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A19328 The ungirding of the Scottish armour: or, An ansvver to the informations for defensive armes against the Kings Majestie which were drawn up at Edenburgh, by the common help and industrie of the three tables of the rigid covenanters of the nobility, barons, ministry, and burgesses, and ordained to be read out of pulpit by each minister, and pressed upon the people, to draw them to take up armes, to resist the Lords anointed, throughout the vvhole kingdome of Scotland. By Iohn Corbet, minister of Bonyl, one of the collegiate churches of the provostrie of Dunbartan. Nicanor, Lysimachus, 1603-1641. 1639 (1639) STC 5753; ESTC S119005 43,296 68

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colour of Religion 2. You say the greatest matters of Religion carrie sometimes a small shew What is this to the purpose I know no great question in Religion but for the matter it selfe it must carry still a great shew and no small you bring grammaticall and nominall similitudes of words but for reall differences they are very great So Authoritas Regis and authoritas gregis carry great similitude in words but the reall difference is as great as betweene Monarchie and Democracie But you make all the question to be concerning Episcopacie certainely herein the question is neither small in shew nor substance for the question is 1. Whether Episcopall Government be Antichristian and your new Presbyteriall government that which Christ hath ordained in his Church 2. Whether wee within the Church of Scotland are bound now to beleeve under the paine of damnation your tenet concerning the government of the Church and you hold that it is a point necessary to Salvation now in our Church after such degrees of light and Revelation to beleeve your sayings 1. But that is a miserable light of yours that non can see but your selves your light is like ignis fatuus which as the learned say flyeth from those that follow it and followes those that flie from it When we came to your Commissioners at Glasgow Master Retherfort and Master Cant to aske resolution of our doubts your light fled from us your answer was Yee must denie reason and learning and helpe Christ a lift But while you were in Pulpit you made the people to beleeve that you could solve all doubts as having commission from Christ so to do let your light shine that we may see Are all other Churches yet fitting in darknesse not knowing rightly what is the Church Government and you only a shining Goshen in the midst of Egypt 2 If the knowledge of the unlawfulnesse of Episcopacy and the lawfulnesse of your Presbyteriall Government be a point now so necessary what is the cause that God never revealed how his Church should be governed all the time by-past for you must have this by a revelation and yet it must not be a divine revelation because it 's contrary to Gods Word The Prophet that hath a dreame Ier. 23.28 let him tell a dreame and hee that hath my word let him speake my word faithfully Hath not the Church of Christ that hath this 15. or 16. hundred yeeres been governed by Diocesian Bishops beenlawfully governed I am sure if God had ordained your Government he would not suffer his Church from the beginning to this time to have been blindly led But for this point I remit you to the learned Writers for Episcopacie As for your malicious aspersions upon that Apostolike Government because you speak at randome without reason I leave you in your choller to cry out against them as enemies to al Religion Pirats and misguiding Pilots And may it not content you what you have done you have done worse than the Pagan mariners did with Ionah to cast these your Pilots over board into the Sea and how shall you govern the Ship in this storme you have done worse than the Souldiers would have done with the Apostle Paul Acts 27.42 who would kill him for you have had such relation with Satan in this work that you have given them as a sacrifice to Satan as Satan would have given all the Kingdomes of the world unto Christ Luke 16.28 but if you have really delivered them unto him and he hath received them there is a deepe gulfe wherein they are that you need not fear their return to your Ship Acts 27.31 neverthelesse I say unto you with Paul That except these abide in the ship you cannot be saved And you should studie to know what that is to deliver over to Satan 1. Cor. 5.5 But you say You have spued them out of the Church and cannot receive them Ans 1. The Sea hath not been calme but a great storme hath wrought that excesse of loathing in your stomack 2. The Church spued out all Popish errours and amongst the rest the Popish Hierarchie and all Popish Bishops that hung upon the Pope their Head but they did not condemne the lawfull and laudable calling of Episcopacy which is more ancient than the Pope as ancient as the Apostles 3. If the Church hath spued out this lawfull calling as I hope you will not make it good she hath been in a great distemper and you should have covered that fault as Sem and Japhet did their fathers nakednesse rather than Cham-like to declare the same unto the world it 's our Scottish proverbe They are scant of newes that tels their Father was hanged Further you say The question is now whether we shall have a free nationall Kirk c. Answ 1. Are you beginning now to state the question when you have ended your dispute 2. With such a question How long will you wrong his Majesty who is so farre from taking armes against the Religion we now have to establish any other that he will still defend our true Religion You speake of base Slaves and cannot suffer that his Majesty should advance them But you speake too basely and whence are you with your Nobilitie you master Ministers with a Pope in your heart you despaire of your advancement with Aerius and cannot endure others Such as he who said Make me a Lord above my Lady and offered to leade a blinde Bishop that after his death he might be preferred to his place The heels once murmured because they had not the place of the head The Asse would climbe upon a Velvet Cushion to fawne upon his master like a Spaniel I pray you whosoever you be who envie the advancement of learned men or any others to consider that the Kings subjects are as Counters in the Kings hand whereof he makes one a 100. another a 1000. a third 10000. according to his pleasure And must he be countable to your humor Or must you be his directer You say you must stand fast to your liberty to withstand the re-advancement of Bishops Take Peters counsell Vse not your liberty for a cloake of maliciousnesse 1 Pe. 2.16 17. but as the Servants of God Honour all men Love the brotherhood Feare God Honour the King You began your reasons with absurdity and unreasonablenesse and you conclude with these last words That you can looke for nothing but for miserable and perpetuall slavery So they deserve that hold such absurdities Pondus adest verbis vocem futa sequentur And you must perish in the gainesaying of Core Iude 11. Rom. 13.2 and receive to your selves condemnation except ye repent which I pray God to grant you And as heretofore You have fasted for strife and debate and to smite with the fist of wickednesse So now I exhort you in the name of God to fast and pray that God would lighten your eyes in this Controversie and turne your