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A08707 The ansvvere of the vicechancelour, the doctors, both the proctors, and other the heads of houses in the Vniversitie of Oxford (agreeable, vndoubtedly, to the ioint and vniforme opinion, of all the deanes and chapters, and all other the learned and obedient cleargy, in the Church of England.) To the humble petition of the ministers of the Church of England, desiring reformation of certaine ceremonies and abuses of the Church. University of Oxford. 1603 (1603) STC 19011; ESTC S113819 26,966 50

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THE ANSVVERE OF THE VICECHANCELOVR THE DOCTORS both the Proctors and other the Heads of Houses in the Vniversitie of Oxford Agreeable vndoubtedly to the ioint and Vniforme opinion of all the Deanes and Chapters and all other the learned and obedient Cleargy in the Church of England To the humble Petition of the Ministers of the Church of England desiring Reformation of certaine Ceremonies and Abuses of the Church Beware of the Concision Philip. 3.2 Cum sub specie studij perfectionïs imperfectionem nullam tolerare possumus aut in Corpore aut in membris Ecclesiae tunc Diabolum nos tumefacere superbia hypocrisi seducere moneamur Calvin advers Anabapt Art 2. AT OXFORD Printed by Ioseph Barnes and are to be sold in Paules Church-yard at the signe of the Crowne by Simon VVaterson 1603. TO THE MOST REVEREND and Right Honorable the L. Archb. of Canterbury his Grace Primate and Metropolitane of all England the L. Buchurst L. High Treasurer of England and Chancelour of the Vniversity of Oxford the L. Cecill of Esingden Principall Secretarie to his Maiestie and Chancelour of the Vniversity of Cambridge Lords of his Maiesties most Honorable Privie Counsell MANY and excellent were the blessings which it pleased Almightie God to bestowe vpon this Nation by the Ministery of his chosen servant our late Soveraigne yet none of thē were comparable vnto these the Purity of Religion perpetually supported by one Vniforme most ancient kind of commendable Church government and the plenty of al manner of good learning abundantly derived from the two Welsprings therof into al the parts both of the Church and Common-wealth For the continuance both of them and the rest it was her wise and happy care to select and take neere vnto her successiuely Men of rare Endowmēts personal gifts men of deepe iudgment long experience great moderation loving learning and fearing God Whome therefore shee did place in chiefest authority vnder her that vnder her they might be the greater comfort to the Ministery the better encouragement vnto learning the more noble countenance to Religion and as the Prophet speaketh a Psal 21.6 set as blessings to the whole land In this honorable rancke we cannot Most Reverend Right Honorable without open wrong but acknowledge your Lordships to be second vnto none of all your predecessours The long experience that this kingdome hath had of your honorable Imployments for the maintenance of Religion and learning as your severall places doe speciallie require would checke our want of duty if wee did dissemble it and silence the detraction of any other that should goe about to impeach it Which as wee recount with singuler comfort for the daies that are past so for the present it is the very stay of our harts that the same ●od of his accustomed goodnes hath given the same minde vnto our most gracious and dread Soveraigne to preserue and propagate the same things in Church and Common-wealth by the Godly care prudent counsaile of the very selfesame Persons For had we not vnder his Princely wisedome clemency such immediate Patrones which now with long vse are growne into a very sympathy of our estates to whō we might resort in our needful times of trouble it would amate our mindes and vtterly astonish vs in our vnderstanddings to see the insolent endevours straunge attempts of sond Familists absurd Brownists perfidious Papists all of them with importunity and selfe-conceited confidence intending and expecting the innovation of Religion through the overthrow of the Cleargy and ruine of the Vniversities All which notwithstanding had not opened the dores of our lips nor made way to this our iust complaint but that there came to our sight long since An humble petition of a Thousand Ministers at once Which wee may well resemble vnto still running streames which are deepest there where they seeme to be most calme This wee beheld with great sorrow of heart considering how it is repleate with vnthankefulnes towards God for his mercies towards vs with iniury to Her gracious governmēt whose Memory be precious vnto all posterity with reproach to their Fathers that begot them in the Gospell with preiudice to the Breasts that if they be any thing did give them sucke with contempt of their Brethren and fellow Laborers at the least in the Lordes harvest Howbeit as long as it passed in private vnder the name of a particular motion made to his most excellent Maiestie we l●id our handes vpon our mouthes and with due reverence expected in silence the wise resolution of His religious heart But these men as they are impatiēt of delay or els to gaine credite with the people on whom they greatly do rely soone after send forth into al quarters of the Realm store of these pretended Petitions accompanied vvith such lewd false and absurde suggestions as if our noble King had lent their motion a favourable eare and given it some kind of consenting intertainment as if in all this they had done nothing whervnto they were not animated and encouraged by some of speciall credite with his Highnes as if some busie headed strangers had vndertaken their cause and ensured the safe conduit of their weather beaten barge to the haven of their hope Were there any such wee would request them to remember that it is neither manners nor discretion to take vppon them in a State wherein for ought we know they haue nothing to doe It may suffice that they are partakers of the good things of the land let them thanke God and the King and be quiet But wee are verily perswaded there are none such that this as all the rest is given out vnder hand among their credulous adherents onely ad faciendum populum A tricke of theirs with which we have bin long acquainted This course Right Honorable did make vs thinke that nowe they had altered the nature of that foresaide Schedule and of an Intitled Petition to his Maiesty Had made it a covert kind of libell Wherby securely as they thought they might depraue and slaunder not only the Communiō booke but the whole estate of the Church as it standes reformed by our late Soveraigne VVhich vndue dishonest practise having so changed the quality of their Petition whether it hath brought the Contrivers and Preferrers of it within the compasse of that statute 1. Elizab and made them lyable to the Penalties of the same we take not vpon vs to determine Howbeit hereof we could not but take notice that by their impunity diverse other very lewdly affected haue in diverse parts of the kingdome presumed to trouble his Maiesty and taxe the state with the like clamorous libelles and defamatory supplications The consideration whereof beganne to admonish vs that now it sorted with our duty to shewe our selues as truly zealous carefully religious in the defence of the Church for the quieting of mens mindes and setling of their consciences by some shorte animadversions vpon their
two Laws Canon and Civil and by the warrant of sūdry Examples of the word of God as that worthy learned Deane of the Arches the ornament honor of his profession in his time in his iudicious l The Apolog. 2 part Cha. 9. and so forth to the end of the same Apology of certain proceedings in Courts Ecclesiastical doth proue at large 9 Licenses for Marriage without Banes are most cautiously graunted and that vpon m Const Eccl. 1597 cap. de moder Indulg severe punishmente to ensue if so be the Constitution be violated But what wil satisfie these men who thus intimate vnto his Highnesse that there is rigor in the former point and negligence in this when as al moderation and carefulnes is vsed in them both And are not these heynous enormities Their Conclusion THe idle vaunt that the Petitioners make of being able to shew that these and other such abuses as they call them remaining and practised in the Church of England are not agreeable to the Scriptures doth appeare to be the more ridiculous because they haue passed over in deepe silence many learned n The perpet gover of Chri. Chur. A survey of the pret holy disc The answer to the Abstract The Apol. of certaine proceed in Cour. Eccle. A treatise of Eccles Discip De Presbyt eiusque nova c. De div Minist Evan. grad c The Remonstrance Querimonia Ecclesiae The 5. bookes of the laws of Eccles polit Tracts published long since wherein their vaine fancies and illiterate obiections are refuted at large If notwithstanding they wil yet venture to vvrite it vvil bee answered If they wil needes argue and dispute there are ready that wil either satisfie them or by argument silence them And were it not in regard that we would not seeme as vndutiful in accepting as they haue beene in the offering of this Challendge it is the thing we would vrge instantly entreat that these matters might be debated betweene vs in writing But in the mean time what motiōs are these for the Reformers to make vnto a most prudēt Prince in his setled peaceable government who for many years hath had trial in that his other kingdome of their pretēded reformation in this also hath seene the gracious effectes vnder her Maiesties late happy Raigne of that Church discipline which they would ruinate and ouerthrow God hath appointed his Maiestye vnto this kingdome It is true and wee magnifie the goodnesse of God for it and congratulate his Highnes in the prosperous possession of it from the ground of our heartes But that God hath appointed him to this kingdome for such a purpose as they conceite what spirit of divination is in them that they should forespeake it Nay rather seeing almighty God hath ordained him as the great Physition next and immediatelie vnder himselfe to take care of the body politique both of this Church and Common-wealth he will surely cure such diseases as these men are sicke of For turbulent and discontented humors whether in Papist or in Puritane are like to breede very daungerous diseases in a civill State And not bee perswaded as they fondly imagine by such suggestions as these to alter that state of the Church which is acceptable to God honourable to his Highnes comfortable to many thousand Ministers the Nurse of good learning admirable to strangers approved by our * The letters that Mr Beza hath written to the ArchB of C that nowe is Opposites envied of our enemies distastfull vnto none but such as know neither how to rule nor how to obey The very names of Punishmentes are vnpleasant indeede but the thinges themselues are necessary sometimes and their effects good and profitable for preservation of the whole howsoever the induring of thē may be grievous in the particular And he that will indifferentlie cōsider the true causes of the correctiōs here mētioned shall haue iust cause to approue the Iustice * Conspiracy for pretended Reformation commēd the mildnes that hath bin vsed towards this sort of men As for that clause of Mens traditions it is too too odious would imply superstition or popery to be in some of them But how vainely and how iniuriousty hath in some sort bin heretofore declared That other of beeing preiudiciall to note but those that seeke their owne c. is as iniurious to all the rest of the Ministers of this land Be we the men that are so addicted to our owne Quiet Credite and Commoditie in the world Where then be the fruits of our covetousnes the effects of our ambition the markes of our idlenes VVe be the men that in the testimony of a good Conscience for the repelling of such a malicious contumely slaunderous reproach may truly say We put not out our mony to Vsury we detest al filthy lucre we cōtaine our selues within our Vocations we forsake not our holy callings we omit not to labour in our severall chardges we sustaine the places of great labour travaile and expense wee neglect not in publike in private in word in writing at home abroad to put to silence and stop the mouth of the common Adversary which these men haue enlarged against vs and our most holy faith To conclude the thinge they seeke is so preiudiciall both to the Civil state in general and in particular to so many of the very best of the Ministery that if it shoulde take effect but God of his mercy the Kings most excellent Maiesty in his Christian wisedome will not suffer it it would breede a strange alteration in the One and in the Other it would for the present not only impoverish vs and our Vniversities but make both them and vs and the whole Cleargie very base and contemtible in the eies of our own people as also a By-word a skorne to our neighbour Nations And for succeeding ages it would cut off all hope of a learned Ministery and of that grounded learning which as yet is and heretofore hath beene the glorie and honour of this kingdome For manifestation of this point looke vpon the face of all the reformed Churches in the world and wheresoever the desire of these Petitioners doth take place be it duly cōsidered First how wel their proceedings do suite with the state of a Monarchy And then how poverty on the one side lacke of learning on the other doth creep vpon the whole Clergy in those Dominions As to the first woulde it not beseeme the supereminent auctority and Regal person of a King to be himselfe confined within the limites of some particular parish then to subiect his soveraigne power to the pure Apostolical simplicity of an over-swaying al-commaunding Presbitery Would it not doe him much good in a time of neede that his people should be rooted and grounded in this truth viz. That his meeke and humble Clergie have power to bind their King in chaines their Prince in lincks of
irō That is in their learning to censure him to enioine him penance to excommunicate him yea in case they see cause to proceede against him as a Tyrant We speake not heere of other points as namely that all appeales in causes Ecclesiasticall and what doe they not make Ecclesiasticall must finallie lye not vnto the Prince but vnto the Assembly Provinciall That they allow the supreme Magistrate not potestatem iuris but only facti while they make him the maintainer of their proceedings but no commander in them These and the like are but petty Abridgments of the Praerogatiue Royall while yet the King a T.C. l. 1. pag. 180. submits his scepter vnto the scepter of Christ and lickes the dust of the Churches feete Neither may it be truly said that these are onely Speculations There are some of High place yet alive and other some are dead that haue felte the smarte heereof in their owne experience and haue seene the worst of all this put in wofull execution As to the second Do we not see it at this day verified among them which hath beene so often truly saide as often vnadvisedly denied that Hones alit artes and contrariwise where due reward of learning and liberal maintenance of the Ministery is fraudulently impaired or iniuriously taken away b Ecclesias discipl pag. 114. there Religion and learning come to decay There Atheisme and Barbarisme Confusiō must needes ensue It is to apparent that as the revenewes of those Churches haue bin embeazeled by men of corrupt mindes which saide in their hearts as it is in the Psalme Psal 83.11 Let vs take to our selues the houses of God in possession so the remainder of that grounded learning which was bredde vp in former times is nowe through succession of time almost cleane morne out Nec bonatam sequitur quam bona prima fuit Insomuch that there is neither sufficient maintenāce in those parts for any store of excellēt learned men nor yet many men brought vp among thē in this last reforming age worthy of that wonted honorable maintenance God knowes we speake not this with a detracting spirit but with griefe of hart to see the ruines of the Ministery in particular generally of al profound learning in other reformed Churches As likewise to stirre vp this whole Nation to a thankefull acknowledgement of that singular blessing in this behalfe which God of his goodnesse hath longe and yet doth continue vnto vs of this Realme And with all to put to silence the malicious ingratitude of those evill men which looking vpon vs and this Church through the coloured glasse of their praeiudicate opiniōs can see nothing among vs but defects deformities and abuses and Enormities and the like And therefore in their high discretion would haue vs reduced made conformable to the calamities of other places Wheras in truth if we shal bring backe the eies of our minds frō forraine parts indifferently without either detractiō or flattery take notice of the presēt state of this Church Cōmō-wealth we shal easily discerne that it were an incomparable happines for them if all that professe the truth as it is in Christ Iesus were in our cōditiō We shal see how that our Church governmēt is duly subordinat vnto the supreme civil state withal doth mightily support the same That our Reverend Prelates mē of singular worth not to be matched in any one kīgdome though preferred vnto highes roomes do yet cōtaine thēselues within such boūds as preserue that estate from creeping to any Papal corruptions That our inferiour Clergy by their godly painful labours in their Vocation haue bin are the most effectuall meanes to settle the tranquillity of this land by inducing mens mindes vnto piety towards God Loyalty to their King Civill honesty amōg thēselues That our people generally excepting some few Malecōtents of al sorts whō wee leaue to the mercy of the Magistrate are invred vnto peace accustomed to subiectiō detest disloyalty with al alacritie yeeld their obedience vnto their Soveraigne That the Colledges the Cathedral Churches the Bishops other Ministers of this Land haue yet remaining vnto thē yet after the many great spoiles of this Church which notwithstanding Saravia de sacrilegijs ca 9. never prospered vvith thē that got thē but were as Rust to the rest of their silver their gold or as a Cāker that fretted out themselues their posterity or their possessiōs that yet there is remaining vnto thē more competent sufficient maintenāce more cōfortable honorable encouragemēts thē there are vnto all other the reformed churches in Christēdōe That answerable thervnto to stop that mouth of Iniquity which is wont to traduce vs for a dumb vnlearned Idoll Ministery there are at this day more learned men in this Land in this one Kingdome then are to be found among al the Ministers of the Religion in France Flaunders Germany Poleland Denmarke Geneva Scotland or to speake in a word in all Europe besides Which yet may not iustly be imputed vnto vs for vanity The Apostle that knew how to be abased 1. Cor. 9. 2 Cor. 12. to make himselfe of no reputation yet whē the impeaching of his personall giftes was abused to the disgrace of his calling did without either arrogācy or folly giue his Detractors plainly roundly to vnderstand that he was not inferior to the chiefe Apostles nay that he labored more thē they al so by his own iust defence cōmendation did free himselfe his worth his Vocation from their base and odious imputations In a like case we doubt not a truth may be averred of our selues even by our selues without any ostentation at all when it is so iniuriously impeached and troden vnder foote to the high dishonor of God the disgrace of his Gospel and to the slander of this most Christian Common-wealth Yea the rich mercies that God hath cōtinued vnto vs now these fiue forty years ought to replenish our harts with ioy so that our lippes should breake forth with thankfulnes and sing Psal 47.20 Non fecit taliter omni nationi neither haue the Regions round about vs beene made partakers of the like blessings Now the Father of Mercies and God of al Consolation enlarge the wise and vnderstanding hart of our thrice noble King noble in birth noble in wisedome noble in al manner of good learning assist him ever with his holy spirit the spirit of Counsaile of sanctificatiō of truth make him admirable in the swaying of this Scepter as was Salomon in al the world as long as hee walked in the first waies of his father David That so hee maye longe weare this mortal Crowne in al abundaunce of Piety Peace Prosperity hereafter obtaine that immortal Crowne that Christ hath purchased for them which by continuance in well doing seeke glory and honour and immortality FINIS