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A31649	An answer of Humphrey Chambers, D. D. rector of Pewsey, in the county of Wilts, to the charge of Walter Bvshnel, vicar of Box, in the same county published in a book of his entituled, A narrative of the proceedings of the commissioners appointed by O. Cromwel for ejecting scandalous and ignorant ministers, in the case of Walter Bushnel, &c. : with a vindication of the said commissioners annexed : humbly submitted to publick censure.	Chambers, Humphrey, 1598 or 9-1662.	1660 (1660)	Wing C1913; ESTC R13745	32,297	49

Sacriledge even to this hour And was it not a handsome thing for the Dr. to countenance this man against the Minister that had robbed the Church I am beholding to Mr. Bushnel for an answer to this Charge which else my memory would not have helped mee unto Hee tells us that before the three last depositions were taken against Sanders I handed the Certificate in his behlaf from William Pinchin to Mr. Blissett now one of those three last Depositions concerneth the Sacrilege here spoken of and therefore if hee will needs interpret my delivering in the Certificate for a countenancing of this man which is more than it amounteth unto yet I am free from countenancing a Church-robber against a Minister seeing the Deposition concerning Sanders Sacriledge was not given in neither had I ever heard a word of it when I handed the Certificate to Mr. Blissett Having related the wicked and fraudulent course supposing it to bee as hee relateth which was taken for the obtaining the Certificate for Sanders from the Chippenhammen Mr. Bushnel adds Now I do not wonder that William Pinchin Nicholas Spencer William Sanders and Obadiah Cheltenham should contrive and practise such unworthy courses My wonder is that the Doctor should so demurely put to his helping hand for the promoting of them nay that hee should bee more forward than William Pinchin and readier to call for it than William Pinchin was to deliver it But doubtless the Caln-business did yet stick in the Doctors stomach there were a generation of men heretofore great pretenders to godliness that were touchy and very implacable and perchance before I make an end of this discourse I shall make some * observes to the Dr. of the Agagite in the Old Testament and the Scribes and Pharisees in the New I do from my soul abhor all such false and fraudulent waies as Mr. Bushnel makes mention of in the relation of the getting the Certificate for Sanders If I had had the least knowledge or jealousie the Certificate had been in such wise obtained I would never have taken it into my hand unless it had been to tear or burn it But the names subscribed to it did keep mee off wholly from such a suspicion and was the onely cause why I delivered it And as for Mr. Bushnels saying that doubtless the Caln-business stuck in my stomach doubtless hee can make no proof of that and the Lord knows it is utterly false and against the Rule by which I make conscience to walk which is to forgive others as I desire to bee forgiven of God But as for Cottles words I can truly say I never valued them more than a puff off wind I have told thee that at such time as amongst other notorious Infamies wee had proved Sanders to have fallen upon his own Father to have thrown him down and beaten him saying Hee would make an end of the old Rogue Mr. Chambers calls for a Certificate and promoteth it in this Sanders behalf And this is the second time that hee shewed himself very forward either to countenance or defend such as by the Law of God had forfeited their lives Mr. Bushnel may remember what hee hath told us that I had delivered the Certificate to Mr. Blisset before Sanders his cursed violence offered to his Father was testified upon oath by one of the three last witnesses and so before I had the least thought of any such execrable carriage of his and therefore Mr. Bushnel doth very injuriously charge mee with countenancing or defending such as by the Law of God were adjudged to death I could willingly give my voice for the reviving of that Law and the Lord knows Mr. Bushnel doth mee open wrong when pag. 161. hee writes that the Doctor did look upon a sons couzening cursing frequent beating of his Parents after a barbarous manner throwing them down laying hands upon them taking of them by the throat drawing his knife upon them calling them old Rogue and threatning to make an end of them as onely some small differences or matters not much to bee noted or easily to bee excused No no Mr. Bushnel there is one that knoweth this to bee a very false and injurious accusation before whom you and I shall one day stand with open hearts when not hee that commendeth himself shall bee approved but hee whom God commendeth I had at this time and before several witnesses with mee which I desired might bee examined upon such Queries as should have been proposed unto them but a word of exception against them from William Pinchin the Solicitor and Mr. Byfield the Advocate soon silenced or put them all by and thus they served no less than four at this time some whereof would have told pretty stories of William Pinchin John Trevers Obadiah Chel●enham William Cottle William Sanders yea perchance of the Doctor too if they might have been heard Mr. Bushnel doth not here accuse mee of stopping the Examination of his Witnesses and therefore to that I shall say nothing But I desire Mr. Bushnel not to Lye in the clouds and raise blind suspicions of unknown crimes against mee If hee knows any that knew any secret actings of wickedness whereof I am guilty let them speak out that I may know what to answer to Though I know so much of no mans sinfulness as I do of mine own yet I bless the Lord I have no cause to fear the Testimony either of friends or foes against mee as to such crimes as come under the worlds condemnation and censure Mr. Bushnel writing of Col. Eyre saith All which notwithstanding all these men by Collonel Eyre thus proceeded against for several Infamies are by Mr. Byfield the Doctor and their friends at Marleborough encouraged to testifie against him to his reproach and yet hee not permitted to say any thing in his defence This as to my self I avow to bee a notorious untruth and require a proof of it Col. Eyre hath ever been my loving and I beleeve my intire friend and I am sure I have and do unfeignedly desire his welfare in all kinds nor will it ever bee proved I am sure that I have transgressed the Rules of Love so far towards him as to encourage any to testifie any thing to his reproach I am sure it hath occasioned trouble of heart unto mee when I have heard any reports of that nature carried about of him I was told that one neer related to the persons and practices of the Commissioners should say to this purpose seeing us come in to Town That Mr. Bushnel had brought such and such along with him but that it was to no purpose for hee could not stay at Box because that place was appointed for another man c. As to mine own particular I shall say onely this 1 That by their own confession my place was appointed for another man which 2 I beleeve was the man who hath since my ejectment

charity in saying of a woman whom I had for many years often conversed with and taken to be a stayed Christian woman that I was bound and bound in conscience to beleeve what shee said and attested under her hand But Mr. Bushnel adds Not with so much advisedness or discretion For it is well known that William Pinchin had that power over his Mother that shee dared not but to say and to do as her son would have her I beleeve so well known that the Doctor himself could not bee altogether ignorant of it To beleeve that I would say that I was bound in conscience to beleeve a woman of whom I knew that her son had power over her to make her say or do what hee pleased I take it doth savour of little charity in Mr. Bushnel I hope I durst not whatever Mr. Bushnel beleeves of mee upon any tearms have said that I was bound in conscience to beleeve Goodwife Pinchin if I had known or in the least suspected her to have been so little a Christian as to bee under the power of her son to make her say and do what hee please I did fully beleeve it was otherwise with her when I shewed my beleef of what shee spake And why might not the Dr. bee mistaken in her viz. Goodwife Pinchin as well as hee hath been in many others Women I mean for there his acquaintance did especially lye and these many of them such who had the hand over their husbands who have followed him as far and as oft as Jone Pinchin and yet are now fallen off both from his Doctrine and Acquaintance I know nothing in any man which may exempt others from a possibility of being deceived in him whilst hee hath the deceitful heart of man in his bosome No doubt therefore I might bee deceived in Goodwife Pinchin but I was so far perswaded of her Christianity at that time when I spake that I had good ground to beleeve that she would not wilfully speak and swear against her own knowledge And I am still bound to beleeve as much of her until I see the contrary proved upon her by some who afford her liberty to answer for her self That my acquaintance did especially lye with women as Mr. Bushnel doth here confidently and jeeringly in another Character for fear it should not bee noted affirm is utterly untrue as the whole country where I then lived knows wherein I had the happiness to bee intimately acquainted with very many men of best repute in all ranks who afforded mee a large share in their loving respects It is true that my Ministry found acceptance with divers Christian women whose acquaintance I have no cause to bee ashamed of if any of them for no doubt Mr. Bushnel greatly outlasheth in the word many had the hand over their husbands it was matter of grief to mee wheresoever I saw it and if many who used to hear mee bee fallen oft from my Doctrine and Acquaintance I hope their defection cannot bee charged upon mee as my crime The Lord shew them mercy and return them into the way of truth And now for Dr. Chambers a man of so much reverence and learning to say when it had been good manners in him to hold his peace that if Goodwife Pinchin had said so hee was in conscience bound to beleeve her was upon the matter to say to this Jane Hendyes face that shee had twice foresworn her self Here again Mr. Bushnel puts in his jeer of a man of so much Reve●ence and Learning in other Characters fearing belike that his Readers would bee so thick-sented as not to smell the sweetness of his tart Sarcasm without some signal Indication for which end belike hee thought the mentioning of good manners immediately after would not bee sufficient Whether this bee dealing suitable to a Minister of the Gospel let others judge But as for what hee publisheth as an evidence of want of chari●y in mee towards Jane Hendy I am confident all the Logick in Aristotles Organon will never joyn his Premises and Conclusion together For what Jane Hendy sware and Goodwife Pinchin said and confirmed by oath may be all true and no contradiction bee found between their two oaths for Jane Hendy swore cautelously that shee did not remember that shee ever spake of any such thing to Jone Pinchin which Jone Pinchin sware shee did speak to her and both oaths may be true for it may possibly bee true that Jane Hendy did speak something to Jone Pinchin which shee did not at that present remember so that I might say that I was in conscience bound to beleeve Goodwife Pinchin and yet not say upon the matter that Jane Hendy had twice for sworn her self And therefore what I said did not at all amount to what Mr. Bushnel collects from my words and makes a horrible out-cry upon pag. 95. That I did pronounce one of them infallible and the other perjured They did both swear according to truth for ought I know I am sure they might do so and my charity inclines mee to think that they did so for I know no sufficient ground why Mr. Bushnel should peremptorily affirm that the testimony of these two women are contradictory and that one or other of them must needs bee for sworn And now I shall add further that I beleeve that this and many other false oaths had never been taken had not the Doctor by those words I am bound in conscience hinted unto them a kinde of faculty or dispensation of swearing and that now they might bee bold I refer it to the judgement of any rational Christian to determine whether my saying of Goodwife Pinchin that I was bound in conscience to beleeve what shee said upon upon that perswasion which I had of her that shee was a conscientious Christian did hint a dispensation to her and much more to any other whom I had no knowledge of to swear falsly I am confident Mr. Bushnel will never bee able to shew any rational ground of his beleef that my saying that I was bound to beleeve Goodwife Pinchin did contain in it an incouragement or dispensation for her or any other to swear falsly And one thing further this oath being false as I am confident it was and as it is very probable this oath being caused by such an invitation I am bound in conscience if an incourager or an abetter or a perswader bee an Accessary I cannot acquit some body the Dr. may guess whom I mean from being guilty of this and many following perjuries Here Mr. Bushnel is peremptorily confident that Goodwife Pinchins oath was false and that the perjury lies with her as before hee expressed himself had I said so much of Jane Hendy I should have heard of want of charity on both ears But I shall leave Mr. Bushnel to consider whether there bee not some want of charity in this his confidence But that my saying I

remember any such passage And as for Mr. Bushnels uncharitable conjecture that I did store up a good turn for him by reason of those words of Cottle I call the great God to witness who can onely testifie in this Case that I never had nor have I the least indignation against Mr. Bushnel in regard of Cottles words if hee knew my heart hee would beleeve mee Having called the witnesses which appeared against him the Doctors Mr. By fields and Mr. Blissets witnesses Mr. Bushnel adds Nor can these men have any just cause to distaste mee that I call them their witnesses when I have given my reasons of it I have told thee already that I beleeve that many a one which hath appeared before them and have been sworn against mee had never so done had it not been for their invitation and countenance which as before so at this time appeared most visible What hath before been produced by Mr. Bushnel to prove mee an Inviter and Countenancer of the witnesses against him hath been answered by mee and I leave it to the censure of the judicious Reader Now it seems by his words hee hath met with a most visible Evidence in the Case which is next to bee considered Having named the solicitors against him Mr. Bushnel adds And in their addresses neglecting the Gentlemen to whom alone of right this business did belong Their Applications were to Mr. Chambers and Mr. Byfield John Trevers and William Pinchin at the upper end of the Table standing at the Elbow of the Dr. and Obadiah Cheltenham towards the lower end waiting upon Mr. Byfield And this I conceive to bee reason enough wherefore I call them their witnesses I dare not return Mr. Bushnel any jeers but in good earnest it is strange to mee that Mr. Bushnel being as I know him to bee a Scholar and a Logician should think there is sufficient strength in this Reason why hee should call the solicitors Mine Mr. Byfields and Mr. Blissets witnesses because two of them stood at my elbow and one by Mr. Byfield For if this bee the reason why hee calleth them our winesses then by the same reason they should not bee called Mr. Blissets witnesses because never a one of them stood at his elbow or waited upon him But if Trevers and Pinchin did stand by mee which is more than I can tell Did I entertain any friendly discourse with them Did I take any special notice of them Did I speak a word in favour of them or their business Of this here is Altum Silentium which wee may bee sure proceeded not from any willingness in Mr. Bushnel to suppress any thing which hee had any hope might make against mee Upon the Relation of the Testimony of Henry Sheyler upon oath that hee was told by one Nowell who with his wife had dep●sed something against Mr. Bushnel that Trevers and Pinchin made profers and promises of mony to him if hee would appear and swear against Mr. Bushnel it followeth I must tell thee further that soon after this deposition of Sheyler was taken Nowells wife being before at a window and hearing what had passed comes towards the Dr. for unto him were the most especial addresses made and after a long and a low courtesie adds yea surely if Mr. Bushnel had not to pick a thank with Coll. Eyre told him of my Husbands Gun and said that therewith hee used to kill Hares and Pigeons wee would not have been here to day to have sworn against him And still continuing * courtesing to Mr. Chambers who then turned his head about and looked towards her shee adds further That hee had known her of a long time By this it appeareth that Nowells wife claimed acquaintance with mee and indeed her Father was my Clerk when I lived at Claverton But did I take any special notice of her or shew her any special favour by this story it seems I did not who did not suddenly turn my head towards her and when I did though shee spoke to mee yet here is no intimation of any thing I said to her which would have been the Principal Verb in the Sentence if any such thing could have been alledged against mee And now Christian Reader judge indifferently what reason Mr. Bushnel had to write page 139. that Nowell and his wife conceiving themselves injured formerly by him having this opportunity and countenance of the Dr. her antient acquaintance which is written in the jeering character they were resolved to bee revenged on us both I mean the Collenel and my self Having related four depositions taken against one Sanders who was a witness against him to prove the said Sanders to bee a very vicious person Mr. Bushnel adds It must not bee forgotten that before these three last depositions were taken at Marleborough the Dr. belike having before either instructed William Pinchin what was to bee done or else having been informed by William Pinchin what hee had done beckning to William Pinchin with his hands and twinkling of his eyes it seems as doubting that William Pinchin had forgotten himself Whereupon William Pinchin approacheth and with a low congee delivers to the Dr. a peece of Paper which the Dr. conveyes to Mr. Blisset with some such words There is a Testimony of this mans meaning Sanders behaviour which was by Mr. Blisset read accordingly The business was but short and my thoughts so much upon this Doctor that I little noted it onely I remember there were the names of some whom I knew set to it and the names of others which I have heard of Because Mr. Bushnel maketh much ado about this Sanders as if I had been under great guilt in relation to him I will relate all that I know about the business of Sanders This Sanders is one whom I never knew nor had heard a word of him till the time that hee appeared as a witness before the Commissioners William Pinchin came to mee in the Chamber before the sitting of the Commissioners and shewed mee a Certificate in the behalf of the said Sanders subscribed by the hands of some men of honesty and credit in Chippenham whose Reputation prevailed with mee to think it to bee of some credit and it is likely as Mr. Bushnel relateth it though it bee gone out of my memory that I might becken to William Pinchin to have the Certificate from him and give it to Mr. Blissett to bee read when Sanders name was in question not out of any purpose to bolster up Sanders in any wickedness but onely that it might bee weighed by the Commissioners whether Sanders were a man any way to bee credited yea or no wherein I was able to say nothing This is all I know about Sanders which whether it amount to a guilt let the Reader judge I shall tell thee here that William Sanders being questioned for the Sacriledge mentioned but now fled and that hee stands answerable for this

held it viz. Mr. Sterne who lived formerly in a Living sequestred of Mr. Walkers at Chilmark and it may bee was there as a kinde of a Curate to Mr. Sanger Dr. Chambers Brother-in-law But at this time was destitute and therefore right or wrong a place must bee provided for him elsewhere This passage maketh it evident that any groundless and improbable probability is sufficient for Mr. Bushnel to build vehement complaints upon against mee and the Commissioners For here is an uncertain tale taken up at a distance from one who told another who told Mr. Bushnel something to this purpose that Mr. Bushnel must not stay at Box because that place was appointed for another man I cannot but think that if this tale were brought back to the first Author of it hee would disclaim it as spurious But bee it as it may bee doth this tale if true warrant Mr. Bushnel to note from it 1 That by their own confession his place was appointed for another man where is any such Confession of the Commissioners who ever heard it what if hee that first spake the words related spake without book or upon some uncertain conjecture than which nothing is more frequent doth this prove a Confession of the Commissioners themselves in the case Hee is very willing to beleeve that taketh such proofs And as to Mr. Bushnels second note upon this uncertain story wherein hee thinks belike hee hath paid mee home hee may know that Mr. Stern was never any kinde of Curate to my brother Sanger nor any way related to mee nor had I any special cause in the world to look after his settlement And therefore Mr. Bushnel doth mee and himself open wrong to write that because Mr. Stern it may bee was a kinde of Curate to my brother Sanger Therefore being destitute of a place right or wrong a place must bee provided for him and so which is the Conclusion driven at I and the Commissioners must needs bee guilty of prejudging Mr. Bushnels case Let any rational man judge whether Mr. Bushnels passion did not here put him quite out of his Argumentative faculty I was told likewise that there were heavy exceptions taken against mee that I came not amongst them Mr. Chambers Mr Byfield c. and that I did not make one at their meetings That I did not associate but rather that I not onely neglected but despised them or to some such purpose If any one spoke these words or to some such purpose to Mr. Bushnel certainly hee abused Mr. Bushnels eares by putting a most notorious falshood into them which can never bee proved And therefore I cannot but stand amazed at what Mr. Bushnel adds And doubtless with the Dr. and Mr. Byfield this was enough to make a man scandalous in the highest degree Doubtless this is a most notorious untruth as may bee proved by many instances of divers persons not associating yet dearly loved and highly prized both by Mr. Byfield and my self Shewing some reasons why Mr. Bushnel did not associate with us hee saith one reason was Because the persons who were the leading men amongst them were as fierce and rigid in their way as are any I beleeve on this side or beyond Tweed If Mr. Bushnel doth beleeve this then I am sure hee beleeveth as utter an untruth as was ever told The men hee aims at I know are profest enemies to fierceness and rigidness in their way and desire nothing more than that Brethern of several perswasions may walk in a way of Christian moderation Relating how Mr. Byfield insisted upon the Order that none might bee present at the Examination but the Commissioners and their assistants hee writes And what if they had heard or known them Were your questions such that you were ashamed to have them known or was it for fear the Country should hearing your questions and my answers think better of mee than you were willing It is well known that I earnestly moved that all that would might bee present at your examination and had prevailed therein had not the fore-going Order obstructed it Speaking of the time when the order of ejection was published against him Mr. Bushnel writes I observed that while my sentence was reading Mr. Chambers had pulled down his hat somewhat low on his face but the residue of his face which might bee seen looked very big and possibly might say within himself That now hee had taught mee to bring a man of 〈◊〉 it upon the stage to make him the discourse and laughter of the Country for leaving Claverton and going to Pewsy I easily beleeve Mr. Bushnel that hee did observe mee at this as at all times most watchfully if hee might possibly espy any thing in mee to be complained of But whereas hee saith that hee observed mee that whilst his sentence was read I pulled down my hat somewhat low upon my face but for the residue of my face which might be seen I looked very big any man without much observation may see much irrational spite in this relation which can hardly if possibly bee made to consist with it self For if I pulled down my hat somewhat low upon my face how could I then at the same time look bigg with a little part of my face I suppose that in common understanding bigge looks are such when men do not cover their faces somewhat low as men ashamed or afraid but do if possible make more of their faces than they are by high looks that they may out-face such persons or things as are before them I am confident in true reason before unbiassed Judges there is a more palpable contradiction between the two parts of this Relation than between the two oaths of Jone Pinchin and Jane Hendy upon which Mr. Bushnel doth tanto hiatu tragediate pag. 94 95. And as for that spiteful jeering groundless and most uncharitable comment which hee made upon my looks and wherein hee seems to have a faculty of looking into my heart which I could wish hee had when hee wrote and possibly hee might say within himself That now hee had taught mee to bring a man of his merit upon the stage to make him the discourse and laughter of the Country for leaving Claverton and going to Pewsey I defie it and such revengeful thoughts as it most injuriously fathers upon mee whereas they were conceived and born in his own breast and begotten of his own revengeful imagination and I further say that the coining of such cross comments upon the carriages of others is a most unwarrantable practice unbecoming a Christian and much more a Minister of the Gospel I can never sufficiently bless the Lord that it is beyond the reach of Mr. Bushnel and his witnesses to make mee though a most unworthy servant of Jesus Christ the discourse and laughter of the Country though possibly some prophane persons and scoffers at godliness on an Ale-bench may make