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A89872	Anti-Machiavell. Or, honesty against poljcy An answer to that vaine discourse, the case of the kingdome stated, according to the proper interests of the severall parties ingaged. By a lover of truth, peace, and honesty.	Lover of Truth, Peace, and Honesty.; Nedham, Marchamont, 1620-1678, attributed name.	1647 (1647)	Wing N375; Thomason E396_16; ESTC R201652	19,689	26

taken the Covenant stand ingaged to keep it out and for them for any politique reason to helpe it in again is to help to set in their conceits a plant not of Gods planting and that with breach of Covenant which will argue such levity and dishonesty so to alter against conscience and Covenant for interest that will make honest men abhorre and wisemen afraid to associate with them lest their interest change for then no bonds will hold them fast in freindship In the 4th Reason he dictates to us an everlasting practise of the Clergy to strengthen themselves which we must beleeve because he saith so without proofe But one particular is to mingle interests with the State or Prince c. which hath been no meane artifice of the Devill Yet reason third he perswades the Prince to mingle interests with them so rather then faile he will use the artifices of the Devill to uphold his Babell Flectere si neque as superos Acheronta movebis Last reason is that the King by closing with the Independent may so abate the fury of the Presbiterian that those of his party excepted from pardon may at last obtaine the benefit of an Act of oblivion Is not here brave and palpable jugling now as though it were onely the fury of the Presbyterians that hindred the Act of oblivion or generall pardon who though they be not altogether to be excused yet how notorious is it that none were more averse to any favour to the Kings party then the Independent and that upon pretence of conscience because blood must be expiated by blood till interest mitigates them which though it should over-rule passions and humours yet should give way to conscience Who knowes not that the Scots the most rigid Presbyterians would have had the propositions lower to gratifie the King And wherein could they have done that more acceptably than in favouring his party which to speak ingeniously he cannot deliver up to suffering in honour or conscience but he must asperse the sincerity of his own designes and protestations wherein they were his assistants The rest of the Presbyterians therefore may doe well to gratifie the King in this it may be a meanes to win upon him to gratifie them in matter of Reformation desired at least to hasten a setled peace a thing that all not onely in obedience to the commands of following peace but from the experience of the mischievous consequences of war both civill and spirituall should most earnestly thirst after no visible inconvenience of an Act of oblivion can over-weigh the misery and danger of Church and State for want of it if we can either buy truth or peace by an Act of oblivion he sees little that sees it not a good bargaine nor need conscience startle David in two civill wars to end the one 2 Sam. 3.20 21.28 to prevent new broyles after the other shed no more blood then what the fury of battell drew 2 Sam. 14.22.23 Therefore we have as good warrant for conscience to yeeld to an Act of oblivion for peace as our Saviour brought to clear his disciples from sabbath-breaking Matth. 12. Have ye not read what David did when he was hungry So have yee not read what David did when he had civill wars to prevent blood He let blood goe unpunished and yet the case in Davids warre was unquestionable whereas whoever shall consider the practise in our Kingdome the oathes of Supremacy and allegiance The Kings pretences and protestations must needs acknowledge that if there is not enough to oblige all yet there was so much shew that might draw well meaning men to his party that sure should incline much to moderation to his party and thus this reason would be turned against the Pamphleter I might after his reason call to him for politick observations out of History to strengthen his assertions touching Independents according to his own direction pag. 1. But alasse search all the Histories of the Church and you must returne a non est inventus what need had he then to jeere others I hope by this time its cleare there was no reason so to boast his counsell to the King Honesty in a few words will give more wholsome counsell That the King and his partty now brought low would search and try their wayes and see what was amisse in his cause or in their carriage Whether though he thought the demands unreasonable yet as things stood to prevent blood he should not have condescended lower Whether there were not many miscarriages in prosecution And withall to turne from men to God and see what God hath against them for abuse of power eminence wealth in oppression pride riot and whether many under him and them did not suffer like things to those which they now suffer being driven from house and home their families scattered and this for conscience and sometimes without nay against law And so with Rehoboam and his Princes acknowledge the righteousnesse of the Lord humbly before him commit themselves to him pray and waite and God will without any shifts or violation of conscience undoubtedly in due time exalt him and those of his that doe so improve the heavie strokes of God upon them And when God hath set him upon his throne let him exactly observe all his promises and protestations for cleaving to the Lawes promoting true Religion Justice in all his dealing to his People declining all shew of revenge for so shall he justifie his former proceedings be great in the thoughts and hearts of his People and Princes loved for justice shall never be straited in power Touching the interest of the Presbyterian and his party HEre he tells us First by way of preface that Presbytery was borne at Genevah what doth he think then of that 1 Tim. 4.14 The laying on of the hands of the Presbyterie was that spoken by way of anticipation As the Anti-sabbatarians say of Gen. 2.23 c. Or was he named before he was borne When born he was nurst up in the desires of many in England and whereas men use to be disaffected to the setled Government either out of envie or conscience he willingly allowes for good reason the Presbyters who reckon themselves for the old Puritans of England so much right as to think their disaffection proceeded meerly from a conscience well informed The first and onely good word that ever he allowed Presbyters Well yet we will not forget it if he doe not But yet he would have them to know they are not come to mount Zion till they be able to prove the chaire of a generall assembly the very throne of Christ This is a bare mysticall assertion which I understand not the sense of and he gives no reason for therefore let it passe And except they shew all the lineaments of their Government from Scripture it will fright conscience and be disclaimed as a Monster But this is more then ever the Independents did yet You know

This I shall leave to the Scots to answer but if this charge bee true with what conscience could the Independent engage himselfe by Covenant as the Major part of them by his confession p. 10. hath to maintain the Scotch Discipline against the common Enemies among whom the King and his party must needs be pars maxima if not sola for the Covenanteers combined by this Covenant against him and his force Will interest make an Independent ingage to maintain unjust usurpation upon the power of his owne Soveraigne Truly such objections discover wit to promote a cause but little honesty in a party Secondly having slandered Presbytery in relation to Monarchy he proceeds to see what he can doe in reference to the Kings party And here he saith The Bishops must have neither name nor substance and the Gentry must be inslaved in their own Lordships For the first Presbyterians use the Bishops better then the Independents for its better not to be then to be Antichristian which the Independents make them and all that are under them Besides what knowes he but upon accommodation the Presbyter may yeeld something to the Episcopall as they would have done to the Independent as to keep up Parochiall Presbyteries and for Appeals have a Presbytery of Ministers in every Shire whereof one to be president who may be stiled a Bishop If the Presbyterian can take his counsell to renounce jus divinum then undoubtedly he may yeeld to this expedient and there is probability enough the Royallist will accept it and by this the Old form being altered the Covenant according to the letter will not be infringed And for the inslaving of the Gentry by Presbyterie its false unlesse this Pamphleteer be of their minds Psal 2.1 2 3. And I would know of this independent whether if a Landlord and his tenant be in their Church-way and the Landlord be in question whether the meanest of his Tenants must not be his Master in Judicature And whether that be a mystery of iniquity in their new government Turpe est Doctori c. Well now he concludes That the Kings Interest is to close with the Independent for which he gives Reasons 1. Because they are the only friends to civill government in the world Credat Judaeus appella non ego Are they the best friends to Civill government in the world that with Papists divest it of all power in Church matters with whom that derogatory voice of the Old Donatists quid Imperatori cum Ecclesia at least with the Major part of them is good Divinity Doth he thinke this bare Assertion of his will take with his Majesty that knowes the rise and progresse of his misery cannot be ascribed to any party in this Kingdome so much as to the Independent party For had not they disturbed it If my intelligence faile me not the * * And for this their own declarations may give some evidence Aprill 9. 1642. Parliament had once resolved to have annext 12. grave learned and godly Ministers in every Dioces to the Bishop that should have so qualified his power that he should have had no opportunity to Tyrannize a course if it had bin taken the miseries under which this flourishing Nationlyes in dust and ashes the dishonours of Religion and decay of the power of Godlinesse occasioned by the Scandall and Distractions of this unnaturall war and all the disgraces and calamities of the King and his Royall Houshold had been prevented For what he alledgeth out of the Acts of the Assembly it doth confute not confirme his doctrine For first Presbyters claime only distinction of powers not exceptions as the Independent doth And saith he they borrow also from the civill Magistrate power to compell mens consciences but this is an odious calumny against the just power that the Presbyterians ascribe to the Magistrate denyed by this Independent seil to preserve peace and purity in the Church to take Order that Blasphemy heresie be supprest c. which power of his he ought to put forth on just occasion but that this must bee alwayes when they advise or as he maliciously addes commands the confession hath no Limit The Magistrate is Arbiter of his owne actions and is to proceed in execution according to his owne apprehension Thus the confession apparantly ascribes power to the civill Magistrate and derogateth not Secondly its easie for the King to mingle interests with the Independent An Independent then may mingle interests with socular power though it be a crime in all other reason Thirdly Because Independency leads them to admit rather of Monarchy then any other Government Sure this is but new light for the Independents so farre as I have had acquaintance with them either by bookes or conference have been most bitter not onely against the present King as farre as deposing or execution it selfe but against Monarchy eyeing the States Government of the Netherlands with their toleration as an imitable forme for themselves to aime at and his reason is without sense and against experience whereby it is plaine that Monarchy hath nourisht Episcopacy for its owne greater supportment who have carried an heavy hand over all that intrench upon them or would have exception from them 4. 5. Here is a doore of hope for the Bishops and their Clergy with all that are for that Liturgy which cannot be with Presbyterie trusted with the State The 5. Reason is in effect the same that the people that will not be satisfied without the externall forme of Diocesan and Liturgie The Independents may helpe to instate them in that forme again upon some visible assurance that they themselves will be left at libertie First its true ridgid Presbytery is incompatible with Episcopacy but with the Clergy that lived under them that were learned and honest not so why may not they live under Presbitery and beare a part in it in England aswell as all learned Ministers do in other reformed Churches And for Liturgy he cannot make it good that people will not be satisfied without this Liturgie so they have a Liturgie See the letter of the Wallachrian Classes to the Assembly cited in the view of the Directory pag. 43. neither is there any incompatiblenesse between a Liturgie and Presbytery I know no Presbyterians that hold a Liturgie unlawfull many that hold it convenient Liturgie and Presbitery have been consistent in all reformed Churches and may be in ours neither if my information faile me not was Liturgy expulst by the most grave and Learned Presbyterians in the assembly as unlawfull but onely to gratifie the Independents whose abuse of their indulgence now may bring them to repentance and a Liturgie may be establisht again at least to be free for those that need it and desire it But how the Independent can helpe to instate the people again in it without doing evill that good may come thereon is above my capacity They reject it as unlawfull and the major part of them having