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A09107	A relation of the triall made before the King of France, vpon the yeare 1600 betvveene the Bishop of Eureux, and the L. Plessis Mornay About certayne pointes of corrupting and falsifying authors, wherof the said Plessis was openly conuicted. Newly reuewed, and sett forth againe, with a defence therof, against the impugnations both of the L. Plessis in France, & of O.E. in England. By N.D.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1604 (1604)	STC 19413; ESTC S121884	121,818	242

follow be extant in the French tongue and consequently like also to be in England before this day yet for that euery man vnderstandeth not that language nor is it so probable that many men will take the paynes to translate diuulge the same to such as may haue neede or desire to reade it I iudged the labour not vnprofitable to performe the same from hence But besides there is another reason of more moment and more peculiar to this place to witt that albeit the former printed chalenges might come to Englishmens hands by other meanes yet the combat it selfe with the true issue therof togeather with the manner of the triall and particulars occurred therin which haue byn wrytten hither by most authenticall partyes as vnto the place where accompt of such affayres concerninge Religion is wont to be giuen could not or would not perhapps so fully and sincerely be related in England as the truth of the whole action requireth the reason wherof each man will easily coÌ„sider These then being the causes that moued me to take this little paine founded as yow see in the zeale of truth and fidelity I haue thought good to deliuer faithfully vnto you such letters as haue come to my hands about this affayre though not all For that diuers letters wrytten out of France by diuers other partyes reportinge the selfe same thing I thought not needful for me to print nor to multiply relations without necessity but to content my selfe only for breuityes sake with the letter of the K. Maiestie himselfe and with one other of the Bishop that was an actor in the cause wrytten to the Kings Embassadour in this place and to some other Cardinalls besides by them to be exhibited vnto his Holynes to whome the Bishopp well knew that the selfe same thing would be wrytten by others also lesâ—e interessed in the matter then himselfe and more then this that his said letters and reporte would be returned to France againe where all aduaÌ„tage would be taken against him by the aduersary yf in any one point he should exceed the bare truth in his narration which consideration may assure vs that he would haue great care to relate all points both truly and modestly as in his letter that ensueth may be seene that he doth and the same may be gathered also plainely by the K. letter it selfe to the Duke of Espernon which after we shall relate But yet besides these two letters there was another wrytten two dayes after the said Bishops letter by the Popes Nuntio in Paris vnto Cardinall Aldobrandino and by him to be deliuered to his holynes wherin is related verified though in very few words the very same narration which the Bishop wryteth as by the extract therof heerafter sett downe appeareth And this now were sufficient for a preface only to this matter were yt not that I haue thought expedient also to touch breifely two other points First what these two persons are which had the combat and then the briefe summe of that which passed betwene them therein For first the L. Plessis Morney his name and person is well knowne in England for that aboue 20. yeares past I saw my selfe a booke of his intituled Of the Church and notes therof translated into English and much esteemed by protestants of that time for that he wryteth more cunningly and couertly and is more plausible in shew both of scriptures Fathers then commonly other wryters of his Religion then were And for that he is a noble man borne and of the laity and not vnlearned in diuers languages and in great creditt for many yeares with this King of France whose Embassadour he was in England whilst he was yet a protestant and his Maiestie King only of Nauarre and now since his comminge to the kingdome of France much trusted also and vsed by him in his ciuill affayres and in gouernment of the towne and country of Saumur For these causes I say and for that he hath wrytten many bookes he is accompted euery where for one of the cheeife champions and head pillars of Protestant Religion in France wherby this his disgrace so notoriously receaued in that thinge wherin he made publike profession to be exact to witt in true and playne dealinge must needs open the eyes of such as are discreet and desirous in deed to follow truth and decline from falshood and so it did vs after yow see The B. of Eureux on the other side named Monsieur Person is a person no lesse eminent markable both for that his parents being great Protestants himselfe also for many yeares he being a man also of great wyet extraordinary memory and by reason of his state of life more occupied in studyes as is probable then the other comminge afterward by readinge and by Gods especiall grace to be a Catholike he became so zealous earnest and ardent therin as none do more when they are full informed that his greatest indeauours since his conuersion haue byn to conuert also others and to impart that light which God hath bestowed vpon him to as many as possibly he can In which respect the K. Maiestie of France hauinge loued him much and esteemed also before when he was a Protestant and no lesse synce that he hath byn a zealous Catholike and knowinge him to be both learned faithfull sincere made choyce of him for his especially Embassadour in Rome in the yeare 1595. to treat his great affayre for his reconciliation to the Catholike Church which hath come to that happy issue which â—ll the world seeth both for the good of his â—arson people and crowne And thus much of these 2. persons who being both of them so gratefull and well liked of the King as I haue shewed his Maiesties indifferency in iudgmeÌ„t also betwene them both the truth of the cause only excepted must needs be voyd of all suspition and consequently his sentence afterward prononced on the one side as by his letter appeareth must in reason be thought to haue proceeded of the manifest difference of the said cause and force of truth it selfe which he discouered vpon that triall Now then to speake a word or two of the action as it passed you must vnderstand that about Christmasse last there came forth a booke in Paris of the aforsaid Monsieur Plessis against the Masse which booke making shew as the fashion is of great aboundance and ostentation of Fathers Councells Doctors and storyes for his purpose great admiration seemed to be conceaued therof and the Protestants euery where began to triumph of so famous a worke published in their behalfe Whervpon diuers Catholike learned men tooke occasion presently to examine the said booke finding many most egregious deceyts shiftes and falsifications therin diuers bookes were wrytten against it one in particular by a French Iesuite discouering at least a thousand falshoods of his part All the preachers of Paris in like manner

Plessis had omitted in his allegation Which iudgments being read and considered yt was wonderfull to behould the great diuersity of affections which they styrred vp to witt of comfort and alacrity in the Catholiks and of confusion greife in the Hugonotts there present who being in number aboue 200. considered that these sentences had passed by the consents aswell of their owne iudges as of the other that there was no way left of tergiuersation And further that Monsieur Plessis being one of the cheefest men simply of their Religion in France and most accoumpted of for his learninge this his disgrace was the disgrace of all their Religion and his error inexcusable in respect of his former bragges and Protestations and of the willfull falshood now found in him Wherfore diuers of them and those also of the principall began soone after by assistance of Gods holy grace to open their harts to another cogitation for their conuersion as a little after yow shall heare The Kings Maiestie also was exceedingly moued in mynd to see what had passed as may appeare by his affectious speaches and letter wrytten to Monsieur Espernon that very night after his departure from the conference which letters we haue recyted before and the causes of his motion we shall touch a little afterward when we haue sett downe what ensued immediatly vpon this first dayes conference which was a great reason also to mooue his Maiesty the more as presently yow shall see Wherfore we shall relate the same in the very words of the printed Acts which are these that follow The next morrow which was friday the fifth of May at 6. of the Clocke in the morning came a gentleman to the Bishop of Eureux telling him that Monsieur Plessis had byn very euill that night that he prayed the Bishop to be content to haue the conference differred for that morninge but the Bishop asked him for how longe this delay should be the gentleman answered vntill that MoÌ„sieur Plessis should be in state of health to prosecute the same Soone after this there came to the Kings chamber Monsieur de la Riuiere cheefe phisitian to his Maiestie tellinge him that the conference was like to be broken vp by reason of the L. Plessis indisposition whome he said that he had left very sicke with violent vomitts and tremblings of all the parts of his body which he King hearinge comaunded him presently to go and tell the same to the L. Chancelour to the end that he and the deputyes should not take their iorney in vaine that day to the pallace which being told vnto them and they imagininge that perhaps Monsieur Plessis his sicknesse might endure longe sent that very night late to his Maiestie to know his iudgment pleasure whether they should remayne still in Fountayne-bleau or returne to Paris The King that he might giue them more certayne answere willed the Chancelour at ten of the clocke at night to go and see Plessis to know from his owne mouth what he would do concerning the prosecution of this conference The Chancelour hauing with him at that tyme the L. President Fresnes Canay cheefe deputy for the Protestant party in the said conference desyred him to go to him which he did and brought answere that Plessis was not in state to go forward now but he would aduise vpon it in Paris which answere being related to the Chancelour by the President and from the Chancelour to the King his Maiestie gaue licence to the iudges deputyes to depart to Paris which they did the next morninge being the sixt of May except only the President Fresnes who remained at Fontayn-bleau with the King But the next day at noone about six houres after the departure of the said deputyes the President Fresnes hauing byn to visitt Monsieur Plessis againe came and aduertised the Chancelour that he was much better in health that for his part the conference might beginne againe which the Chancelour hearinge sent presently for the B. of Eureux in presence of the said president told him the newes who was gladd therof and offered himselfe presently said moreouer that as yet his bookes were not sent away Which the Chancelour hearing called for the Secretary Monsieur Mercier chosen for the part of Plessis and willed him presently to go and signifie vnto him that he had vnderstood that he was better in health conteÌ„t to returne to the conference which if it were so the B. was also ready his bookes not yet sent away though some of the deputyes were departed yet the president Fresues their chiefe deputy remained others might be nominated at or vpon the very place it selfe But Monsieur Plessis answered that he was not maister of his owne sicknes which grew more and more vpon him and that he was goinge to Paris from whence he would not depart without seing the L. Chancelour to informe him of his affayres so conforme vnto this he departed the 8. of May being Monday and the Chancelour hauinge receaued his answere aduertised the K. therof and so they went all to Paris and his Maiestie arryued there vpon the 12. of May. And about some 4. or 5. dayes after Monsieur Plessis departed to his gouerment of Saumur without takinge his leaue of his Maiestie or seing the L. Chancelour as he had promised and without sending any word at all to the B. of Eureux about the conference or further triall Thus farre goeth the narration of the printed Acts published by authority of the King deputyes that were present wherby we see the end of this action and how the L. Plessis behaued himselfe therin But about 2. monethes after came forth the aforesaid little discourse with out name of author bearinge the title of true discourse of the conference at Fontayn-bleau full of elusions disguisments and inuectiues saith the B. of Eureux sett forth by Plessis himselfe though dissemblinge his name to the end he might enioye the fable vnder this maske and ly with out blushing obtruding to his Reader what he thought best For so are the words of the said Bishopp in the refutation of this michinge discourse which conteyned as before hath byn shewed three principall points the one in peruerting the story of the Acts themselues the second in diuising new shifts and euasions which occurred not vnto him while he was in the triall the third in recriminations or obiectinge other mens falsityes in like manner Which kind of proceedinge did more yet discreditt Plessis with the wiser sort of men then his former ouerthrow in the field for that this did shew indeed that to be true which Tertullian saith that heretiks may more easily be ouercome then persuaded and that Plessis had an obstinate mynd to go forward notwithstandinge whatsoeuer was should or might be proued against him but yet diuers other of the more learned and grauer sort of his owne

be answered albeit yf he do but sett downe the whole places themselues as they ly in the Fathers books whence they are cut they will need no answere but will answere themselues and confute the alleager and shew the shamlesse dealinge eyther of Peter martyr or Iohn Fox or of both in cytinge them The like deceytfull dealinge was vsed by Nicolas Ridley B. then of Rochester and after of London the next moneth following in the Cambridge disputation about the same controuersy of the reall presence wherof he being president Martyn Bucer refusinge vtterly to deale in that controuersie he affirmed to the whole vniuersity that he had fiue sure grounds for the opinion of Zuinglius wherof the first was to vse his words the authority Maiestie and verity of holy scriptures the second the most certayne testimonyes of the ancient Catholike Fathers c. Wheras the truth is that both these foundations are most euidently against him as much the one as the other which Bucer well kâ—ew therfore would not take part with him in that matter though soone after to remedy this breach he putt vp three other impertineÌ„t questions to be disputed against Catholiks but in this other article he know that Ridley lyed shamfully against his owne conscience for that all Farthers are against him most euidently so do the Magdeburgians their cheefe Protestant Chroniclers shew declare in euery age or century of their Ecclesiasticall history And yt shal be sufficient for the reader to cast his eye ouer the 4. Chapters only of euery century intituled of doctrine And thus much for K. Edwards dayes when Zuinglian Religion first peeped vp in our countrey After this man stepped to Paules Crosse in the beginninge of this Queenes dayes about the yeare 1559. and 1560. Maister Iohn Iewell otherwise called B. of Salisbury and he proceeded yet further in this bragg or fiction For he protested there euen with feigned teares that yf any one authority place sentence or asseueration of any one Father Doctor Councell or authenticall history within the first 600. yeares after Christ could be brought forth by any man liuinge for any one of those points of Catholike Religion which he there recyted to be in controuersie that then plainely and sincerely he vvould subscribe Against which vayne and shamlesse bragg when Doctor Harding and diuers other learned men of our side began to wryte from Louayne and to bring forth authorityes of all Fathers Doctors Councells and historyes in great aboundance the first effect of this chalenge that appeared to the world was a seuere proclamation that no such bookes wrytten in English by the Catholike party should be receaued or read in England vnder great punishments by which prouision Maister Iewell thinking himselfe meetly well deâ—enced he plyed the pulpitt often and renewed his chalenges many tymes and perceauing notwithstaÌ„ding that Doctor Hardings confutation was come into England he answered the same with a longe volume of Rhetoricall words stuffed the margents therof with the shew of infinite authors as though the whole world had byn for him and none for the other side and with this he deceaued the people then and doth to this day such I meane as haue not commodity or learninge or other meanes to examine those places and to find out the manifold lyes and falsifications therin conteyned And this was the gaine by all likely hood that Maister Iewell preteÌ„ded to his cause by that worke knowing full well that this sort of men is farre the greater which would be gayned and setled in his doctrine before the learneder sort who are but few in comparison of the other could haue tyme books and commodity to discouer refute him when they should do yt they should hardly be beleeued And in this conceate he was not deceaued yf we respect that present tyme and many yeares after as also yt is probable the L. Plessis Mornay had the like designment in stuffing vp his bookes with the like authorityes of Fathers but yf we consider the continuance of tyme wherof truth is said to be the daughter yt hath succeeded vnto him as yow haue heard and will do more and more dayly as to such shifts is wont to happen that is to say accordinge to Kinge Dauids sayinge before recorded â—pprâ—brium sempiternum dedit eis God layeth euerlastinge shame vpon them For how many learned men lightly of our nation haue taken vpon seriously to go ouer that booke of Maister Iewells to examine yt by the authors themselues with any indifferency of mynd haue for the most part byn therby conuerted to Catholike Religion though neuer so great Protestants before of which sort I haue heard relation of many but of some I can testify my selfe for that I haue heard it from their owne mouthes who of earnest Protestants were made most zealous Catholikes by that meanes principally of which number I thinke yt not inconuenient to name hâ—â—re some 2. or 3. omittinge others which for iust respects may not to be named The first of them is Syr Thomas Copley made Lord afterward in his banishment by the K. of France who often tymes hath related vnto me with much comfort of his soule how that being a zealous Protestant and very familiar to the late Earle of Licester in the beginninge of this Q. dayes when Maister Iewells booke was newly come forth he being also learned himselfe in the Latyn tongue tooke paines to examine certayne leaues therof and findinge many falshoods therin which were in excusable as they seemed to him he conferred the same with the said Earle who willed him that the next tyme Maister Iewell dyned at his table he should take occasion after dynner to propose the same which he did soone after and receauing certaine triflinge answers from Maister Iewell he waxed more hoate and vrged the matter more earnestly which Iewell perceauinge told him in effect That Papists were Papists and so they were to be dealt withall and other answere he could not gett which thinge made the good Gentleman to make a new resolution with himselfe and to take that happy course which he did to leaue his countrey and many great commodityes which he enioyed therin to enioy the liberty of conscieÌ„ce for saluation of his soule and so he both liued and died in voluntary banishment for confession of that truth which his Sauiour by occasion of Maister Iewells falshood had reueyled vnto him The second example which I remember of my owne knowledge is Maister Doctor Steuens a learned man yet aliue who being Secretary or Chaplyn to Maister Iewell for I remember not well whether and a forward man in Protestant Religion at that tyme espied certayne false allegations in his Maisters booke whilst yt was yet vnder the print in London wherof aduertisinge him by letters for that he supposed yt might be by ouersight the other commaunded notwithstandinge the print to goe forward and passed it ouer

themselues Concerning which Acts yow are to consider that about some two or three monethes after the said conference at Fountayne-bleau that is to say in the moneth of August wheras this conference was made vpon the fourth of May in the same yeare 1600. the Catholiks remayninge quiett and content with the victory of truth that had fallen out in their fauour Monsieur Plessis and his Hugonote Ministers hauinge departed and broken vp the said conference in the manner and sort which a little after yow shall heare and findinge themselues extreemely gauled with so dishonourable an euent resolued for some remedy to sett forth a certayne discourse in French without name of the Author the Title heerof was A true discourse of the conference held at Fountayne-bleau c. In which discourse they endeauoured to handle three thinges First touchinge the history of matters passed therin carpinge bitterly heere and theere both at the King and Chancelour and other Assistants Iudges as disfauourable and partiall in many points against them and their cause which is refuted by the defender to witt and B. of Eureux himselfe by the publike Acts and records of the conference and be the depositions of 200. persons as presently yow shall heare him affirme Secondly they diuised vpon better deliberation new defences for the points wherin they had byn condemned in the conference as both the Arrians did after the Councell of Nice wherin they were condemned and the Donatists after their conference with the Catholiks at Carthage and as euery man condemned at our English barres would do yf they might haue replyes allowed them after their condemnations The third point of euasion vsed by them is recrimination that is to say to shew that others also do falsifie besides them and haue vsed fraud in their quotations which though yt were true as in the particulars obiected is shewed by the defender that they are all false yet were it no honourable defence as each man will confesse And this is the summe of that discourse and the confutation therof Now then for so much as Plessis and his frends had published this false discourse yt was thought good by the K. his Councell vpon request of the Catholiks that the authenticall Acts of the said conference and all particularityes passed therin and taken fourth by seuerall publike notaryes appointed for that purpose before hand and one of them of the new religion should be examined anew vpon the depositions as well of the said notaryes as also of 200. more and so published to the world which was done and the whole presented to the K. by the B. of Eureux vpon the 29. of August in the same yeare 1600. which epistle for that it is short very substantiall I haue thought good to relate heere for a foundation of all that is to â—ollow for creditt of the Acts themselues Thus then he wryteth to the King himselfe that was present and an eye-witnesse of all To the Kinge Sire I would neuer haue beleeued that so publike renowned an action as that of the conference at Fountayne-bleau represented in one of the most illustrious Theaters of the world and adorned with the presence of your Maiestie of so many Princes officers of the crowne Counsellours of Estate and other Lords nobles of great marke could haue bin called in question or that any man could haue byn found that will dare to take vpoÌ„ him to peruert or disguise the knowne verity therof for which cause I haue abstayned hitherto to wryte any thinge of that matter least by publishinge my priuate testimony therof I should seeme to enfeeble the depositions of 200. persons of more authenticall creditt then myne owne but yet seeing now that Monsieur du Plessis contrary to the saith and witnesse of so many eyes eares as were there present and contrary to the testimony both of the mouth and pen of your Maiestie hath cast forth into the field a certayne new discourse wherin by his eloquence of Peâ—icles he will needs go about to persuade those that were present at the Conference coÌ„trary to that which they saw and those that were absent contrary to that which so credibly they haue heard I haue thought coÌ„uenient by your Maiesties permission to lend him the paines of a few dayes labour for settinge forth the true description of the fact it selfe as yt passed and therby to dissolue all his cunninge illusions and inchauntments Wherfore Soueraigne Lord I do offer heerâ— vnto your Maiestie the simple verity of the history as she lyeth in the Acts in her naturall white habyt without colours or paintings most humbly beseechinge your highnesse that yow will vouchsafe to see the same or cause yt to be seene and examined by such of whose wisdome grauity your Maiestie standeth most assured and yf it shal be found to be such as heere I do qualifie yt that then permission may be giuen to publish the same for a faithfull image and representation to posterity of that which there fell out And yf Monsieur du Plessis do hold himselfe content with that which passed in this conference he hath in his hands other 52. articles to be examined as the remnant of those 60. which were agreed vpon for the first Conference from which he departed without bidding any man fare well and hath had tyme inough since that to study better vpon them I for my part am ready to giue him the same exercise vpon the said articles as I did vpon the other 9. handled at Fountayne bleau and after these ended to come to the other that do remaine of the 500. falsifications which I haue bound my selfe to proue against him and so much the more willingly would I passe to the examination of those other articles by how much more graue the authors are and the matters more important his deprauations more enormous then those we haue handled as chosen out by himselfe and in the meane space I shall lifte vp my hands to heauen pray almighty God to continue his grace towards your Maiesty from better to better and to establish his Kingdome togeather with yours c. At Condie this 29. of August 1600. This was the letter and request of the B. of Eureux for examination and publishinge of the Acts whervnto the K. agreeing coÌ„mytted the reuew therof vnto certayne of his Counselle which had byn present at the said conference and findinge the same to be sincere and true in all respects as his Maiestie testifieth gaue order for the publication therof by his letters patents signed at Lyons in France the 22. of December 1600. Wherfore out of these acts as most true and authenticall I shall frame this my defence though very breifely against the extrauagant ouerlashings of O. E. in his answere who saith denyeth at his pleasure without authority wyttnesse reason or probability as after shall appeare by that which ensueth WHAT IS CONTEYNED MORE IN

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