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A04434	The svmme and svbstance of the conference which, it pleased his excellent Maiestie to haue with the lords, bishops, and other of his clergie, (at vvhich the most of the lordes of the councell were present) in his Maiesties priuy-chamber, at Hampton Court. Ianuary 14. 1603. / Contracted by VVilliam Barlovv, Doctor of Diuinity, and Deane of Chester. Whereunto are added, some copies, (scattered abroad,) vnsauory, and vntrue.	Barlow, William, d. 1613.	1604 (1604)	STC 1456.5; ESTC S100949	36,617	118

complained of and that none except it vvere such as D. Reyn. who were supposed would confute them had libertie by authoritie to buy them Againe such books came into the Realme by many secret conueyances so that there could not bee a perfect notice had of their importation Secondly to the particular instaunce of Ficlerus hee saide that the author De iure c. was a great Disciplinarian whereby it did appeare what aduantage that sorte gaue vnto the Papistes who mutatis personis could apply their owne argumentes against Princes of the Religion but for his owne parte hee saide hee detested both the Author and the Applyer alike My Lord Cecill here taxing also the vnlimited libertie of the dispersing and diuulging these Popish and seditious Pamphletes both in Powles Churchyeard the Vniuersities instanced one lately set forth published namely Speculū Tragicum which both his M tie the L. Henry Howard now Earle of Northampton termed a daungerous booke both for matter intention the Lord Chauncellor also diuiding all such bookes into Latine and English concluded that these last dispersed did most harme yet the Lord Secretarie affirmed that my Lord of London had done therein what might bee for the suppressing of them and that he knewe no man else had done any thing in that kinde but he At length it pleased his excellent Maiestie to tell D. Reyn. that hee was a better Colledge man then a Statesman for if his meaning were to taxe the Bishop of London for suffering those bookes betwixt the Secular Priestes and Iesuites lately published so freely to passe abroad His Maiestie would haue him and his Associates to know and willed them also to acquaint their adherents and friendes abroad therewith that the saide Bishoppe was much iniured and slaundered in that behalfe who did nothing therein but by warrant from the Lordes of the Councell whereby both a Schisme betwixt them was nourished also his Maiesties owne cause and Title handled the Lord Cecill affirming thereunto that therefore they were tolerated because in them was the Title of Spaine confuted The L. Treasurer added that D. Reyn. might haue obserued another vse of those Bookes viz. that now by the testimony of the Priestes themselues her late Maiestie and the State were cleared of that imputation of putting Papistes to death for their consciences onely and for their Religion seeing in those books they themselues confesse that they were executed for treason D. Reyn. excused himselfe expounding his cōplaint not meant of such bookes as had beene printed in England but such as came from beyond the Seas as Commentaries both in Philosophy and diuinitie And these were the partes of the first head concerning puritie of Doctrine Touching Pastors Resident Learned To the second generall point concerning the planting of Ministers learned in euery Parish it pleased his Maiestie to aunswere that hee had consulted with his Bishops about that whome hee found willing and readie to second him in it inueighing herein against the negligence and carelesnesse which hee heard of many in this land but as Subita euacuatio was periculosa so subita mutatio Therefore this matter was not for a present resolution because to appoint to euery Parrish a sufficient Minister were impossible the Vniuersities would not afford them Again he had fouud alreadie that hee had more learned men in this Realme then hee had sufficient maintenance for so that maintenance must first bee prouided and then the other to bee required In the meane time ignorant Ministers if young to be remoued if there were no hope of their amendment if olde their death must bee expected that the next course may bee better supplyed and so concluded this point with a most religious and zealous protestation of doing something dayly in this case because Ierusalem could not be built vp in a day The Bishoppe of Winchester made knowne to the King that this insufficiency of the Cleargie bee it as it is comes not by the Bishops defaultes but partly by Lay Patrones who present very meane men to their Cures wherof in himselfe hee shewed an Instance how that since his being Bishop of Winchester very fewe Maisters of Artes were presented to good Benefices partly by the law of the land which admitteth of very meane and tollerable sufficiēcy in any Clearks so that if the Bishop should not admit them then presently a Quare impedit is sent out against him Here my Lord of London kneeling humbly desired his Maiestie because hee saw as hee saide it was a time of mouing Petitions that hee might haue leaue to make two or three First that there might be amongst vs a Praying Ministerie another while for whereas there are in the Ministerie many excellent duties to be performed as the absoluing of the Penitent Praying for and blessing of the people administring of the Sacraments and the like it is come to that passe now that some sort of men thought it the onely dutie required of a Minister to spend the time in speaking out of a Pulpit sometimes God wot very vndiscreetly and vnlearnedly and this with so great iniury and preiudice to the celebratiō of Diuine seruice that some Ministers would be content to walk in the Churchyeard till Sermon time rather then to be present at publke Prayer He confessed that in a Church new to be planted preaching was most necessarie but among vs now long established in the faith he thought it not the onely necessary dutie to bee performed and the other to be so profanely neglected and contemned VVhich motion his Maiestie liked exceeding well very acutely taxing the hypocrisie of our times which placeth all Religion in the eare through which there is an easy passage but Prayer which expresseth the heartes affection and is the true deuotion of the mindes as a matter putting vs to ouer-much trouble wherin there concurre if prayer be as it ought an vnpartiall consideration of our owne estates a due examination to whome we pray an humble cōfession of our sinnes with an harty sorrow for them and repentance not seuered from faith is accounted and vsed as the least part of Religion The second was that till such time as learned and sufficient men might bee planted in euery Congregation that godly Homilies might be read and the number of thē encreased and that the Opponents would labour to bring them into credite againe as formerly they brought them into contempt Euery man saith hee that can pronounce well cannot indite well The Kinges Maiestie approued this motion especially where the liuing is not sufficient for maintenance of a learned Preacher as also in places where plenty of Sermons are as in the Citie and great Townes In the Countrey villages where Preachers are not neare together hee could wish preaching but where there are a multitude of Sermons there he would haue Homilies to bee read diuerse times and therein hee asked the assent of the Plaintiffes and they confesse it A preaching Ministery

in meane while conferre vvith them and if they vvould not yeeld vvhatsoeuer they vvere to remoue them after their time expired No sooner was that motion ended but downe fals M. Knewstubs and hee requestes the like fauour of forbearance for some honest Ministers in Suffolke telling the K. it vvould make much against their Credites in the Country to be now forced to the Surplis and the Crosse in Baptisme My Lordes Grace was aunswering Nay saith his Maiestie let me alone with him Sir saith the King you shew your selfe an vncharitable man wee haue here taken paines and in the end haue concluded of an vnity and vniformitie and you forsooth must preferre the Credites of a few priuate men before the generall peace of the Church this is iust the Scottish argument for when any thing was there concluded which disliked some humors the onely reason why they would not obey was it stoode not with their credits to yeeld hauing so long beene of the cōtrary opinion I vvill none of that saith the King and therefore eyther let them cōform thēselues that shortly or they shall heare of it My Lord Cecill put his Maiestie in mind of a word his Highnes had vsed the day before namely of Ambuling Communions saying that the indecency thereof vvas very offensiue had driuen many from the Church here M. Chatterton vvas told of sitting Communions in Emanuel Colledge vvhich hee saide vvas so by reason of the seates so placed as they be yet that they had some kneeling also Finally they ioyntly promised to bee quiet and obedient now they knew it to be the Kinges mind to haue it so His Maiesties gracious conclusion was so piercing as that it fetched teares from some on both sides My Lord of London ended all in the name of the vvhole company with a Thankesgiuing vnto God for his Maiestie and a prayer for the health and prosperity of his Highnes our gracious Queene the yong Prince and al their Royall Issue His Maiestie departed into the inner Chamber all the Lordes presently went to the Councell Chamber to appoint Commissioners for the seuerall matters before referred FINIS The Preface MAny Copies were sent me wherof some were so shamelesly vntrue and I assure you so obscaene that I think his Maiestie would haue bene as much offended with me for Printing as with the Authors for dispearsing them I haue chosen three of the best and cleanliest which doe here vnder follow I giue no censure neither know I the Dispearsers let the Reader conferre and iudge Rectum est iudex sui obliqui The first Copie Ianuary 15. 1603. SIr I cannot conceale from you the good successe which it hath pleased God to sende vs by the Conference which his Maiestie had with the Bishops at the court There appeared none but the Bishops which were with the King aboue three houres Can. Lon. Wint. fell downe on their knees and desired that all things might remaine least the Papists should thinke we haue bene in an error The King replied that in 42. yeares corruptions might creep in He spake of cōfirmation priuate Baptisme the Crosse dumbe Ministerie non residence the Courtes which he promised to amēd especially he spake bitterly against priuate Baptisme saying hee had as liue an Ape as a woman should Baptise his childe and against Courtes which hee saide he would put downe The Lo. chiefe Iustice and the Lo. Cecil against Excommunications by Lay-men Maister Deane of the Chappell speaking something to the King in his eare the Bishop of London insolently said vnto him Doctor Mountague speake out that we may heare you and seeke not to crosse vs. At their departure they said that if the King should vse the Ministers in such sort as they were vsed they would be too insolent The King said they were his subiectes and if hee would not heare them then they had iust cause to complaine The Bishops brought foorth many Popish arguments which the King very ernestly answered and learnedly more then tenne times calling them Popish arguments and saide by those reasons they might prooue Popery The Bishop of Winchester saide that if he tooke away priuate Baptisme he ouerthrew all antiquitie The Bishop of Peterbrough brought a foolish argument with much disgrace to himselfe The Bishops haue taken Wednesday to consider of the Kings speech The Ministers came to the King on Munday at nine of the clocke Honest men about the Court are comforted Conformitans hang down their heads and the Bishops men curse the Puritanes sic explicit 1. dies Another Copie I Haue sent you the declaration of the Conference which was in this manner The firste day the Bishoppes mette before his Maiestie Bishops of Canterburie London and Winchester making earnest sute that all things might stand as they did least the Papists should take offence who might say we would perswade them to come to a Church hauing errors in it and the Puritans will say they haue bin persecuted long The King answered that the best state would gather corruptions and that it was no argument for them to say they would not be cured of the pox because they had had it 30. yeares he concluded against absolution confirmation priuate Baptisme the dumbe and scandulous Ministers pluralities the Courtes and the authoritie of Bishoppes by the high Commissisners c. The second day the Ministers were conuented before the King who answered fearefully modestly the Bishop of Lon. behaued himselfe insolently saying these are Cartwrightes Schollers Scismatikes breakers of your Maiesties lawes you may know thē by their Turkie gownes and silke Turky Grogorum The third day they met all where the King spake much to vnitie that they might ioyne against the Papists All the three dayes the King behaued himselfe admirable to the beholders graunting to the Ministers their earnest request that the Ceremonies of the Crosse in Baptisme and the Surplises reuerent for antiquitie should not be vrged vpon the consciences of the Ministers so that they were peaceable mē and that they should haue time to consider of them many hundreds being resolued rather to haue lost their places then to haue yeelded to those superstitions against which they had Preached The last day the Bishop of Cant. was intreated to be a meanes that the ceremonies might not be pressed but he answered they had bene vrged as necessary and should be so still But it pleased God to moue his Maiestie to a more peaceable course the Bishop of Peter-borow came in with his argument about Baptisme which the King made voide to his great reproach The King saide many times that the Bishoppes reasons were popish and that they might establish Poperie by them it is thought that the King will be shortly in Huntingtonshire The Lord Chancellor the Lord Cecil the Lord chiefe Iustice and the Atturnie Generall must set downe some course for the high Commission and the Spirituall Courts A third Copie Some of the speeches that are bruited vpon Maister Doctor Reynoldes returne to Oxen. concerning the late Conference before his Maiestie 1 THat the Kinges Maiestie did gratifie Maister Doctor Reynoldes in euery thing which he proposed or that Doctor Reynoldes obtained and preuailed in euerie thing he did desire 2 That if anie man reporte the contrarie hee doth lye or that they should giue him the lye from Maister Doctor Reynoldes 3 That these thinges now obtained by the reformers were but the beginning of reformation the greater matters were yet to come 4 That my Lord of Winton stoode mute and said little or nothing 5 That my Lord of London called Doctor Reynoldes Schismatick indeede he thankes him for it but otherwise said little to purpose 6 That the Kings Maiestie vsed the Bishops with very hard words but imbraced maister Doctor Reynolds and vsed most kind speeches to him 7 That my Lo. of Canterbury or my Lo. of London falling on his knees besought his Maiestie to take their cause into his owne handes and to make some good end of it such as might stand with their credite Archiep. Can tuar 2 Deanes of Ep. Londl Christchur VVinchest VVindsor Archdeac Nottinghā and mine owne Prou. 30 1● 13. 14 Pro. 25. 11 Iohn 1. 5. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 1 2 3 4 1 1 2 3 2 3 4 1. Cor. 14. Act. 21. Other Copies haue the Bishop of Winchester