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A02426 A playne demonstration of Iohn Frithes lacke of witte and learnynge in his vnderstandynge of holie scripture and of the olde holy doctours, in the blessed sacrament of the aulter, newly set foorthe by Iohn Gwynneth clerke. Gwynneth, John. 1557 (1557) STC 12560; ESTC S112457 119,278 208

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