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A20965 A wittie encounter betweene Monsieur du Moulin, and Monsieur De Balzac Esteemed two the most elegant pens of their nation. Wherein they deliver things weighty, and important both in religion and state. Faithfully translated out of the french (sic) coppy by A.S. Gent. Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.; Stafford, Anthony.; Balzac, Jean-Louis Guez, seigneur de, 1597-1654. 1636 (1636) STC 7344; ESTC S118665 12,493 132

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not ignorant from what ground the Pope derives this Liberality which is that he treasures up the superabundancy of Fasts of Buildings of Pilgrimages of Saints of Munkes turnes them into satisfaction for the Sins of others When at Rome you cool'd your Chamber with an artificiall Gale able to give a Ship way ascended your Coach onely to crosse the streete you thought little of these Superstitions If you will be so curious as to peruse the Missall and read there the cautions Rubriques which provide for inconueniences in case the Wind should carry God away or the Rats eate Iesus Christ or the Preist disgorge him certainely you will then excuse us and say It is no wonder that these poore people can hardly disgest these things being noe way correspondent to the dignity of the sonne of God Upon two Points we cheifly insist the one is the succession of the Pope in the Apostolate Primacy of Saint Peter and the other is the office w ch the Preists assume to themselves of being Sacrificers of the Body of Christ yet could we never obtaine a proofe of the institution of these two tenents by the word of God But of these matters too much is already said from which superfluity I had abstain'd had not you provoked me to it To the remainder of your Letter I subscribe Obedience to our Soveraignes is a thing just and necessary To find out occasion of Rebellion either in a mans owne Religion or in that of his King is to make insurrections to defend Religion by courses condemned by the same Religion Such as these being perplexed in their owne particular affaires hope to find ease in troubled waters and to save themselves amidst a Confusion Never yet did the cause of God advance it selfe that way Moses had power to inflict greiuious punishments on Aegypt her King notwithstanding he would never deliver the children of Israell out of Aegypt without the permission of the King I am of opinion that in Civill affaires it is more expedient for the people to have a bad Master then none at all How much then are we bound having a good and mercifull Prince to tender him faith and obedience who in pardoning us hath not done like those whose Clemency is attended by disdaine esteeming their offendours not worthy their anger But hee hath in this followed his owne naturall inclination which leads him not onely to Pardon but to benefit so that to be Conquer'd by him is an advantage For the rest I never beleeved that there can be a worse State then an Anarchy where every one is a Slave because every one is a Master and where excesse of Liberty is cause of servitude For this Liberty brings with it Licentiousnesse and Licentiousnesse Confusion Confusion servitude As the hand were an improper member if all the Fingers were of a just length so a multitude of equall persons can not move without discommodity Your Maxime that the change even of the worst Lawes is dangerous holds good in all save in matters of Religion To subject our selves by docility to Lawes w ch leade directly to Hell were to breake the Lawes Divine neither can they who make such Lawes secure before GOD those that obey them But where onely the losse of Goods and Life is in question there it is better to put on an unjust Yoke then to be free'd by the disturbance of the Publique Peace rebellion against our Soveraigne for the force of humane Lawes doth not consist in this that they are just but in this that they are Lawes and ordain'd by him who hath authority And though some things in them are unjust yet it is just to obey them There are many States w ch have enjoyed a long time Peace and prosperity under unjust Lawes duely observed and other some there are who living under good Lawes ill observ'd have fallen into Ruine confusion This Peace and Prosperity is ever to be found more firme and durable in a Monarchy then in any other forme of State for this is the only civil government which imitates the universal government of the world where there is but one Master all other states when they are come to a full growth must of necessity be reduc'd to this And amongst the Monarchies which at this day have a subsistence that of France excells both for antiquity good lawes That this State is well compos'd the unstable humour of our Nation addicted to Innovation is an evident proofe w ch had not the frame beene firme and the edifice well cimented had ere this vtterly subverted the Kingdome Being borne under this Monarchy we desire the prosperity of it wish that the Crowne of our Kings may be like that of an Egge which alwayes as in Age so in growth increaseth Were our Religion generally received in France the royall Maiesty would be the more exalted his power more then by halfe augmented for then the Pope would pretend no longer to have power over the Life Crowne of our Kings nor would boast any more that their deposition depends on his Beck There would then be in France no other Iustice then the Kings Contentions arising on this side the Alpes would no more bee decided at Rome their Clergy should bee subiect to the Ciuill Lawes should be iusticeable before the Royall Iudges The Silver of the Kingdome shoulde no longer be exhausted and bee sent to Rome in Exchange for Annates Dispensations and Pardons Soe much Land of the Nobles possessed by the Clergy now lying dead should owe the same service and Tributes to the King as doe other Lands in the possession of the Nobility To be briefe I dare affirme that the principall cause why wee are hated is that we defend by the word of GOD the right of our Kings against the Usurpation of Popes who make them kisse their Pantaple and under colour of Pennance inflict on them Corporall punishments But this is our unhappines that as the Scripture is a booke hidden from our Kings so in that which concernes the liberty and independency of their Crownes they learn nothing but from those the Pope holds tied by the Belly But I have proceeded too farre The pleasure that I take in entertaining you makes me forge that I write an Epistle not a booke and hath carried me beyond my lymitts That clause of your Letter wherein you say I am able to give Sedition the face of a just Warre hath incited me to take a kind of Revenge in tormenting you w th the length of my Letters That shall not hinder me from admiring the Beauty and Vigour of yout Witt. I honour the gifts of GOD where ever I find them On the other side I hope the small tartnes and sharpnesse of my stile shall not deprive him of your good Graces who honours you and is Monsieur Your thrice Humble and thrice Obedient Servant Du Moulin FINIS Errata EPistle p. 2. line 12. for of the likabillity r. not of the like ability ibid. l. 16. A full point after Fe●ther Epist p. 7. l. 20. a full point after Inuectives p. 3. l. 4. for Bridle r. bridg● p. 10. l. 6. read Sweade p. 11. l. 3.4 r. 〈…〉 limming the picture of a King p 16 l. 11 a full point after not p 48. l. 2 fo●mies r. times p. 71. l. 9. for even in the Greeke Churches r. even the Greeke Churches p. 73. l. 11 for these have reade these who have p. 78. l 3. for dogge r. dogs p. 85. l. 11. r. Hypocondriacall p. 88. l. 7. reade hindred * Mōsieur de Balzac in writing the late troubles in France taxed the Protestant party with disloyalty