and some Men's Free Estates which was theirs by a Law the Crime C. N. layes to the Quakers and exalt your selves in Pride by them and forget the Lord Of which things you cannot accuse the Quakers since they were a People For as they were Convinced of God's Truth they left you and bare their Testimony against you and many of them you put in Prison and fed them with Bread and Water of Affliction and some Dyed in Prison by Reason of Hard Usage And did not those Prophets in whom the Lying Spirit was preach Peace to you in all these things and encouraged you to go on as Ahab's Prophets did Then did the Lord raise up many True Prophets and sent them among you who told you If you went on in Self-endedness Pride and High-mindedness ye should be broken witness George Fox the younger who told you AS YOU HAD BEATEN HEWED AND BROKEN OTHERS EVEN SO SHOULD YOU BE BEATEN HEWED AND BROKEN YOUR SELVES And did not this come to pass Yea and this with much more stands in Print over your Heads at this day And did not the Teachers of the Nation Encourage you to go on and petition against the Quakers calling the Truth Heresie And how did they flock to Richard Cromwell and called him Joshua who should carry them into the Promised Land which was but Tythes and Augmentations But alas how did the Lying Spirit deceive them and all that believed them and their Prophecying insomuch as that all their Harness would not save them from God's Arrow And how did those hid themselves that had smitten the True Prophets and fawn and flatter and walk disguisedly like Ahab and some put on a White Surplice on the top of a Black Coat to save themselves So I hope People will see where this Lying Spirit was and is C. N. granteth the True Spirit cannot Deceive so the Prebyterians and their Priests may take the Lying Spirit home to themselves and be ashamed that ever they Beat Imprisoned Whipped and Stocked the True Prophets and