so as to come in the forme of a servant Christ and his waies was ever so mean and low and base in carnal mens account that they in all ages stumbled at it in a low mean way he became an offence to many or a stone that many stumbled at and so is called a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence not that he is so in himself as I have said but he is become so being in a mean low estate as to outward appearance that men which look for honour and greatnesse in this would stumble at him saying is not this the Carpenters Son We will not have this man to reign over us but we will reject him and his doctrine and yet saith the Lord I will set my King upon my holy hill of Zion and thus Christ is laid a chief corner stone in Zion at which stone men stumble for the cause as a foresaid and yet he is such a precious tryed corner stone and such a sure foundation that the gates of hell cannot prevail against it so that whosoever believeth on him shall never be ashamed or confounded he being the rock of their salvation But peradventure some will object and say Obj. That the eyes of the people were to be made dim and their ears dull and their hearts grosse lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their hearts and turn and he healed Answ To which I answer and say That it is just with God to give such men up to hardnesse of heart who will chuse their own wayes and reject the counsel of God against themselves as this people did as I have at large before proved unto you and whereas Christ saith Obj. Unto you is given to understand the mystery of the kingdome but to other in parables that seeing they might see and not perceive c. Answ The answer is thus Such as seek to know the mysteries of the kingdome and follow him that is able to make it known as Christs Disciples did to such it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdome for then shall we know him if we follow on to know him for his secrets are with them that fear him but such as seek not after him nor fear his name his counsel is far from them and as for his judgements they know them not but their feet shall stumble upon the dark mountains and thus having given you the meaning or mystery contained in this ninth Chapter to the Romans I shall passe to the examination of your lawful Ministery but by the way curteous Reader take this use of information exhortation and comfort and first be informed that God hath not appointed any souls to be damned before they are born but from preconsideration of sin committed in time neither doth God harden men or give them up to hardness of heart but for their personall sin committed in time Secondly be exhorted then to seek the Lord while he may be found and neglect not the precious time and opportunity of grace but seek him and he will be found of thee because he hath sworn that he desireth not the death of him that dieth Thirdly for comfort with God there is mercy and forgivenesse our God will abundantly pardon insomuch that the Spirit and Bridegroom saith come and let him that heareth say come and let him that is a thirst come and who ever will let him take of the water of life freely and in so doing they shall finde rest to their souls even so be it The lawful Ministery falsely so called examined and disproved IN this subject of discourse I shall be very brief Read Sam. Fisher p. 553. to 588. first because it is but as it were to strip a naked man that is your Ordination hath been very largely disproved already and you shewn that your calling is from Rome by one which once was one of your own tribe and therefore the better able to discover you also once made dispute in my hearing when one of your tribe was tryed as in respect of his Ordination to the Ministerial function At a dipute at Headcorn in Kont Mr. Gotheredge did so affirm and shewn that his Ordination was from his Grandmother although father in God Pope Joan his answer was what though they did come through Rome yet they might be true Ministers for saith he Christ came through the liner of whores and yet was the true Christ but I suppose he was made ashamed so as to blush at the reply thereof but however I dwell not or dedend not on what this man or the other Author saith but do say that every man ought to walk in his own line or measure And secondly I shall be brief because I suppose that there be but few men but do or may know if they search the Scriptures that your kinde of Election and ordination is not of God First in respect of your Presbytery Secondly in respect of your charge or Office which is to absolve or remit sins like your Grandfather the Pope and so there came to be a pope in every Parish And thirdly in respect of your qualifications These I shall speak to briefly and also shew what the true Presbyters are and secondly the qualifications of such as are to be Ordained and thirdly what their work or Office is to do These in order but first I shall examine what you say and give a brief answer unto it And in the first place you tell me It would be too great an honour for you to answer me at large in this particular No great honour to prove the ministry of the Nation false because there by very few but know it already or may know it if they search the Scriptures and also that It would have argued some guilt in your call To which I answer and say It would not have conduced much to my honour before men to prove your Calling and Ordination not to be of God because there be very few but know it or may know it if they search the Scriptures and therefore no great piece of work so as to be admired at when all men may easily see it if they shut not their eyes against the light But I passe this and say I find that in this particular viz. the Characters of the false Ministery the burden lyeth very heavy upon you and pincheth very sorely and that causeth you to use such kicking expressions as followeth which is say you A fools bolt is soon shot and if an asse kick us we must not put him in the Court. To which I answer and say I do not envy the expression for these three reasons the first is because sometimes a patient beast will kick when his burden pincheth And secondly it troubleth me not to be called a fool because he that will be wise must become a fool that he may be wise and also we have a Proverb which in this is verified that children and fools
had a purpose about them before they were born was it to love him on hate him Answer Because I shall give forth the Exposition of this Chapter in its particular order I shall give a short answer to the question here and the answer is thus Israel stood much upon a fleshly account as I shall show you more at large in the discourse of the Chapter and pleaded their birth-priviledges very much and God did purpose both by Ishmael and Isaac and Esau and Jacob to take them off from that fond conceit and therefore as he purposed not to choose heirs to the heavenly Canaan by a fleshly discent or eldership according to the flesh so he purposed to discover it by these Esau and Ishmaels casting off sheweth the casting away of Israel and grafting the Gentiles in their place to type to wit Ishmael and Esau who were the eldest and so by consequence heirs to that inheritance which was but a type of Heaven the which the Lord shewed by dispriviledging of them of that earthly land and promises and giving it to the younger that also fore-seeing Israels unworthiness he would take away the Kingdom to wit the Gospel which of right did belong unto them and was first preached unto them and give it to the younger brethren to wit the Gentiles and yet notwithstanding did bestow great inheritances upon them and hated neither of them but for their sins committed personally and so I pass to the next thing which is a question also that you ask How Malachy comes to quote that place of Gen 25. and Paul to quoteÌ„ both Answer The very reason that Paul quoteth it is to prove the choice of the Gentiles as in Rom. 9.24 25 26 30 They being counted the younger people as Luke 15. And for the very same reason Malachy quoteth it and calleth it the burthen of the word of the Lord to Israel and sheweth them although Esau or Edom were the elder people yet for their sins the Lord cast them off and you Israel as if the Prophet should say who are accounted the eldest people to whom the service of God hath been committed yet you have broken it and done abomination before me and poluted my Ordinances and therefore as I was magnified upon Pharaoh and Edom by impoverishing them so will I be magnified by impoverishing you O house of Israel For I have no pleasure in you saith the Lord neither will accept an offering at your hands For from the rising of the Sun even to the going down of the same my Name shall be great among the Gentiles Mat. 1 11 12. and in every place Incense shall be offered unto my Name and a pure offering For my Name shall be great among the Heathens saith the Lord of Hosts but ye have prophaned it c. From whence take notice the Apostle Paul quotes his saying As it is written Esau hated for his sins which he committed in time and not for Adams Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated For the very same cause that the Lord hated Israel and cast them out and calleth them the people of his wrath for the same cause he hated Esau And that he hated Esau for his sin and not before he was born see Amos 1.11 Obad. 6.9 10 11 15. How are the things of Esau sought out thy mighty men O Teman shall be dismayed to the end that every one of the mount of Esau might be cut off by slaughter for the violence against thy brother Jacob Shame shall cover thee and thou shalt be cut off for ever Thou shouldest not have looked upon thy brother in the day that he became a stranger as thou hast done it shall be done unto thee thy reward shall return upon thy own head From whence we may see Esau was hated for his evil and not before he was born Again there is not one Text in the whole book of God that saith Esau was hated before he was born Rom. 9. saith no such thing As God respecteth not persons but looketh upon one man in misery as well as another with the eye of pity so he wanteth not ability to do them good Again If God did hate Esau before he was born then he must be a respector of persons for illustration take this comparison If two men were in misery and a third should redeem one out of his misery and leave the other in misery he must want ability or otherwise be a respector of persons the which neither of them is in God he is no respector of persons and to say he wanteth ability is Blasphemy but God hated not Esau before he was born but all that were lost by the first Adam was redeemed by the second otherwise the free gift was not so large as the transgression For as by the offence of one Judgement came upon all men to condemnation So by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men to justification of life So that if Christ did redeem but a part then there was but a part lost for so many as were made sinners by the first Adam so many were made righteous by the second Adam or otherwise Christs redemption was not as large as Adams transgression and then an imperfect Saviour the which to say were Blasphemy but the Scripture saith He tasted death for every man and a Sacrifice for the whole World and gave himself a ransome for all men and the like but it no where saith that he did not die for all or that he dyed for part of the world But you will Object Object and say That his bloud is said to be shâ—d for many Answer All are not a few then they are many but no man can rationally conclude that Christ did not die for all from the Text that saith he dyed for many or this is the blood of the New Testament Sometimes the word many is to be understood all which is shed for many If they consider that all are not a few as aforesaid and if not a few then it must be many and you shall see that the word many in Scripture sometimes must be understood all 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 from Daniel 12.1 2 3 4. Many of them that sleep in the dust shall arise some to Everlasting joy and some to Everlasting shame and contempt From 〈◊〉 if your sence be to be understood in the word many not to imply all in some places then at the general Resurrection when good and bad shall arise some to joy and some to shame all shall not rise onely some of both sorts and this is the manner of your reasoning from the word many but it cannot be proved that Esau was reprobated before he was born And although it be read in Romans the 9. That before the children wâ—re born or had done good or evil it was said uwo her the elder shall serve thâ— younger But in the 25. of Gen. it is not said children But two
particular order and first because the Text saith that the scripture saith to Pharaoh for this purpose have I raised thee up that I may shew my power in thee I shall shew the Text and the cause why the Lord raised up Pharaoh and first see the Text Exod. 9.16 17. the which is thus read And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up for to shew in thee my power and that my name might be declared thorowout all the earth as yet thou exaltest thy self against my people that thou wilt not let them go from which word we may see that there was a cause wherefore the Lord raisedup Pharaoh and that was from these two great evils first because Pharaoh had persecuted his people by laying great burthens on them under which they grievously groaned insomuch as their sighing groans and cries went up into the ears of the LORD OF HOSTS besides his murdering their poor innocent Babes and only for this cause because he saw the Lord prospered them and they did multiply and secondly the cause why the Lord raised him up was for his contempt in saying when the Lord sent admonition to him Exod. 5.2 Who is the Lord that I should obey his voice to let Israel go I know not the Lord neither will I let Israel go as if he should have said in contempt of the Lord what is it to me you Moses and Aaron what the Lord saith What is he that wil assume such authority as to command me to let you go I know him not nor will I take notice what he saith by way of command neither will I let you go for this cause the Lord raised him up that Pharaoh might see him to be a God of power as if the Lord should have said will Pharaoh strive with his maker or doth he suppose that he is stronger than he for this cause I will try the title with him I will raise him up and harden him that he may try the best of his valour and in as much as he will not know me here yet I will make him to feel and know my power in the read sea and thus the Apostle makes use of this of Pharaoh as a President to Israel as if he should have said O house of Israel take heed of striving with your Maker in chusing of your own wayes and persecuting his people as you have done his Prophets and also his Son yet know that there was none that ever hardened themselves against God which went unpunished you might take notice how the Lord dealt with Pharaoh and the Lord railed him up on purpose to shew all men and more especially you O house of Israel what misery would befall such as chuse their own wayes and harden themselves against God in not hearing and obeying of his voice Obj. But peradventure some will object and say That God raised up Pharaoh and hardened his heart not for any evil he had done but because the Lord would have all men know that he would reprobate some and harden their hearts not for their personal sin but that they might do evill and so he be just in punishing of them Ans Let the Objection lye this or any way in this nature it will appear very far from truth it having neither Mercy or true Justice in it First by the way it it very strange that God should proclaim himself throughout the earth to be a God slow to anger and of great kindnesse and not willing to punish or afflict the children of men and yet would have his name known by hardening of men simply of his own will and not for any evill personally committed that they might then sin and then punish them because they do sin is this Gods doings surely no such a thing is to be found in God but this by the way but now to shew that there is no Mercy or true Justice in it and also to offer some Objections of the same nature and so pass to the next verse and first that there is no mercy in it is clear because Mercy respects and pitieth men which are in misery especially when they were made so not of their own Will but made subject to it by another the which is the very câ—se with the Sons of men if what you say be true for they were made subject to misery and that not of their own Will or personal fault but by reason of Adam that made them subject thereunto so then if the Lord leave such in misery and not put them in a state of Salvation there was never any mercy shewed them and then his mercy is not above or over all his Works for mans glory in Creation was not of Gods mercy but of his love for mercy opposeth misery but misery was not before the Fal therefore no place for mercy where there was no misery Obj. And if it should be said Gods mercy was to all men in raising them from the dead Answ I answer and say that there is as much mercy shewn to the Reprobates in raising them from the Dead if your opinion be true as there is shewn to a man that is taken from Prison where he lives at ease and carried to the Gallows and hanged secondly that there is no true Justice in it is clear for if God do proclaim mercy for every man and say it is his desire that such as perish should turn from sin and enjoy his Holy Spirit Prov. 1.22 and yet notwithstanding before they were born or have done good or evill appoint them for condemnation Ezek. 33.11 and so shut them up under unbeliefe and withhold Faith and Repentance from them and yet command them to Believe and Repent upon pain of Damnation and at last condemns them because they did not Repent and Believe the Gospel when before they were born he did appoint their Ruine and shut them up under unbelief that they might not believe how this will appear to be true or pure Justice I know not because it is just as if a man that hath a quarrel against his Servant should appoint him a great days Work beyond what he was able to do by the judgement of all men living to that end he might take an advantage against him and then punish him because he did not do it how this is pure justice I know not Again how it can be pure Justice in God to command such to Repent as he never did intend should Repent and shut them up in unbelief that they might not Repent and then punish as aforesaid because they did not Repent this seems a very strange Paradox to me but Gods Mercy is over all his works and his Justice is full of Righteousness Faithfulness and Purity therefore such things as aforesaid are not in God its only mens gross mistake in Scripture Obj. But again peradventure some will object and say doth not the Scripture say that God hath of old ordained some to condemnation Answ To which I answer
simply in it self as a hand-maid as I may say to a Minister but I ever spake against it so as to deny it to be the efficient or suparlative cause of a Minister and do say that Christ ascending up on high and leading captivity captive and giving gifts to men is that which makes a Minister although learning may not be denyed to be a useful hand-maid neither may such be denyed to be Ministers whom Christ hath gifted to preach the Gospel to edification exhortation and comfort although they be altogether ignorant of that humane edification of Oxford and Cambridge and let me tell you without offence that I know none more ignorant in the mysteries of the Gospel than those of your stamp for the greatest part of them but I suppose the reason is because they ascribe preheminence to that which should be subordinate Finally Sir this is my advice to you and despise it not be more frequent in reading the Scriptures and compare them together trust not too much to this or the other mans opinion for if they were zealous yet they lived but as it were in the twilight and know that near the time of the end 1. 12.14 * men are to run to and fro and knowledge to encrease Whoso is wise and will observe these things even they shall understand the loving kindnesse of the Lord and that you may partake of the benefit of an understanding heart search after it as for hidden treasure and then shall ye finde it and have the closet of your heart filled with all precious and pleasant riches the which is the desire of him that desireth the welfare of your soul and all mens who am your and their servant for Christs sake George Hammon The Epistle to the Reader CHristian Brethren and friends and to whom soever feareth the Lord and especially you the Inhabitants of Sutton-valence and Boughton Munchalse and Maidstone together with the places there abouts the Authors desire is that grace and peace might be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ My dear friends the knowledge of the truth is of such great worth that it calls for our earnest endeavour after it to seek it and not silver and to search after it rather than fine gold and therefore for thy further understanding in the mysteries of God I have added this small pains of mine contained in the following Treatise in bringing to a publick view such objections as stand like a cloud to ecclipse or hinder the light of Christs doctrine from shining into the understandings of the sons of men and have answered them although I should have been more at large upon it if time would have given leave in reference to other occasions that daily called me from it when it was in hand the which also was the cause that it was brought to a publick view no sooner and therefore excuse its long absence I pray you and now my desire is that thou wouldst read it diligently and weigh what is written with an unbyassed affection and in so doing thou mayest come to see those things that happily thou hast not yet seen and know those things that yet now thou hast not known for how ready have we been to receive mens doctrine without tryall especially when they have had a name to be great learned men never considering the words of the Lord which saith Not many wise or learned men hath he chosen to reveal his hidden wisdome to but hath hid it from them and revealed it to Babes and sucklings and was it not Gods way to chuse Heardsmen to be his Prophets and Fishermen to be his Apostles and in a word such as were accounted ignorant men such as knew little of the law even such God did chuse to reveal his Son in that none might glory in men therefore take heed of being deceived upon such account but now prove thy self to be like the men of Berea the which were more noble than the men of Thessalonica because they searched the Scriptures to see whether those things that was preached to them were truth yea or nay therefore be exhorted for the time to come to give all diligence in cases of weight to try it by the Scriptures and seek to the Lord to give thee understanding therein and then doubtless thou shalt do well I have opened the ninth Chapter to the Romans and when thou readest it consider that it is a discourse touching the house of Israel that God was just in casting them off for their sins although they were the seed of Abraham shewing that Israel was also of Abrahams lines and Esau of the lines of Isaac and yet for their wickedness were rejected and also Pharaoh that hardened himself against the Lord and his people as Israel did the Lord chose his delusion by giving him up to hardness of heart to make his Name known throughout all the earth that all men might take warning by him And as to that which is spoken concerning the return of the house of Israel and the house of Judah out of their captivity and the Reign of Christ in Jerusalem I desire thee to weigh seriously because if thou understand it aright it will help thee much in the understanding of all the Scriptures in a great measure as Daniel Zachary and the Book of the Revelations when others will be found to turn the Scriptures into allegories not knowing what they say nor whereof they do affirm being never able to keep the Scriptures in a harmony it will also strengthen thee to stand fast in these times when the mystery of iniquity is geting up apace where there is no other Mount Zion taught up as Christs seat but what is in us and ere long in giving heed thereunto we shall not think our selves onely Mount Zion viz. Christs seat but will also think that we are the Christ to wit God manifest in our flesh for the mother of Harlots and her daughters viz. Rome and the rest of the Nations which have been upon her sides and suck of her breast have taught up such a kind of doctrine as a spiritual Reign of Christ to be understood in such Scriptures as speak of Christs Reign on earth the which is as a footing for the mystery of iniquity to work but thanks be given to our good God that hath given some to understand the mystery of the kingdome who will travel to bring forth the man child as I comparatively may say that shall rule all Nations with a rod of iron namely Christ upon his holy hill of Zion therefore read the Prophets diligently the which I have cited thou mayest also at thy leasure peruse Esdras which I have not cited in my discourse because some doubt whether it be Canonicall yea or nay the which I shall not trouble my self to prove it holy writ because there be Prophets enough that prove the same thing besides Esdras although he speak very fully to it as in many Chapters
we shall stand before the Tribunal of the Lord Jesus Christ Esa 55.6 7. we shall assuredly know to our everlasting woe and misery if we look not to it in time that our condemnation is not because the Lord never gave us means of grace and ability to make use of it but because we have not made use of what means of grace and ability that God hath bestowed on us and thereby our mouthes shall be stopped The Lord wil not condemn men because they have wanted ability to do what he commanded them to do but because they have not improved their ability that God hath given them and we become guilty before God Therefore Christian Reader be carefull to seek the Lord while he may be found call upon God while he is near lit the wicked forsake his wayes and the unrighteous man his thoughts and turn unto the Lord before the decree passe and he will have mercy on you and to our God for he is abundant in pardon but if your refuse and rebell ye shall be destroyed the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it And having shewed when the soul is hardened that is after it suffereth not grace to take place in it and the cause why it is thus hardened because it will not entertain the motions of Gods Spirit as you may see Iâ—b 21 13. Cant. 5.2 3. Rev. 3.20 I come now to take notice of the reason why such as do not or cannot believe the Gospell have it preached unto them and that is say you because they may believe without excuse Answ I do understand your minde in it which is that although God in his secret will never intendeth to save Israel or any that are lost but say you he calleth them or offereth means to them that there by they might be without excuse at the last day it s a very pretty assertion as though a man should appoint his servant to labour in his Viâ—yard God doth not command men to do that which he hath not given them power to do and then punisheth them for not doing of it and yet locks him out and never means that he should come there and yet at night beats his servant because he did not as he bad him and yet his servant must be left without excuse such a kind of modell is your discourse concerning God and the Creature that is God commandeth men to labour in his Vinyard and saith if they will not he will punish them and yet never means they shall come there but hath appointed them for damnation before they were born and yet he would hare the creatures think themselves in a fault because they do not do that which God never gave them ability to do nor never meant they should do so that upon your account God commands men upon pain of damnation to do that which they are altogether unable to do and also what he never meant they should do But happily you may say Object That God doth command men to do that which he never meaneth they should do for he commanded Abraham to offer up Isaac for a burnt offering and yet never meant he should slay him Answ This is not to your purpose and first because the Lord did declare it was but to try Abraham the case is not ours in this our contreversie for if it were said that God did command men to repent and believe onely to try them as it was said he did bid Abraham offer his Son up to try him then there were some colour for what you say but one is a publick command to all men generally and indefinitely Gen. 22.1 and the other a particular command to one person and that to try him as saith the Spirit of God in the Scriptures I might say more to this Objection but it reacheth not our case for as we say although a generall includeth or comprehendeth particulars The thing representing is sometimes called by the name of the thing represented yet every particular doth not include a general Therefore this instance not worth speaking to and yet I may say that in Cods account he was really offered up in a burnt offering for God gave some what in his room to be a sacrifice when he saw Abrahams willingnesse to obey his voyce and it might be as well called Isaac as the Bread and Wine is called Christs Body and blood because God sometimes calls the thing that representeth by the name of the thing represented but the Lamb did represent Isaac sacrificed and so might bear the name there is several instances that might be further to the answer of this but as I studdy brevity so it s not worth my paines and therefore I pass to the next thing which is You say That all though God would have all men to be saved the which you conclude is but all sorts and so pass only with a small glance to it I answer and say that you are as much mistaken in that as in the rest of what you have said and therefore I shall briefly prove that it is every person that God would have saved The Argument is If God would not have his Ministers preach a lye in his Name to any man and yet must preach Remission of sins and Gods love to all men thorow Christ then God would have every man to be saved God would not have his Ministers preach a lye to any man yet he would have them preach love and remission of sins to all men But God would not have his Ministers preach a Lye to no man and yet must preach Remission of sins and Gods love to every man thorow Christ Ergo God would have every man to be saved To prove this Argument first that he would have his Ministers preach truth and not a lye I suppose none will deny and secondly it is plain that the Gospel must be preached to every Creature namely the Creature Man and I also am perswaded that no man will deny the Gospel to be Remission of sins and Gods love in Christ to wit God reconciled to sinners not imputing their sins now if God did not intend to save all men then in commanding the Gospel to be preached to every man commandeth a lye to be preached to the greatest part of men the which were blasphemy to say if God would have all saved that Christ dyed for and Christ dyed for every man then God would have every man to be saved But God would have all saved that Christ dyed for and Christ dyed for every man Ergo God would have every man to be saved and that God would have all that Christ dyed for to be saved you will not deny and that Christ dyed for every man I prove these two wayes First by a plain Text without controversie which saith that he by the grace of God tasted death for every Man and Woman Secondly I shall urge this argument If Christ dyed for such is are saved and such as perish then
neither is there any doubt of their Election and yet you say that the Apostle Peter when he saith he is not willing that any should perish but all to come to Repentance means the Elect the which implyeth a possibility of some of the Elect to perish although he be not willing they should but it is meant that Gods grace is such to the whole lump of Mankind the work-manship of his hands that he is not willing that any of them should perish some of them will perish but God is not willing they should so do for he sweareth by himself that he hath no pleasure in the death of him that dyeth and if he have no pleasure in their death he is not willing they should dye but rather that all might come to Repentance and so I pass from this Text of Scripture And whereas you tell me of Mr. Ruttons ability in the Scripture to expound them beyond thousands of us Answer It is not my business in this place or elsewhere to commend my self or others with me because I know that as of our selves we are not able to speak a good word or think a good thought for all our sufficiencie is of God and therefore having nothing but what we have received I dare not boast but this I say as in respect to Mr. Rutton or your self if your ability be such in the Scripture as you seem to boast of it is hid from me although I have heard you declare your selves in preaching and praying and conference but I pass and examine your answer as touching the potter and the clay Ier. 18. and Rom. 9. Which Texts are not alike for say you that Text of Ieremy either means first that the Potters work was Adam and we in him Secondly Adams marring and we in him or else it means 1. Gods work in making of Israel a people Church or State Secondly they marred by disobedience but coâ—ldought be marred in his hands against his will was it want of power and doth God lack power to save those that are lost could he have done no more to Israel then must he cease to be omnipotent and cease to be God he did enough to Israel to make them inexcusable To which I answer and that in particular and first you say the Text in Ier. 18. and Romans 9. are not alike and yet you confess that the Text in Ieremy may mean that God There is great correspondency between the Text Ieremy 18. and Rom. 9. made Israel a State and Church and they marred themselves in his hand by their disobedience and that it is the same people and cause that Paul speaks to in the 9. of the Romans is very plain to any man that hath not his understanding darkened and that it was the State of Israel that the Apostle speaks to read the fore-going verses and you shall see that Paul tells us that they were Israelites to whom did appertain the adoption and the glory and the Covenants and the giving of the Law and the service of God and the promise and also saith they were a disobedient people and so by their disobedience they were marred in his hand for God did strive with them by his Prophets rising early and lying down late saying O that they would hearken to my Commandements then should their peace have been like a River and their Righteousness like unto the waves of the sea but as saith the Apostle in the ninth of the Romans that although the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the Sea-shore yet a Remnant shall be saved because saith he all the day long have I stretched forth my hands to a disobedient and gain-saying people but my people would not hearken to my voice Israel would have none of me O that my people had hearkend and Israel had walked in my waies Isa 63.9 For in all their afflictions he was afflicted and the Angel of his presence saved them and in his love and pity he bare them all the dayes of old but they rebelled viz. were marred in his hands and vexed his Holy Spirit therefore he turned to be their enemy and fought against them and thus God rejected them and made them another vessel being marred in his hands by their sins But here lyeth the Objection He made them another vessel faith Jeremy 18. but the Apostle in Rom. 9. speaketh of making of the same lump or vessel to honour and another to dishonour Answer It is evident that the Apostle reasoneth Gods power from his derree or determination concerning Israel because it is in answer to this Objection Obj. Why doth he yet find fault who hath resisted his will the answer is thus Nay O man who art thou that replyeth against God shall the thing formed say unto him that formed it why hast thou made me thus hath not the Potter power over the Clay to make of the same lump one vessel to honour and another to dishonour As if the Apostle should have said unto them do you ask why God doth find fault and who it is that hath resisted his will are you ignorant that you have alwayes resisted the Holy Ghost as did your Fathers surely you may remember that you are such as have stoned the Prophets and also crucified the Lord Jesus and yet do you say why doth he yet find fault who hath resisted his will nay O man remember who thou art that replyest against God canst thou have ought against him for scattering of thee into all parts of the earth as the chaffe is dispersed before the wind for hath not the Potter power over the clay to make it a dishonourable Vessel when it is marred in his God hath power according to his justice and mercy to save some of the lump of Israel even such as did humble themselves and cast away others that were stiff-necked 2 Tim. 2.20 hand and you are the clay and the Lord is the potter and ye have been marred and tempered by the Lord that is he hath sent his former Prophets and also his latter Prophets crying out unto you to return that sin might not be your ruine but you have resisted the Word of the Lord and put it far from you therefore the Lord hath power to deal with you as Jeremies potter did with his clay nay God hath power of the same lump to make one vessel to honour and another to dishonour that is God hath power to save some of the lump of Israel even such as did believe and obey the Gospel and also to cast away others of the same lump of the house of Israel which did refuse and rebell against him and yet be just when he judgeth and this is agreeable with the words of Paul to Timothy which saith But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and of earth and some to honour and some to dishonour And whereas the Apostle saith hath not the Potter
Answer There is not the word children mentioned in the 11. vers but it is mans word and not Gods that is the word children is put in by man there is not the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 viz. children in that eleventh verse of the ninth chapter to the Romans in the original but I read as beforesaid 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and so forth the word children being not mentioned and if you take notice of the word children it is printed in a less letter than the other words are the which implyeth that it is not in the original and also observe the words of God to Rebecca he doth not say two children are in the womb and the Younger shall serve the Elder but saith thus Gen. 25.23 Two Nations are in thy womb and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels and the one people shall be stronger than the other people and the elder shall serve the younger From hence we see that as there is no mention made of hating one and loving the other in this Text neither is there mention made of children at all in that Text and because my time is very precious I shall in few words sum up the matter contained in these two verses and so to the next verse and the scope of the verse in short is this That God did by these two types shew his purpose concerning the Jews and Gentiles as touching their admittance into Evangelical blessings that is that it might not depend upon any fleshly account or works of the laws but might depend only upon Gods free grace thorow his call in the Gospel so that the Jews might not have admittance thorow the law the which is a way of dept but thorow Faith in Gods call which is of or by grace and so in the next verse I shall shew that God hated not Esau before he was born but rather shews Rebecca and also all those that would take notice of it that not only Edom were to be Israels servants but also that the first should be last and the last first that is that although the Jews were such as of right were and had the kingdom first tendred to them thorow the Gospel yet were the last that should enjoy it Vers 12. It was said unto her the elder shall serve the younger Annot. In this Verse we may understand Gods mind was to make either Esau subordinate to Iacobs literally or else to make Edom subordinate to Israel let it be taken either way it mattereth not how beit all that was said either of Jacob or Esau before they were born was no more but this that one should be servant to the other and this might be and yet both in a state of salvation so then what the Lord saith as touching Esau before he was born argueth not his reprobation but you will say that the Apostle saith he was hated the which brings me to the examination of the thirteenth verse which is as followeth Vers 13. As it is written Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated Annot. From hence observe that the Apostle doth not say that Esau was hated before he was born but adds Malachies words saying as it is written mark that Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated now that we may the better understand whether God hated Esau before he was born or afterwards for his wickedness let us take good notice what Malachy saith as touching it because Saint Paul refers us to him saying as it is written Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated and it is not written so in Genesis 25. therefore take notice of the words of the Lord as touching Esau or Edom spoken by the mouth of Amos Obadia and Malachy and first Amos speaks of Edom which imputively is Esau they being his loâ—nes saying For three transgressions of Edom and four I will not turn away the punishment thereof because he did pursue his Brother with a sword and cast off all pitty and his anger did bear perpetually and kept his wrath for ever and Malachy joyning issue as it were with Amos saith as concerning Israel and Edom thus I have loved you saith the Lord viz. Israel yet ye say wherein hast thou loved us was not Esau Jacobs brother yet I loved Jacob and hated Esau and laid his mountains and heritage wast for the Dragons of the wilderness where as Edom saith we are impoverished but we will return and build the desolate places thus saith the Lord they shall build but I will throw down and they shall call them the borders of wickedness mark that and the people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever and Obadiah sheweth the very cause wherefore the Lord hated Esau and that was for his wickedness committed in time as you may see if you seriously read him his words are these How are the things of Esau searched out how are his hid things sought out all the men of thy confederacy have deceived thee for thy violence against thy Brother Iacob shame shall cover thee and thou shalt be cut off for ever Obâ—d 7 8 9 10 11 12. From hence we may see the Lord did hate Esau and also the cause wherefore he so did but there is no Text that saith God hated Esau before he was born for as I have said Saint Paul doth not say that God hated him before he was born but only makes use of Gen 25. and Mal. 1. to shew the house of Israel that although Edom from Esau was of right the people that should have enjoyed Canaan and those outward administrations by vertue of the fleshly descent if God did chuse only according to that way as Israel supposed was Gods way in his choice but God had another way to chuse viz. thorow Faith in calling and therefore sheweth Rebecca that the elder People or Nation viz Edom should be subordinate to the younger people or Nation viz. Israel and when Esau and Edom had done wickedly then the Lord saith by his Prophet Malachy that therefore he hated them and this is the sum of what Paul saith Rom 9. v. 13. and now for brevity and memories sake I shall sum up the matter contained in this verse in short and so pass to the next the words are these As it is written Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated Annot. The scope of the verse is this for asmuch as Israel did murmur against the Gentiles for Christs sake and the Gospels because Christ would eat and be familiar with them and also that they were admitted to Gospel priviledges by faith thorough the preaching of the Apostles and therefore would persecute them the Apostle reasoneth with them on this wise as if he should say take heed you house of Israel how you murmur and persecute your younger brethren the Gentiles for you may know that God may chuse them who are the younger people to the administrations of the Gospel as well as he did chuse you that were
is the power of God to salvation to Iews and Gentiles Rom. 1.16 To which I answer and say and first I hope no man will deny what the Gospel saith to be true I ever did affirm that the Gospel was the power of God to salvation to all that did believe it both of Iew and Gentile is it therefore of necessity that the whole house of Israel must believe and be converted by it I am sure the first chapter of the Romanes cited by you proves it not But secondly we konw that for Israels rebellion God gave them up to unbelief 1 Pet. 2.7 8 9 Mat 23 37 38. so that Christ and the Gospell was a stone of stumbling unto them and they not to see Christ viz believe in him untill the time mark that that they shall say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord Mich. 5.1 2 3 4. and till she that travelleth bringeth forth then shall the remnant of his brethren return to the children of Israel and not the children of Israel to them but they shall remain in their unbelief untill they shall see him come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory at that time saith the Lord I will pour out upon the house of David Zach. 12.8 9 10 11 12 13. and upon the inhabitants of Hierusalem the spirit of grace and supplication and they shall look upon him whom they have peirced and they shall mourn every family apart and the Apostle Paul is more plain Rom. 11.25 26 27 28 29. saying As touching the Gospel they are enemies implying that they would never believe in Christ through the means afforded them in the Gospel The house of Israel not converted by a Gospel-preaching but by the glorious appearance of the Lord Christ but their gifts and calling was to be as aforesaid without repentance and therefore Paul reasons on this wise as if he should have said you Gentiles be not ignorant of this that the Iews shall again be a glorious people and then sheweth them which way this great work should be brought to passe that is saith he although they be enemies and also will be as touching the Gospel yet saith he when Christ shall come in his glory to Hierusalem to plead for the disperced of Judah he will pour on them of his Spirit when they shall see him in his glory and they shall then say This is our God Isa 25.8 9. we have waited for him and then will he cleanse Iudah and Hierusalem from all their transgressions and this is the manner of the Iews conversion as is fully implyed by Pauls words to the Romanes which saith The Redeemer shall come to Zion and turn transgressions from Iacob for this is my Covenant when I take away their sinnes as for the Gospel they are enemies for your sake but touching election they are beloved for the fathers sake for the gifts and calling of God is without repentance From whence we may see that the house of Israel shall not be converted by a Gospel-preaching but by the glorious appearance of Christ the redeemer of Israel not that I deny that any of the Iews shall be converted by a Gospel preaching for there was some converted in the primitive time and possibly there may by some means some few be converted that way but that conversion that the Scripture makes mention of which is universal to the whole house of Israel shall not be a Goâ—â—el-preaching and so I passe to your second reason that you gave why the Iews shall be converted by a Gospel-preaching which is say you There is no other name given by which men may be saved but Iesus now the name Christ is conveyed to men in a Gospel Way To which I answer and say that it is true that there is no OTHER name given by which men may be saved but are â—one saved but such as know him through preaching and what if it be so that the wrath of God doth lye heavy upon the stubborn Iews I could say much to these things but I suppose any man may see that hath his eyes open that there is no strength of reason in this to prove that of necessity the Iews must be converted by a Gospel-preaching whom God hath appointed to be converted another way as I have proved namely by the Redeemers coming to Zion and restoring the kindome of Israel and raigning over the house of David upon his Throne in Hierusalem but I passe to your thâ—d and last reason to prove that they shall be converted by a Gospel-preaching for say you The Iews shall through our mercy obtain mercy Rom. 11.25 26 27 28. 29. This Scrpture calls the manner of the Jews conversion a mystery and saith that his Covenant is to take away their sins by Christs coming to Zion and turning transgression from Jacob and therefore not by Gospel preaching Rom. 11 31. To which I answer and say that to say the Iews shall obtain mercy is the truth but to say that that mercy is conversion by a Gospel preaching cannot be proved because God hath not promised to convert them that way but this is his way that he hath covenanted to take away their sins the Redeemer shall come to Zion as aforesaid and turn transgression from Iacob But a word or two to the Text it self which saith Thorough your mercy Isa 59.15 16 17 18 19 20 21. they shall obtain mercy This Text is expounded more plainer in the prophecy of Isaiah which sheweth that in the last daies godly men viz. believing Gentiles will become a prey to their enemies and that justice shall not be executed but the wicked mens will shall be their law and that violence and wickedness shall be committed by them towards the godly and also the Lord saw that the godly had no interceder or none to plead their cause at which he wondered for which cause he put on the garment of vengeance for cloathing and was clad with zeal as with a cloak and saith according to their deeds will I repay them and thus in our mercy they shal obtain mercy for when the Lord cometh thus forth of his holy habitation Every eye shall see him and they that peirced him shall admire and mourn at which time the spirit of prayer and supplication shall be poured upon them and they made a very glorious people and this is the way by which they shall come to believe and so through our mercy obtain mercy Read Rom. 11. Esa 59. 60. chap. and compare them And I passe to the next thing and by the way whereas you go about by way of argument to convince me Page 32. that it is lawful for the Jews to be tollerated to live in England I say in answer to it The Jews may be tolerated to live in England for ought I have against it but your tribe likes it not and I also think it will not conduce to