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A49752 An answer to a book published by Richard Smith of Westchester wherein the people of God called Quakers (more particularly in this county of Cheshire) are cleared from the wrong, injustice, and false accusations by him charged upon them / written for the information and satisfaction of the sober-minded by Alexander Lawrence. Lawrence, Alexander, d. 1682. 1677 (1677) Wing L649; ESTC R25714 13,255 21

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