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A75876 The address and petition of Mr. George Seton the delegate of the jurant Episcopal clergy in the north with some reflection on the same, by a person qualified according to law, and sincerely weell [sic] affected to this church. Unto His Grace John Earl of Tullibardine, His Majesties High Commissioner. Seaton, George, d. 1704. 1695 (1695) Wing A538A; ESTC R230065 10,337 8

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Presbyterian Brethren desired to discourse of Church-affairs as private Persons with Mr. Seton and his equal number His Grace's being taken up with the weighty Affairs of the King and Parliament might have pleaded with Mr. Seton not to give him the trouble to do that which would at all time be an unsuitably mean employ for him and which might with more ease and charity on Mr. Seton's part been sought of his Presbyterian Brethreen who had he asked the same of them would not have refused him none of them yet have and I am confident of many of them at least never shall But Mr. Seton it may be doth think he and his Constituents will have greater Advantage by making a braving offer of a Conference which he concludeth will not be granted him by the thing it self It 's somewhere else than either with his Grace or the Honourable Estates of Parliament that he expects his Petition will have charming Influences he hopes the Charms and Powers of his most commanding Eloquence will take where a just and true Representation of the Practices and temper of his Partie will not be so diligently communicate and ushered in with such Pomp and Fast of Words I doubt Mr. Seton's design when he so unequally demands a Conference betwixt an equal number of us and our Presbyterian Brethreen seing the Government of the Church is settled in the Hands of Presbyterian Brethreen by Law and they in a fixed Possession of the same and acting therein with that success as is the envy of Mr. Seton and his Constituents and such as with the blessing of God will in a smal time fill these Vacancies which the disloyaltie and prophanity of these who were Mr. Seton's old Friends and Allays have made in his Countrey with men I hope of another stamp Mr. Seton knoweth the Parliament as well as the Church hath laid down another way of Application than the demand of a Conference of an equal number as if his gang and the Church were on equal Terms But he hath in some measure gained his Point if he make some in another Countrey believe that the Episcopal Party are still so considerable in Scotland as that notwithstanding the Government of the Church hath for several years been settled in the hands of Presbyterians and been countenanced and cherished by the State yet they think it their due due to their greater numbers better cause and most commanding Eloquence to demand of a High Commissioner and in the view of a Parliament who have so much Favoured Presbytrie such a Conference He knoweth that in this Countrey it will not take The Parliament and Church have determined concerning the goodness of his cause and he speaks sad truth when he says their commanaing Eloquence will be damped and foild by the Blemishes of their own lives and when the Numbers of his Constituents shall be enquired into he cannot let see so many Duzons of them qualified according to Law even with the Civil part of Qualifications as there are Hundreds of his Presbyterian Brethereen And some of his Constituents lying under the just Censures of the Church whom after they had not the confidence to defend themselves at the Bar he now brings in as his Brethreen to confer as recti in curia I will not alledge that some others of his Constituents are persons who doe like ways well deserve the highest Censures of the Church but some of these few of his Brethereen who go under that Character of being Qualified according to Law stood accused of the grossest 〈◊〉 of Drunkenness Swearing and Uncleanness before a Judicatory of this Church which their tender Consciences thought it not fit to appear befor eand owne as a Judicatory and there appeared little difficulty to prove the same And if Mr. Seton have not these Men to make up his Constituents he hath but a very small Number I doubt still that a Conference is really designed because if it be something then must be proposed by Mr. Seton to put a desireable period to these Schisms Now it s easier for Mr. Seton to soare in the Clouds and keep in the Generals then come to particulars It seems that the Wisdom and Compassion of our King and Parliament hath not yet found out the true Remedies to heal our Wounds Mr. Seton hath not confidence that the Authority of publick sanctions will be effectual though I am of the opinion that a just and Charitable Execution of them would mightily contribute to our Peace you 'l find the Parliament must alter their Terms and yet that would not do to satisfy Mr. Seton and his Men but this I dare say would effectually quiet and excite him to new Anthems the change of the present Government the Re-establishing of Bishops and all the old Clergy would recover an once Flourishing Church from its Desolations then a a pure and peaceable gentle and easy Government would possess the Throne but as yet the King and Parliament seem not thereto enclin'd Mr. Seton must propose some other thing What if peaceble Mr. Seton desire to put a period to the Schisms by this means That every Man and every Minister might have the Liberty to follow their own Inclination and these who desired Bishops and Episcopal Clergy might not be deprived of so great a Blessing and Mr. Seaton would be so Charitable at least for this Session of Parliament as to allow some Angry zealous Bigots a gentle touch of Presbytry providing it offended no body and then when every body got their will all would be pleased But I am of the opinion more peace then that would produce may be had at an easier rate In short So many difficulties arise in any particular Grounds for a Conference and Mr. Seton will be in such a strait to get his Charity to his own Constituents on the one hand so largely extended as to secure them be their Immoralities what they will from the cloutches of angry Zeal and his Complisance on the other hand is such as not directly to spit in the face of Authority Civil and Eclesiastick tho he be ready enough to spurn at them with his Heels that I believe if you 'l let the peaceable man alone he will not much press a Conference he hath made the offer printed his Petition sent it up last Post to London he hath waited as long as he thought fit and the care of the Church will call him home But before he go I would let him and his gang see that all Presbyterians are not so full of angry Zeal as not in some measure to be Easie and Gentle and therefore I would charitably advise him and his Friends to lay aside their Illegal as well as Unchristian combinations to Re-establish Episcopacy in Scotland which Tyranny now called Jacobitism and Prophanity will always attend Let them by their practices and temper shew some of that Charity and Peaceableness his words pretend to let them strive and endeavour in Preaching of the Gospel to come to their Flock in the demonstration of the Spirit and of Power rather then with the Charms and Powers of most commanding Eloquence let a Gospel-adorning conversation manifest that there is some thing of the Life of Religion amonst them and for my part they shall be dear to me and honoured by me though they should never come to be of the same judgment as to the Government of the Church And if any of them by the Grace of God working in their Hearts manifest such a Disposition what ever their former Actions and Opinions have been and desire to be sharers of the Government of the Church thereby only designing to be in a better capacity to propagate the Gospel destroy Atheism curb Prophanity Banish Irreligion and heal the Wounds of this Church if they then be not welcomed by Church-Judicatories it will be time for them to complain of the want of Charity But if after all the Experiences both Mr. Seton and his Constituents and his Presbyterian Brethereen have got that the present Church Government hath made the most vigorous opposition to Atheism Profanity been the most faithful Asserters of the Truth and strongest Bulwarks against Popery Socinianism Arminianism and all other Errors and is founded on the most lasting 〈…〉 of Union and Peace Men will 〈◊〉 refuse to embrace these just and reasonable Terms settled by the State and Church and oppose this poor Churches wrestling out of the Ashes to which Religions Enemies had reduced Her and delay Her Triumphing over all the Works of Darkness I appeal to God the Searcher of all Hearts to Angels and Men to our Gracious King to His Grace His high Commissioner to the Estates of Parliament and to the Consciences of our Enemies if the Presbyterian Ministers and the Church-Judicatories ought in Charity to bear the Burthen of the Blame