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A15057 An ansvvere to the Ten reasons of Edmund Campian the Iesuit in confidence wherof he offered disputation to the ministers of the Church of England, in the controuersie of faith. Whereunto is added in briefe marginall notes, the summe of the defence of those reasons by Iohn Duræus the Scot, being a priest and a Iesuit, with a reply vnto it. Written first in the Latine tongue by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church, William Whitakers, Doctor in Diuinitie, and the Kings Professor and publike reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge. And now faithfully translated for the benefit of the vnlearned (at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie) into the English tongue; by Richard Stocke, preacher in London. ...; Ad Rationes decem Edmundi Campiani Jesuitæ responsio. English Whitaker, William, 1548-1595.; Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. Rationes decem. English.; Stock, Richard, 1569?-1626.; Whitaker, William, 1548-1595. Responsionis ad Decem illas rationes.; Durie, John, d. 1587. Confutatio responsionis Gulielmi Whitakeri ad Rationes decem. Selections. 1606 (1606) STC 25360; ESTC S119870 383,859 364

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and_z page_n 210_o 14_o there_o be_v a_o negative_a ignorance_n which_o be_v not_o sin_n page_n 208._o 209_o 15_o ch●●●t_a ●●oke_n upon_o he_o the_o punishment_n due_a to_o sin_v both_o ●gnorance_n and_o d●ath_n page_n ●●9_n 16_o that_o which_o raise_v such_o fear_n and_o horror_n in_o christ_n be_v not_o the_o fear_n of_o natural_a death_n but_o the_o bitter_a wrath_n of_o god_n against_o mankind_n pag._n 210._o and_o 211_o 17_o what_o the_o hell_n be_v which_o christ_n suffer_v and_o as_o man_n fear_v pag._n 211._o nota_fw-la 18_o christ_n suffer_v in_o soul_n as_o well_o as_o in_o body_n pag._n 211._o 212_o 19_o christ_n do_v not_o go_v into_o limbus_n after_o his_o death_n pag._n 214_o 20_o many_o ancient_a creed_n both_o in_o the_o roman_a and_o east_n church_n have_v not_o this_o article_n of_o christ_n descension_n into_o heil_n pag._n 215._o nota_fw-la 21_o what_o the_o image_n of_o god_n be_v in_o man_n before_o his_o fall_n pag._n 216_o 22_o the_o whole_a image_n of_o god_n 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curse_n of_o it_o by_o christ_n pag._n 252_o 253._o 254._o &_o nota_fw-la 63_o god_n respect_v the_o good_a work_n of_o he_o but_o not_o to_o instification_n pag._n 254._o &_o nota_fw-la 64_o the_o just_a not_o only_a life_n but_o be_v justify_v by_o his_o faith_n and_o so_o much_o the_o place_n of_o habacuck_n proove_v ibid._n nota_fw-la 65_o work_n not_o the_o cause_n but_o the_o manifestation_n of_o righteousness_n out_o of_o thomas_n ibid._n 66_o they_o who_o have_v break_v heart_n and_o contrite_a spirit_n be_v fit_a guest_n for_o the_o lord_n table_n neither_o be_v this_o against_o faith_n pag._n 255_o 67_o luther_n be_v not_o against_o public_a confession_n but_o a_o private_a auricular_a confession_n of_o all_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n only_o when_o by_o the_o word_n it_o may_v be_v make_v to_o other_o pag._n
do_v most_o true_o deny_v this_o which_o they_o deny_v i_o will_v submit_v myself_o to_o any_o punishment_n but_o yet_o there_o be_v doubtless_o somewhat_o which_o these_o man_n say_v and_o which_o campian_n do_v attribute_n to_o they_o what_o that_o be_v let_v we_o consider_v there_o be_v a_o certain_a inveterate_a opinion_n among_o man_n that_o whatsoever_o sin_n be_v commit_v by_o any_o all_o that_o be_v do_v god_n only_o permit_v and_o not_o will_v it_o now_o they_o do_v separate_v this_o permission_n utter_o from_o all_o will_n of_o god_n so_o as_o they_o affirm_v that_o god_n do_v no_o way_n will_v those_o thing_n which_o he_o have_v permit_v but_o now_o see_v the_o lord_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v to_o right_o to_o dur_fw-la here_o you_o while_o you_o will_v defend_v that_o god_n be_v not_o the_o author_n of_o sin_n yet_o do_v nothing_o else_o but_o make_v he_o the_o author_n of_o sin_n for_o if_o he_o do_v not_o only_o permit_v but_o also_o will_v that_o man_n sin_n tell_v i_o 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any_o do_v deny_v to_o be_v good_a and_o holy_a he_o may_v well_o be_v hold_v blasphemous_a against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o for_o that_o you_o both_o fain_o that_o we_o speak_v these_o thing_n and_o also_o express_v for_o what_o cause_n we_o speak_v they_o you_o bewray_v your_o wonderful_a wisdom_n which_o for_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o at_o all_o can_v set_v down_o a_o reason_n wherefore_o they_o be_v but_o we_o do_v willing_o preach_v faith_n and_o do_v easy_o permit_v it_o to_o be_v contemn_v of_o you_o for_o you_o that_o defend_v nature_n against_o grace_n and_o do_v trust_v rather_o to_o your_o own_o power_n than_o to_o christ_n mercy_n and_o do_v make_v void_a the_o promise_n by_o precept_n can_v have_v a_o honourable_a opinion_n of_o faith_n you_o never_o keep_v your_o stand_n sinne._n of_o sinne._n campian_n and_o you_o begin_v the_o battle_n like_o a_o runaway_n for_o you_o have_v a_o wander_a and_o unstable_a wit_n as_o it_o seem_v you_o oppose_v illyricus_n to_o 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i_o confess_v indeed_o that_o that_o defence_n of_o illyricus_n do_v seem_v ever_o very_o absurd_a to_o i_o for_o it_o both_o smell_n of_o the_o folly_n of_o the_o manichy_n and_o it_o make_v two_o soul_n in_o a_o regenerate_a man_n and_o which_o be_v a_o great_a matter_n it_o destroy_v the_o soul_n that_o be_v always_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o i_o profess_v to_o be_v we_o that_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o quite_o slay_v by_o sin_n but_o only_o charge_v and_o infect_v with_o vicious_a quality_n and_o that_o sin_n be_v no_o inward_a substance_n of_o the_o soul_n but_o a_o freewill_n a_o dur_fw-la the_o catholic_a church_n never_o believe_v that_o sin_n be_v a_o accident_n or_o quality_n but_o only_o a_o privation_n for_o if_o it_o be_v a_o accident_n god_n shall_v be_v the_o cause_n and_o author_n of_o it_o whit._n pag._n 573._o but_o this_o privation_n be_v it_o not_o a_o accidental_a thing_n why_o then_o make_v you_o a_o scruple_n 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cap._n 25._o but_o a_o quality_n contrary_n to_o the_o virtue_n of_o the_o soul_n augustine_n sin_n augustine_n dur_fw-la augustine_n will_v accuse_v you_o for_o slander_v he_o because_o he_o speak_v not_o of_o sin_n but_o of_o concupiscence_n which_o he_o account_v to_o be_v no_o sin_n whit._n pag._n 576._o do_v augustine_n account_n concupiscence_n no_o sin_n why_o then_o call_v he_o it_o a_o affection_n of_o a_o evil_a quality_n why_o do_v he_o compare_v it_o to_o a_o disease_n why_o do_v he_o demand_v the_o question_n how_o concupiscence_n shall_v remain_v in_o the_o regenerate_a who_o sin_n be_v all_o remit_v if_o it_o be_v not_o a_o sin_n his_o answer_v prove_v it_o yet_o more_o full_o for_o he_o say_v concupiscence_n be_v remit_v in_o baptism_n not_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v no_o sin_n at_o all_o as_o you_o will_v have_v it_o but_o that_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v impute_v for_o a_o sin_n if_o it_o be_v no_o sin_n how_o can_v it_o be_v impute_v for_o a_o sin_n final_o august_n 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