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A87432 A Judicious vievv of the businesses which are at this time between France and the house of Austria. Most usefull, to know the present posture of the affairs of all Christendom. / Translated out of French, by a person of honour. Person of honour. 1657 (1657) Wing J1187; Thomason E1598_2; ESTC R208868 100,087 241

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