Colledge You may see there was an understanding between them then Mr. just jones Did they go accordingly Mrs. Bol. Now and then they have gone to him but they knew his business because they had discourse with him as they said upon the road and they would not go L. c. j. Would you ask her any thing else what do you know more Mrs. Bolron Nothing for I am not one that stirs much abroad Colledge Call Mr. Everard Lo. c. j. What do you ask him Colledge As for Mr. Everard I need not ask him whether he knows him for they know one another well enough But Mr. Everard that I would ask you is this what do you know of Mr. Smith and of this contrivance against me Mr. Everard Mr. Smith I have been to see of late and he told me he knew of no Presbyterian or Protestant Plot and when my Lord Howard was tried that is the Bill brought against him he said he wondred how my Lord Howard could be Guilty and that both himself and I were joyned as Evidence to that Jury only to put a gloss upon the Evidence for says he I have nothing material to say Coll. Mr. Everard Do you know any thing more concerning him what he hath said at other times concerning me Mr. Everard I have told you already what I have heard him say that he thought there was no Protestant or Presbyterian Plot that now of late within this little while Colledge Pray Sir was there not some discourse betwixt Justice Warcupp and you in Lincolns-Inn Walks Mr. Everard Is Justice Warcupp an Evidence here L. c. j. No no. Colledge 'T is all but Evidence of a Presbyterian Plot therefore pray Sir what was the discourse between Justice Warcupp and you what would he have had you done L. c. j. I think it is not material there is nothing of Mr. Warcupp in this Tryal Mr. Everard If the Court does allow of it I will freely tell it Coll. My Lord the Papists design is to make a Protestant Plot to turn off their own and they begin with me but if I should go they would not be satisfied with me they would be at others L. c. j. There is nothing concerning a Presbyterian or Protestant Plot in the case Colledge My Lord if there be no Presbyterian Protestant Plot and others to joyn in it how could I do it by my self 't is impossible I should have such a design of seizing the King and improbable I should speak it Now my Lord this man was sollicited to come in for an Evidence of such a Plot. Mr. Everard That is true L. c. j. I tell you it is not material Justice Warcupp is not concerned in your Tryal Mr. Everard Justice Warcupp would have perswaded me to have sworn against some Lords a Presbyterian Plot but I deny that I know any such thing of them Coll. The Papists aim is not at me only but at others Mr. Ser. jeff. We have nothing to do with what you and Justice Warcupp talked of for example sake my Lord let us have no discourses that concern third persons brought in here L. c. j. Would he have perswaded you to say any thing that was not true Mr. Everard He did not say positively those words but this he said I knew seveveral Lords Mr. just jones Now here is Mr. Justice Warcupp's same traduc'd behind his back in the face of the Countrey and it is nothing to this cause before us Coll. My Lord I desire to know what he knows of these things and that he may speak it out 't is a material thing for me and others Here is a design of the Papists to turn a Plot upon the Protestants they begin with me and if they have my blood who may feel the effect of it next I cannot tell Lo. ch Just Truly I think it not material to your case and indeed 't is of ill consequence to have any man traduced behind his back as Justice VVarcupp is Coll. My Lord Macnamarra told me that that man would have seduced him to have retracted his Evidence upon my Salvation 't is true L. c. j. We meddle not with Macnamarra neither he is no Evidence against you Coll. Macnamarra hath sworn against me at the Old-Baily and at the finding of this Bill but they have laid him by upon some trick or other I desire Mr. Everard may tell what he knows Mr. Everard I would not reflect upon any person nor will I answer it if the Court do not think fit Coll. My Lord this is foul play if I die my self for my Countrey sake I can do it freely and the will of God be done I would have the truth out for the sake of the Protestants Mr. Everard I am very willing to tell the truth if the Court think fit L. c. j. I see not that he says Mr. VVarcupp would have had him swear that which was not true Mr. Ever But this he said if the Court will allow me to speak it Justice VVarcupp said that certainly there was a Presbyterian Plot and such things and that some Lords some of the Protestant protesting Lords must be guilty of it and said he certainly you know much of it You know such and such things therefore you may safely swear it if I knew it so by argument he would first prove there was a Plot and combination amongst those Lords and then said he this you may safely swear Mr. just jones What is this to your purpose Mr. Colledge only Mr. Warcup's name is brought upon the stage when he is not here to vindicate himself L. c. j. Would you ask him any thing else Coll. If he does know any thing more of any of them I desire he would speak it Mr. Ev. Concerning Mr. Haynes he told me it was necessity that drove him to speak any thing against the Protestants and the hard Pay and the Gratitude he did receive from the Citizens Then Mr. Jones acquainted the Court that Mr. Warcup was just come in and desired to vindicate himself But the Kings other Counsel waved it saying there was no weight in it Lo. ch just Where did he tell you this Mr. Ev. In the fields near Grays-Inn Lo. ch just How long since Mr. Ev. About three weeks ago I asked him Mr. Haynes said I I would not draw you from your Testimony in any thing but how can this be congruous to what you have said formerly That you knew nothing by them The truth is said he I will not say much to excuse my self but my Wife was reduced to that necessity that she begg'd at Rouse's door and craved some Salary and Mr. Rouse would not give her any and said he meer necessity drove me to it Colledge He found better pay in another place Mr. Ev. And says he 't is Self-preservation in the next place for I was brought in guilty when I was taken up and therefore I was obliged to do some things to save my Life Coll. Pray my
brought back to me and taken away but to day I desire they may be returned Cl. of Cr. Are you Guilty or not Guilty Colledge Those Papers tell me I have a Plea in Law but what it is I cannot directly tell without my Papers Lo. ch just You must mention it and propose it and then we will do what is fitting for us to do in it Colledge I have not that method about me nor can I directly tell it without my Papers but 't is something of Law about the Indictment Lo. ch just You are not bound up to forms of Law For if you propose the matter never so loosely yet if it be a matter of avail and that which the Law is not clearly against you in you shall have Councel and time to draw it up in form Colledge I cannot propose the matter so regularly as if I had my Papers Mr. just jones You are not bound to propose it in formality of Law my Lord tells you only let us know what it is Colledge I have a priviledge in Law I hope you will give me the benefit of it Lo. ch Just We will deny you nothing that the Law gives you but we cannot give you councel It is not one particular case but the common course of Justice is concerned Without a matter of Law arises we cannot assign you Counsel if we would we cannot in Justice till you have proposed the matter which the Court thinks fit to be argued Colledge My Lord Coke says It is the Birth-right of every English-man to have Councel in matters of Law and Lilburne had it upon solemn Argument in his Tryal Mr. just jones What times were those That was before the High Court of Justice Mr. Att. Gen. If there be matter in Law it must be proposed to the Court and they are to judge whether it be a Point fit to be argued and then Councel is to be assigned you and not till then Colledge My Lord I know not but there may be somewhat in Law for me to plead to this Indictment till I have my Papers I can't tell what it is Lo. ch just We know nothing of your Papers what they are you must answer whether you be Guilty or not Guilty Colledge If I had my Papers I would answer to it immediately but I hope I shall not be murdered Mr. just jones Have a care of aspersing the Court. Pray who intends to murder you Mr. Serj. jefferies I remember in Lilburn's Tryal that he speaks of such words were used indeed Colledge My Lord I hope I shall not be deny'd what is necessary for my defence This design is not only against me but against all the Protestants Mr. Art Gen. How long have you been a Protestant Mr. Colledge Colledge Ever since I knew what Religion was Sir I never was any thing else For Gods sake my Lord let me have the justice of the Nation and what by Law an English-man ought to have Lo. ch just You must plead Guilty or not Guilty or you must shew some matter that you will plead that is proper for us to assign you Councel If we should record your refusal you would be judged to stand Mute and Sentence would pass upon you Colledge If I have a priviledge in Law as an English-man I will not forfeit it if I can help it for any thing in the world Therefore I desire I may have my Papers again that I may see if I can plead any thing in Law for if I have a priviledge by the Law before I will forfeit it you shall do what you please with me Lo. ch just You 'll have the advantage of all that matter that is in your Papers after you have pleaded if there be any advantage Colledge Pray my Lord order me my Papers that were taken away from me Lo. ch just They were not taken away by me Colledge They were taken away by the Keeper under pretence to bring them to your Lordship L. ch just I know not how you came by them There came one to me last night that is a common Sollicitor one Aaron Swith and desired he might have liberty to go and speak with the Prisoner I told him I did not understand till he were assigned by the Court that any could justifie Solliciting for a man that is accused of High Treason nor could any be of Councel till they were assigned for a defence against Treason ought to be by plain matters of Proof and Fact and not by artificial Cavils But if you will propose any thing of substance as a matter in Law which the Court shall think fit to be argued propose it and then we will assign you Councel Colledge Is it not my right that I ought to have a copy of the jury Lo. ch just Look you for that now you cited the Opinion of the Judges of the Kings-Bench My Brothers two of them that are here who are Judges in that Court say they know nothing of any such matter But I must tell you you have liberty by Law to challenge 35. by your sight premptorily without shewing cause They are bound to look upon you when they come to be sworn and if you have any just cause you may except against as many more as as you will But now we that proceed upon a Commission of Gaol-delivery are to proceed with expedition there are no particular men designed for a Jury that I know of But when you have pleaded we shall award the Sheriff to impannel a Jury Colledge If the Law allow me the liberty of challenging it does intend it me that I may challenge those persons that I think will do me no justice but where they are strangers unto me if I can have no information about any of them by my own enquiry or my friends I may challenge my friends as well as my foes and should there be any person that has a prejudice against me and I not know it he may chance to be one L. c. j. I hope they will be neither friends nor foes but true men Coll. I know not that my Lord. Mr. just jones This that you say as to a copy of the Jury is unseasonable There is no Jury nor can be awarded till you have pleaded There must be first Issue joyned and that cannot be but upon your Plea of not Guilty Therefore you must plead first and then say all you will Cl. of cr Are you Guilty or not Guilty Coll. My Lord may not I have a pannel of the Jury Mr. just jo There is no such thing in being Coll. I know not what to say to it pray my Lord let me have my papers Cl. of cr You have heard the opinion of the Court you must first plead Coll. I cannot plead first I must lose my life if I must I neither know who accuses me nor what it is they accuse me of 't is impossible I should defend my self if I have not my papers L. c. j. We know not what papers you
Upon which Colledge told me the King and all his Family were Papists and there was no good to be expected from him Then I replyed the King would perhaps surprize the Parliament or use some stratagem to bring them to his terms Said Mr. Colledge again I would he would begin but if he do not we will secure him till he comes to those terms we would have from him for here are several brave Fellows and many more are coming down that will joyn with it Mr. Att. Gen. Did he name any one Turberv No indeed he did not he himself had a case of Pistols a Sword and I believe he might have his Armour on Coll. Did I discourse who were to joyn with me Turberv No Mr. Colledge you did not name any body to me but Captain Browne was with you Mr. Att. Gen. Were you examined in my Lord Staffords Tryal Turberv Yes I was Mr. Att. Gen. Was this Gentleman sworn to your Reputation there Turberv No not to mine Coll. Pray how come we to talk of such things what occasion was there that I should talk Treason of the King to you was there any body besides us two there Turberv No Capt. Browne was gone to sleep and Lewes was gone out Mr. Att. Gen. It was not at dinner that you talked so Mr. Colledge he says Coll. Had they been at dinner with us there Turberv Yes and we had a Legg of boyled mutton to dinner Coll. Did you stay after dinner Turberv Yes and I lay with you afterwards upon the bed Coll. I thought you had said Capt. Browne went to sleep there Turberv Yes but he was gone too when we laid down together Coll. God forgive you I can say no more I never spoke one word of any such discourse in my life Mr. Att. Gen. Will you ask him any more Questions Coll. Mr. Turbervile when did you give in this Information against me Turbervile I gave it to the Grand Jury Colledge Not before Turbervile Yes I did Colledge When was it Turbervile Truly I can't well tell I believe it was a day or two before I came to Oxon. Coll. Why did you make it then and not before Turbervile I 'll tell you the occasion Mr. Dugdale told me the Grand Jury of London would not find the Bill I did admire at it extremely for I thought every one that conversed with him might be an Evidence against him he was always so very lavish against the King and the Government So then Colonel Warcupp came to me and took my Depositions and then I came for Oxford Colledge VVhat was the reason you did not discover this Treason before Turbervile There was no reason for it it was not necessary Coll. You were not agreed then Turbervile There was no agreement in the case there needs nothing of that I think but I am not obliged to give you an account of it Colledge God forgive you Mr. Turbervile Turberv And you too Mr. Colledge Mr. Att. Gen. Then call Sir VVilliam Jennings Mr. Serj. jeff. Mr. Attorney if you please till he comes I will acquaint my Lord here is a Gentleman that hath not yet been taken notice of one Mr. Masters that is pretty well known to Mr. Colledge now he is a man he must acknowledge of an undoubted Reputation and I desire he may give your Lordship and the Jury an account what he knows of the Prisoner because he is so curious for English-men we have brought him an English-man of a very good repute Colledge My Lord I am charged with Treason in this Indictment here are a great many things made use of that serve only to amuse the Jury I can conjecture nothing else they are brought for I desire to know whether the Pictures produced are part of the Treason Lo. ch just Stay till the Evidence is given and we will hear what you can say at large when you come to summ up your Defence Mr. Ser. jeff. Pray my Lord will you be pleased to hear this Gentleman He will tell you what discourse he hath had with the Prisoner at the Bar. Then Mr. Masters was Sworn Mr. Masters Mr. Colledge and I have been acquainted for a great many years and we have often discoursed I have told him of his being so violent as he hath been several times But a little before the Parliament at Oxon. about Christmass last after the Parliament at VVestminster at Mr. Charlton's Shop the Woollen-Draper in Paul's Church-yard we were discoursing together about the Government and he was justifying of the late long Parliaments Actions in 40 and he said That Parliament was as good a Parliament as ever was chosen in the Nation Said I I wonder how you have the impudence to justify their Proceedings that raised the Rebellion against the King and cut off his Head Said he they did nothing but what they had just cause for and the Parliament that sate last at VVestminster was of their opinion and so you would have seen it Mr. Ser. jeff. What did he say of the Parliament since Mr. Masters He said the Parliament that sate last at VVestminster was of the same opinion that that Parliament was Mr. Ser. Jeff. Pray afterwards what discourse had you about his Colonelship Mr. Masters We were talking at Guild-Hall that day the Common-Council was the 13th of May as near as I remember so I came to him How now Colonel Colledge said I what do you make this bustle for You mistook me and said Cousin how long have you and I been Cousins nay prithee said I 't is not yet come to that to own Kindred between us I only called you Colonel in jest Marry mock not said he I may be one in a little time Mr. Serj. jeff. Have you any thing to ask Mr. Masters you know he is your old acquaintance you know him well Then Sir William Jennings was Sworn Mr. jones What is it that you know concerning Mr. Colledge at Oxford Sir Sir VVilliam Jennings My Lord the first time that I heard any thing of Mr. Colledge was there was some company looking upon a Picture for I knew him not nor never had any word of discourse with him in my life any more then seeing him in a publick Coffee-House But there was a Picture looking on by 7 or 8 or 10 people I believe more or less and I coming and crowding in my Head amongst the rest looked upon this Picture After the crowd was over Mr. Colledge takes a Picture out of his Pocket and said he I will give you one of them if you will So he gives me a Picture which Picture if I could see I could tell what it was it was written Mac a top and there were several Figures in it Then the Picture was shewed him This is one of the same that I had of him and I had not had it long in my custody but meeting with Justice VVarcupp I shewed it him who bid me give it him and so I did The next thing I did
Statutes Then there is twice of the 3 times he speaks of the last day I do not remember when it was Lo. c. just All was in London that Smith speaks of you Coll. How comes that to be proof here then nothing he says is to go for any thing Mr. just jones Nothing will serve your turn we have declared our opinions once already that if the Witnesses swear true here are two Witnesses nay if one were of what was done at London and the other of what was done at Oxon. if they be to the same Treason they be two Witnesses in Law Coll. My Lord I observe one thing upon Turberviles Evidence he swears there was a discourse in the Room when Brown was upon the Bed but afterwards if your Lordship minds it he says I discoursed with him as he and I lay upon the bed Before he said when Brown lay upon the bed and in the Room and afterwards when we lay upon the bed Mr. just jones Both the one and the other Colledge But he said first one way and then the other Mr. just jones Whilst Brown lay upon the bed and when he was gone whilst you both lay upon the bed L. c. just We will do you no wrong therefore if you will Turbervile shall stand up and clear it Colledge My Lord I believe those that have taken the passages can prove he contradicted himself in that Lo. c. just He said both But the Jury have taken notes of the Evidence and will take notice of it Coll. As to Mr. Masters the Evidence he gives was he says that he and I should discourse of the Parliament in 40. Mr. just jones And the justifiableness of the late Kings Death that they had done nothing but what they had just cause to do Colledge He swears that I did say to him that the late Parliament did not cut off the Kings Head Mr. just jones And you said the last Parliament that sate at Westminster was of the same opinion with that in 40. Coll. I dare appeal to Esquire Charlton in whose shop the discourse was I did not know that Mr. Masters was to be an Evidence against me and truly they have taken that course with me by which any man may be destroyed with half this Evidence were they of good credit let his innocence be what it will I have been used so barbarously in the Tower kept from all conversation and so in an utter ignorance of what was sworn against me for else I coud easily have disproved Mr. Masters if I had been in London and had liberty to provide for my defence but they have taken a course to prevent that and brought me hither because 't is impossible I should here defend my self Lo. c. j. You have not offered any Witness to impeach Mr. Masters credit Coll. Mr. Masters discourse He speaks of was in Mr. Charltons Shop I durst have appealed to him about it for I know if he were here he would do me right Mr. Masters did say the Parliament cut off the late Kings Head We held a dispute upon that which I was not willing to enter into I said they did not and we did then dispute whether they began the War against His Majesty I said they did not that I knew of neither were they the persons but the Papists that began that War and that broke off the Ereaty at Uxbridge and that the Papists carryed it on to that sad issue and put it upon the Protestants that they had the odium of it but it was another sort of men that carryed it on I said that I did always understand that Parliament to be an honest Parliament that minded the true interest of the Nation and much of the same opinion with the Parliament that sate last at Westminster But before I said this I said they were persons altogether innocent of the Kings murder and raising the War against the King I did always understand that so the Parliament in 40 were L. c. j. But they were guilty of a Rebellion and are declared so by Act of Parliament since His Majesty came in Coll. My Lord I am unacquainted with the Law I speak only my own sense of it And my Lord I did excuse them as to the murder of the King and the beginning of the War that according to my understanding they were not guilty of it and from thence I did maintain they were an honest good Parliament and much of opinion with the Parliament that sat last at Westminster which was for the true interest of the Nation L. c. j. And was that the true Interest of the Nation to cut off the Kings Head Coll. I did argue that with him some time and I did tell him that it was the Papists that did all the mischief Mr. just jones But he says no upon his Oath that when he had said the Parliament begun the Rebellion and the Parliament did cut off the Kings Head you said the Parliament did nothing but what they had just cause for and the Parliament that sat last at Westminster was of the same mind L. c. j. Those were his words Coll. Pray let him be called again Lo. c. just Let Mr. Masters stand up again Coll. Pray Sir relate the whole discourse that passed between you and I whether I did not argue with you it was not the Parliament cut off the Kings Head nor begun the war but the Papists Mr. Mast No you did not say any such thing We had a great deal of discourse in the shop and under the Arch and the thing that was said Mr. Colledge was this You did say to me that you did justifie the late long Parliament of 40. and then proceedings and you said they were a Parliament that did nothing but what they had just cause for said I how can you be so impudent to say so when they raised the Rebellion against the King and cut off his Head said he again they did nothing but what they had just cause for and the Parliament that sat last at Westminster were of the same opinion Mr. just jones I did you no wrong in repeating the Evidence you see Mr. Colledge Coll. Did I not first dispute with you that they did not begin the War nor cut off the King but the Papists did it Mr. Mast Look you Mr. Colledge you would have had it the King began the War Coll. Don't you say so for I said the Papists began the War Sir say no more to me than what you will answer to God Almighty for I always said the Papists did all the mischief in the late times and I wonder Sir you would not be so just to His Majesty as to detect me for what I said then if you did apprehend it to be as you now say but I am sure you did not nor could not Mr. Mast Mr. Colledge it was so far from that that I was afraid it was of dangerous consequence and I gave some Persons of Honour an accompt of
and yet you were suffered to go on Mr. Sol. Gen. He tells you of a discourse as he came from the Coffee-House to go to a Dinner whither he was invited by Alderman Wilcox and the discourse was that the King was as great a Papist as the Duke and much more to that purpose vilifying the King The Alderman Wilcox was a man that gave money to buy Arms to bring the King to submission He objects against this and says 't is impossible such a discourse should be and that all this should be talked in so little a time as in passing from the Coffee-House to the Crown Tavern without Temple-Bar Coll. Pray remember whose company it was proved I went in Mr. Solicitor Mr. Sol. Gen. But Gentlemen when you consider how busie a man he was and how ready at talking of Treason you will not think but that this man might talk much more than this but this I mention to do him right it being one of the Arguments he used and to give an answer to it tho' when you consider it I believe you will think it not to need an Answer But I would do him all the right I can and now you have heard it you will consider the weight of it Gentlemen he tells you of another discourse afterwards that does relate to his being here at Oxon. he tells you he had Arms in his House and was ready upon all occasions and he shew'd Mr. Smith his Arms and told him these were the things that were to destroy Rowley's Guards as he said which by the Evidence is made to appear he meant the King by that name his Arms he said were for that purpose That he would go down to Oxon. and there he expected some sport I know not what sport he thinks there is in Rebellion you see what principles he is of that does maintain and justifie the greatest and horrid'st Rebellion that ever was in England and says they did nothing but what they had good cause for He tells Smith that he thought the King would seize upon some Members and with that expectation he came down but he was as ready as the King and would be one in the securing of him if he medled with any of the Members This proof Mr. Smith made and that after the Parliament was dissolved he said that the King ran away and was very much afraid This is proved by Smith likewise and this Colledge did declare after he came to Town Smith proves further that he did wonder the King did not consider how easily his Fathers Head was brought to the Block and for Mr. Colledges part he did declare that he did believe this King would be served so shortly And this does confirm what his other Witnesses have spoken of his words at Oxon. Thus then there are three Witnesses tho' two are enough to convict a man if they be positive to the Treason Mr. Haynes is the 4th Witness and he is as full as any of them I do but repeat it in short you have had it so often canvassed by Colledge that I believe you will easily remember it He did advise Haynes that he should not value the King at all for the King should be called to account for all his Actions he said he would seize the King and bring him to the Block as they did his Father with an undecent expression of that blessed King not fit to be repeated And he said they did intend when they had cut off him never any more of his Race should raign this it was Haynes says tho' there are other matters I would take notice of one thing more and I need not but mention it you will remember it and that is about the Libel of Fitzharris Haynes tells you upon discourse of that Libel he said that every word of it was true as sure as God is in Heaven Now that was a Libel made by a Papist an Irish Papist who hath been tryed convicted and executed for it and the horrid'st Libel it was that ever was Writ And this is the Libel which this Gentleman who is so very conversant in Libels and Books of that sort avers to be as true as God is in Heaven This is the substance Gentlemen of that proof which hath been made to you we have other circumstances to prove that as he came down with that intent to seize the King and as he expected what he calls some sport so he did endeavour to begin the sport he did quarrel in the Lobby of the House of Lords with Fitzgerald some blows passed and Sir William Jennings telling him his Nose bled he did declare I have lost the first Blood in the Cause but it will not be long before there be more lost Thus after he had come down he endeavoured to begin a commotion for from little matters great things do sometimes arise and when all men were possest with an expectation such as he himself did declare he and others came down with an expectation that the Parliament should be attacked a little matter might have begun such a commotion which no man knows what end it would have had Gentlemen this hath been our proof Now the Objection made to this proof by Mr. Colledge is That this is a Popish design to raise a new Plot and cast it upon the Protestants and that these Witnesses are now to deny all the Evidence they have given of the Popish Plot and throw all upon the Protestants This is that he would persuade you to believe but which I think when you do consider a little of it it will be impossible for you in the least to have such a thought For what are the Evidence that have proved this who are they men of credit that have been Evidences against the Popish Plotters and against men that have suffered for that Plot men that still stand to the Evidence they have given and affirm it every word to be true and one of the very men that he brought says that they still stand to it for Turbervile who was one of the Witnesses against my Lord Stafford was tempted by some persons to deny the Evidence he had given against the Papists but his answer was no I can never depart from it I have a Soul to save that was true which I said I cannot deny it If then the Witnesses which he would have you believe to be guilty of denying the Popish Plot do confirm what they have said as to that discovery that objection is taken off and they do stand still to it that every part of it was true and aver the same thing and yet forsooth these men are going about to stifle this Plot. Gentlemen these are the men the whole nation have given credit to the Parliament having impeached my Lord Stafford upon the credit of them for it was upon the credit of Dugdale and Turbervile that they impeached him for there was not two witnesses till Turbervile came in and made a second and upon their