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we_o conceive_v the_o relator_n achilles_n be_v fall_v how_o fall_v if_o he_o be_v it_o be_v only_o with_o antaeus_n to_o rise_v the_o strong_a but_o i_o assure_v you_o so_o far_o be_v he_o from_o fall_v by_o any_o force_n of_o your_o answer_n that_o he_o stand_v more_o impregnable_o than_o ever_o have_v not_o so_o much_o as_o a_o heel_n leave_v that_o you_o can_v wound_v he_o in_o and_o if_o you_o have_v nothing_o more_o to_o say_v than_o what_o you_o here_o give_v we_o in_o answer_n to_o this_o argument_n which_o you_o tell_v we_o be_v the_o common_a answer_n of_o divine_n i_o be_o so_o far_o from_o wonder_v that_o his_o lordship_n take_v no_o notice_n of_o it_o that_o i_o shall_v only_o wonder_v at_o the_o weakness_n of_o your_o judgement_n or_o largeness_n of_o your_o faith_n that_o can_v so_o content_o swallow_v such_o grand_a absurdity_n 3._o if_o this_o be_v but_o as_o you_o say_v the_o prologue_n to_o the_o play_n i_o doubt_v you_o will_v find_v but_o a_o sad_a catastrophe_n in_o it_o 283._o the_o main_a business_n you_o tell_v we_o be_v about_o the_o priest_n intention_n concern_v which_o he_o positive_o lay_v down_o that_o it_o be_v not_o of_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n so_o as_o to_o make_v it_o void_a though_o the_o priest_n thought_n shall_v wander_v from_o his_o work_n at_o the_o instant_n of_o use_v the_o essential_o of_o a_o sacrament_n yea_o or_o have_v in_o he_o a_o actual_a intention_n to_o scorn_v the_o church_n what_o now_o have_v you_o to_o show_v to_o the_o contrary_a if_o the_o priest_n intention_n be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o the_o essence_n or_o validity_n of_o a_o sacrament_n you_o desire_v a_o reason_n of_o your_o adversary_n why_o we_o shall_v not_o think_v a_o priest_n consecrate_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n as_o much_o at_o a_o table_n where_o there_o be_v wheaten_n bread_n before_o he_o and_o that_o either_o by_o way_n of_o disputation_n or_o read_v the_o 26._o chapter_n of_o st._n matthew_n he_o pronounce_v the_o word_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la as_o he_o do_v at_o the_o altar_n since_o here_o be_v the_o true_a form_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la the_o true_a matter_n wheaten_n bread_n and_o he_o that_o pronounce_v the_o form_n be_v a_o true_a priest_n and_o yet_o in_o all_o man_n judgement_n here_o be_v no_o true_a sacrament_n make_v something_o else_o therefore_o be_v requisite_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n and_o what_o can_v that_o possible_o be_v if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o intention_n which_o the_o church_n require_v since_o your_o request_n be_v reasonable_a i_o shall_v endeavour_v your_o satisfaction_n and_o the_o rather_o because_o it_o tend_v to_o the_o full_a clear_v the_o business_n in_o hand_n to_o your_o enquiry_n then_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n require_v such_o a_o solemnity_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o it_o and_o such_o a_o disposition_n in_o the_o church_n for_o 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