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A38372 England undeceived in answer to a late pamphlet (intituled, Some ways for raising of money, humbly offered to the consideration of the Parliament, by a person of quality) : humbly presented to the same Parliament / by an English gentleman of Ireland. English gentleman of Ireland.; Person of quality. Some ways for raising of money. 1691 (1691) Wing E2936; ESTC R11034 15,471 22

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opportunity to that ingrateful and incorrigible Nation to wage War with their Benefactors and to endeavour the utter extirpation of the English Blood This indeed were but to repeat the Old Game to make the Irish Gainers by their Rebellion and the English the Losers For what equality of reason can there be in it to accept of two years value of the Irish Estates who have for above two years enjoyed the Profits not only of their own but of all the Protestant Estates almost through the Kingdom And with what face can this person of Quality pretend this to be the more merciful and Christian way to indemnify the Papists for all their Rapine and Barbarity upon a slender Composition for two years Rent and never think of the poor Protestants who have for two years been driven into Exile and forceably deprived of their Estates and from whom so much hath been plunder'd in Money Plate Houshold-stuff and Stock and so much damage done in burning their Houses and Towns and destroying their Plantation that if all the Estates of the Papists in Ireland were sold at ten years purchase and distributed toward their satisfaction it would be so far from affording a due Recompence and Reparation that it would not make amends for the fourth part beside the Charge of the War certainly no indifferent man can pronounce this to be the more merciful and the more Christian way to indulge our implacable Enemies by a Composition who have truckled to the French and abetted their Interest and to project no Provision or Reparation to our Friends who have suffer'd beyond Example for adhering to a Protestant King Neither will it be impertinent to animadvert how the Protestants upon the last Settlement were treated in a way not so Christian nor so merciful For King Charles the Second having by his Declaration from Bredah confirmed to the Adventurers and Soldiers all the Estates they were possessed of in May 1659. Nevertheless many of them were dispossest by the Irish who were restored by the Court of Clayms others were turn'd out of their Estates by such Persons as His Majesty thought fit to restore by Provisoes and Letters Now for the satisfying and reprising such Adventurers and Souldiers the gratifying of some favour'd Irish and for the hope of a future settlement all Adventurers and Soldiers were forced to retrench a third part of all their Estates which at twelve years purchase is worth four and also to pay one years full value of what their Estates were really bonâ fide set for which with above two years Rent which they have lately lost will amount to more than seven years purchase of the Lands they have been lately dispossessed of by the Irish Nay I have seen it computed that the Adventurers did viis modis pay 70 five years Purchase for their Estates and the Soldiers a hundred and fifteen And I would ask the Projector how long how often shall Overtures of Mercy be given to them Is not five hundred years in point of Time and Pardons extended almost every forty years in point of Grace sufficient to make an experiment whether a Nation be reclaimable or not But if hitherto such Lenitives as these had no other effect than to animate them to new Rebellions why shall it not be deem'd not only Justice to our selves but even a Mercy to the Irish to apply more effectual tho more Churlish Remedies What he is pleased to add in the illustration of his Argument by Instances from the French King may perhaps be historically true tho I must confess I never heard before that he had subdued Savoy but certainly are no way applicable to the Subject in hand nor urged with the relation of such Circumstances as make the case quite disserent If we do not hear of Confiscations or Extirpations in Savoy I am persuaded it is because it is too soon to alienate or destroy that Countrey before he be in possession of it so then in matter of fact it may not be true that they are subdued and if it be true it is no way pertinent for the Savoyards not being Subjects to the French King tho they may be conquer'd by him yet they cannot be subject to forfeiture since they owed him nothing nor were before under his Allegiance If the French King hath so nobly indulged the Gentlemen of Estates where he hath extended his Conquests in Flanders I am apt to think it proceeds more from Policy than Christian Compassion the Conquest of that Countrey being not intire and therefore unseasonable for him to shew his Resentments And well may he boast of Cardinal Richlieus Treatment of the Protestants of Rochel it is the first time that ever any of his Religion express'd any tenderness or humanity to the Professors of the other but alas this is but quoting part of the Text without the coherence Every man knows that knows History how indispensable a necessity lay upon the French King at that time to oblige him to a compliance with those Capitulations Secondly It is offer'd that these Peoples Crime is not so horrible as some would suppose it And in this Argument is a manifest Collusion The Author labouring to palliate their Villany by a pretext of inflexible Loyalty and adherence to the Interest of their Natural King whereas in very Deed their fighting under the Banner of King James was but in order to the Accomplishment of that long premeditated Design to extirpate the Protestant Religion and English Nation and by this means they had an opportunity to effect that by Arms and open War which they could not bring to pass by Secret Plots and Massacres King James by abdicating the Kingdom of England as is plainly granted by the Author did implicitly and consequentially abdicate Ireland and the Government which he retain'd there first by his Lieutenant and then in person was after our present King upon the Adjudication of a vacant Throne was proclaimed through England and in all the Northern parts of Ireland In the mean time the Spontaneous Abdication of the Late King and his voluntary parting with the Prerogatives of the Crown do render the Oath of Allegiance contradictory and unpracticable We do not blame Subjects for adhering to their Natural Prince which indefinitely taken is a virtue but we blame them for adhering to him in the prosecution of such a Cause as did utterly subvert the fundamental Constitution of these Kingdoms which the Subjects as well as Prince stands obliged not to violate In this Case they ought to have deserted as knowing that whoever adheres to a Prince in the abetting of a Cause which overthrows the Laws is punishable by the Laws of that very Prince But to say they were hardly prevai'd upon to ingage and declare is directy contrary to the knowledge of the persons that were then upon the place For whereas the Late King did not arrive in Ireland till about the middle of March the Irish Nation were long before fermented
Protestants from acting in the Publick Revenue they Constituted Popish Sheriffs through the Kingdom they applied the Revenue of vacant Bishopricks to the support of the Popish Clergy and took away some that were full they Establish'd Romish Priests in every Parish Erected Fryeries and Nunneries and publickly celebrated Mass in every Town they issued Quo Warranto's against all Corporations and fill'd them with Magistrates and Members utterly uncapable by the Law they Disarm'd all Protestants through the Kingdom and seiz'd upon their Horses and by pretended Plots brought them in question for their Lives And all this under the Government they were born under and to which they had submitted and in manifest contempt and rebellious infraction of the known Laws of the Land which enormous proceedings admit of no extenuation by what the Person of Quality alledgeth That these things were done by or under their Natural King of their own Religion and their constant Friend and Patron So that if there was a dissolution of the Government it was brought to pass by their Natural Prince to whom they adhered and not by him whom they resisted From all which it appears how little Mercy is due to them on this account for though we should grant it to be no Crime in them not to submit to a new established Government yet doubtless it is a Crime of the deepest dye to subvert an old established Government Suppose as he supposeth that a part of England in a great Revolution should not readily conform with the rest why it is very probable that brotherly Compassion and Charity would interpose in their excuse But suppose that a part of Ireland or Ireland as a part of England should overturn the Laws set up Popery Disarm their fellow Subjects Plunder and Murther their Neighbours and call in the French to their assistance Would England be accounted severe if they should destroy and extirpate such Miscreants or make their Estates a Prey No God and Nature require it Law and Justice do enjoyn it And in such a case I do agree with him there is as much Mercy due to Irish men as there is to us English The Fifth Consideration is no way cogent or persuasive They who have despised such Gracious Offers of Favour from a Merciful Prince eluded his Protections and resisted him so desperately in the conclusion of his Conquest will never make his Clemency beneficial to us though it may be of advantage to them in putting a sudden end to the War that so there may be a sufficient Stock lest to propagate another Rebellion in the next Generation And it is worth the noting what a considerable Person of the Irish Nation who upon the Settlement after the last Rebellion was General Agent for the Irish said to a Friend who ask'd him not long since Why he would ingage in so desperate a Cause when he could not in reason but think that England would in time subdue them Tush says he We depend upon our Allies but if they should fail we know that at last we shall have Terms given us I must not pass by his bold reflection on the King That since the Victory at the Boyn we have been fighting for Irish Lands Not so Sir we have been Fighting for English Lands for the Inheritance of English Men from which by force they have been dispossessed and subjected to a Forfeiture by a formal Attainder in a Mock-Parliament and to which we cannot expect to be restored without the Effusion of more Blood and Treasure And it is to be hoped that in time the Irish Lands shall contribute to our Reimbursement The Sixth Consideration is a vae vobis a perfect denunciation of Ruin and Destruction lest we be destroyed our selves by the French King by being too obstinately bent to destroy the Irish But I am neither convinc'd by his Reasons nor dismay'd by his Threats Tho we are to encounter Gog and Magog tho the French Turk be united to the Ottoman Turk yet by the Mercy of God the Confederate Christians shall not fail of success but triumph in time over the Association of Infidels and Atheists And tho this Person of Quality takes upon him to censure the Emperor for not making Peace with the Turk last Winter and to advise our King to a Voyage Royal into France yet since he raiseth an Inference from that Error and supports that advice by discouraging the continuance of the War in Ireland I am mightily deceived if he be not a secret Advocate for the French Interest for if the prosecution of the War in Ireland should be discontinued a hasty Peace hudled up the Irish Gentlemen restored to their Estates and the English Army withdrawn the Protestants there can be in no possible capacity to maintain their Ground against their insolent Enemies having no Rents to maintain them nor Stocks to feed them nor Houses to shelter them but must inevitably be exposed to the Cruelty of the Irish if their dear Allies in France should prosper in their attempts against the Confederates In the last Consideration This Person of Quality pretends to a great intimacy and knowledg in the present Councils and Policy of Europe That it is the passionate desire of our Friends and Confederates that we would make up with the Irish upon any reasonable Terms And this he enforceth with a Supposition That we might assail the French with all the Force we can make at the same time inculcating an implicit Danger lest himself in the mean time may beat us out of the Sea overbear our Confederates at Land and even invade England it self This is a tacit Rhodomontade and is doubly fallacious and looks more like a Desire than a Fear that things should so come to pass As we do not apprehend an unavoidable Destruction impending over us from the Invasion of the French so we do not understand any indispensable necessity for making Terms with the Irish For tho the last year the great Leviathan took his pastime in the Waters and insulted on our Coasts with fome shame to us and no advantage to himself yet we doubt not but in a short time an inextricable Hock will be put into his Nose And as for the shatter'd Remnant of the Irish whose late Valour did arise from Despair who have made some resistance when driven to the Wall and who never would stand a Fight but when there was no possibility to escape by running away they are not worthy of so solemn a consultation Why should the King be interrupted in the carier of his success and the Victor advised to so tame a condescention to the vanquish'd party when the surviving Body of them are crowded into a corner of the Land of whom the major Part are a Rabble of Rapperees and Tories ill Arm'd poorly Clad and miserably Fed who in all probability cannot subsist till the next Campagn or upon the advance of it must fall and be intirely subdued Add that this will be but a skinning of the