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A00273 A dialogue or Familiar talke betwene two neighbours co[n]cernyng the chyefest ceremonyes, that were, by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde, suppressed in Englande, and nowe for vnworthines, set vp agayne by the bishoppes, the impes of Antichrist: right learned, profitable, and pleasaunt to be read, for the comfort of weake co[n]sciences in these troublous daies. Read first, and then iudge. 1554 (1554) STC 10383; ESTC S115543 27,807 78

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Israel but it is thou O Achab and thy fathers house Osee iiii viii that haue forsakē the lord your God and haue serued Baal So Nicholas lay the fault wher it is worthy to be layed and doubt ye not Prou. i. but the day is at hand except ye repent that as ye now cast away God and his word so wyl god cast you away and as he called to you and ye would not hear him so shal you cal to him Pro. xviii and he will not heare you And you that haue stopped your eares that ye might not hear the law God shal stop his eares frō you your praiers shal be accurssed Nich. Tush care not for that God was neuer better serued thē he is now Mattins euensōg masse goodli sōg with prycksong organs we do all good thinges as we were wont to do Oli. Yea yea ye serue him as ye list and not as he commaundeth For he commaundeth you to beleue in his sonne and to folow his holy word but thys ye leaue vndone then ye pipe hym a daunce on the organes Nicho. Ther is nothing pleaseth the. Oli. what can please ani Christiā hart when he seeth gods worde set aside and contemned But Nicholas ▪ wherefore serueth holye candels Nich. To light vp in thūder and to blesse men when they lye a dying Oliuer The true light for thē that lie a dying is to know the sweete promises of Iesus Christ howe he dyed for our sinnes and purchased for vs resurrection and life that euery one that beleueth vpon him should not perishe but passe from deathe vnto lyfe As Christe saith Iohn xi I am the resurrectiō and lyfe he that beleueth in me although he were dead yet shall he liue and whosoeuer lyueth beleueth in me he shal neuer dy Ioh. viii And againe Christ saith Verelye verelye I saye vnto you if a man kepe my sayinges he shall neuer se death Iohn vi And againe in the gospel of S. Iohn Al that the father hath geuē me shal come vnto me him that cōmeth vnto me I cast not away For I came downe frō heauen not to do mine owne wil but his wil that sent me And this is the fathers wil whych hath sēt me that of of al which he hath geuen me I should lose nothing but shoulde rayse them vppe agayne at the last daye And thys is the wyll of hym that sent me that eueri man that seeth the sonne and beleueth on him haue euerlasting lyfe And I wyll rayse them vppe at the last daye Thys lyghte so comforted Dauid that he sayed Psal xxvi The Lord is mi light my helth whom shall I feare And agayne Yf I shoulde walke in the myddest of the shadowe of deathe Psa xxii I wyll not feare euell for thou O Lord art wyth me Thys lyghte cōforted old Simeō that he said Lord now lettest thou thi seruant depart in peace Luke ii accordyng to thy word c. This holi candel shone so bright in S. Paules eies that he said Phill. ii I long to be dissolued and to be with Christ This is our defēce against the thunder claps of gods wrath that falleth vpon sinners And wher this holy light of gods worde shineth Ioh. viii men walke not in darkenesse but haue the light of life But wher this is not what can thy holy candel do but light the into a wrong belefe so lead the into the darke dongeon of hell wherefore serueth holye palmes Nich. To make crosses to bear in our pursses and to set vp vpō our windowes and dores that the diuel come not nigh vs nor into our houses Oliu. what if the deuil be in the house or euer the crosse be set vp Nich. Then let him flye away on the diuels name Oli. How shal he flye out seing the doores and windowes be so crossed that he dare not come nie them Shall he creepe into the benche hole or fly out at the top of the chymney Nich. He maye if he list for I beleue he hath no power to comeny the holy crosse Oliuer what if a crosse were set there made of an hasell sticke or of an vnhalowed palme wer it not so good as this Nich. No mary were it not Oliue why so Nich. For this made vpon Palme sundai in the passion time of halowed palme Oliuer Se the craftie diuel ▪ and how the people are deluded with blinde guydes The old church kept a memorye the sūday before Ester how Christes glory was openly receiued acknowledged among the Iewes when they met him with date tree bowes and other faire bowes and confessed that he was the sonne of God commen into the worlde to saue mankinde and the gospel declaring the same was apointed to be read on that day But nowe our blind leaders of the blind toke away the knowledge of this with their latine processioning so that amonge .x. thousande scarce one knew what this ment They haue their laudable dumme ceremonies with lēten crosse vptide crosse and these two must iustle til Lent breake his necke Then cakes must be cast out of the steple that al the boyes in the parish must lie scambling together by the eares ▪ tyl all the parish falleth a laughīg Nic. By our Lady I haue laughed well at it ere this Oliu. Yea Nicholas I warant the the deuil laugheth ful merily that he coulde with suche preatye toies mocke out Christes gospel And then where the auncient fathers apointed the history of Christes passiō to be read that it being wel knowen vnto the people they might the more depelier weigh the causes of the same and profit that cōmeth vnto mankind this the deuil his ministers mocked out with the latin tong whiche many times neither the priest nor people vnderstode But Lord what Apes play made thei of it in great Cathederal churches Abbaies Nich. what did they there Oliu. One comes furth in his albe and his long stole for so they call their girde that they put aboute their neckes thys must be leashe wise as hunters weares their hornes This solempne syre played Christes part a gods name Then another cōpanye of singers chyldren and al song in priksong the Iewes part And the deuil the deacon I should haue said read the the middel text Nicho. what dyd the prest at the alter al this while Oliu. He stoode mum and played Iudas that betrayed his Mayster And in the meane time because it was teadiouse to be vnoccupyed suche playne soules as thou art made crosses of palme to set vpō your dorss to beare in your purses to chace awai the diuel god beforen Hath not our spiritualtie well ordred this matter trow ye to turne the reading preaching of Christes passion into such wel fauoured pastymes But tell me Nicholas hathe not thy wyfe a crosse of palme aboute her Nich. Yes in her pursse Oliuer And a go on
A DIALOGVE OR FAMILIAR talke betwene two neighbours cōcernyng the chyefest ceremonyes that were by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde suppressed in Englande and nowe for our vnworthines set vp agayne by the Bishoppes the impes of Antichrist right learned profitable and pleasaunt to be read for the comfort of weake cōsciences in these troublous daies Read first and then iudge From Roane by Michael Wodde the .xx. of February Anno. Domi. M. D.L.IIII A TALKE BETWENE OLYuer a professour of the Gospell and Nicholas noseled in the blynde superstitions NIcholas Good morow gossyb Oliuer God gyue you good morow good Nicholas whyther away so sone this morning Nicho. To church man heardest thou not the bell ryng to masse Oliuer Ye were not wont to be so hasty a morninges to churchwardes Nicho. No for when we came ther ther was nothing to do but to heare a priest babble But now I thancke God I may se my maker againe Oliu. Your maker Nicholas who is that Nicho. The great apple maker of holdernes Oliu. Apple maker ye mean God do you not Nicholas Yes marye do I. Olyu Then I perceiue that so long as Gods commaundementes were read in the Churches ye counted it bablyng neither delited ye in hearing thē but now ye haue somwhat to gase at that pleaseth ye But Nicholas I haue heard it said that no man euer saw God wyth his mortall eye Ex. xxxiii Iohn i. Nicho. Yea these heritickes tell vs so but I trust to see a good mani of them fry a faggot for this geare yet long Oliu. Are ye there now Nicholas I had went ye had loued and fauoured the word of God set out by our late most gratiouse vertuouse innocēt king Nicho. So I dyd as long as he lyued but now that he is dead I wil do as most men do so shal fewest men wonder at me Oli. In veri dede it is a politique worldli saying but Nicholas thynckest thou that god is dead Nic. Nay by my fayth Oliu. what and God wonder at the to se the so vnconstāt and vnstedfast waueryng as the wynde as a weathereocke doth that stādeth vpō the steple Nich. Ther are no weathercockes then one Oliuer Yea Nicholas that I thincke and mo then stand vpon steeples also but we shuld not do as the most do but as the best doeth Nich. So do I for I do as the richest in al the country doth and as all the greatest learned men do in al the countrey Oliu. Rytches are a good gyft of God but when they preuaile and to much addict a mans hart vnto them they make the same skant a good man Neyther are the greatest clearkes the wisest men alwai nor yet the best But they be the best that prefer gods honour before all thynges and that constantly abyde in the truth therof how soeuer the rytchest men greatest clerkes turne them selues frō it And this I meruel with what faces men can looke to be accompted Christians that deale so vnfaithfully with Christ For eyther they tooke it for the truth that was set out amongst vs or for an vntruth Yf they tooke it for a truth why do they now vntruly go from it as though there wer no truth in it Yf thei knew it to be no truth but false doctrine why dyd they not as Christen mē defend that doctrine which they knewe to be a truthe Nich. They durst not for fear Oliu. wo worth that feare that putteth away the feare of God notwythstandyng ther was no suche cause of feare For al the raigne of that most gratious king their raigned mercye pitye long sufferaunce and patient abyding for amendes euen of them that when thei were confuted so that neither their wit nor learning was able to withstand the truth yet maliciously they would not consent nor agree vnto it but outwardlye afore men to flatter those that were in authoritie thei bare them selues as great forwarders of the kinges procedinges as could be ▪ and what they were inwardly now appereth vnto al mē Nicho. They were worldly wyse men Oliu. Ye say truth worldly wyse in dede but such wisdome is great foly before God and vnto such wise men as Christ saith ar the secretes of god hiddē so that thei neither haue faith in god nor in his sonne Iesus Christ they neither haue the feare of his iudgementes nor loue of his mercy For these things ar geuen vnto babes to the outcastes of this world that ar coūted foles outcastes as their master Christ was These do not seke to flatter kinges and prynces but they seke to please God and to set forth his truth with the los if God so lay the burthen vpon them of goodes frendes name euē their life which of these trow ye ar most worthy to be folowed Nicho. I can not tel I. we dyd wel inough afore and better then we haue done since for we had neuer good world since this geare began But our sir Iohn telleth vs another lessō Oli. what I prai the Nich. Mary that he maketh God euery day at his masse Oliue Can syr Iohn make thy maker Nicho. Yea that he doth euery dai Oliue And doth he shew him vnto the Nicho. Yea he is as faire a lifter as ani is within Hamshire Oliu. And what doth he with hī afterward Nich. what man eat him or hang him in the Pix Oliu. Than he maketh him and eateth him Nicho. what els Oliue what hangeth in the Pix Nich. Gods bodi sacred Oliue Thou saydest syr Iohn dyd eate gods bodye Nicho. Yea so I said Oliue How can he eate hym hang him vp to Nich. I can not reason such hie matters I beleue as our sir Iohn telleth vs. Oliuer who made goddes bodye sacred Nich. Marye sit Iohn Oliue And who made sir Iohn Nich. God made him Oliue Then he is euen with god and maketh him again Nich. we trow so for sir Ihon is a prest anointed Oliu. who made him a priest anoynted Nich. The Bishop Oliue wherwyth anoynted he him Nich. with oyle in the Chrismatorye Oliue who made the Byshoppe Nich. The Pope Oliue Then the Pope made the Byshop the Byshop greased syr Iohn sir Iohn made God Nich By our blessed Ladye Oliuer ye are as bad as the best and I am sory to se you fal to this new learning Oliue In good faith Nicholas I am sory to se you and many a thousand mo thus to fal againe from gods word to your old superstitious errours and idolatries Nic. we beleue as our forefathers did Oliu. what cal ye forfathers Nich. Mary my father my grandsire and my great grandsire Oliu. Is thy father aliue Nich. Yea but he is at the last cast Oliue Howe long is it since thy graundsire dyed Nich. He died .xx yere synce when I was twelue yere old Oli. How thinkest thou was not saint Peter and saint Paule forefathers Nich. Yes marye Oliue was not Christ a forefather Nich. yes