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A25501 The answer of a Protestant gentleman in Ireland to a late letter from N. N. upon a late discourse between them concerning the present posture of that countrey, and the part fit for those concerned there, to act in it. Protestant gentleman in Ireland. 1639 (1639) Wing A3284; ESTC R176289 10,587 20

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execute men in Effigie and if such men whom he hath raised from nothing and done such singular kindness to preferred their Religion and the Salvation of their Souls before the servile Compliance with an Idolatrous Worship and supporting the Tyranny of a Bigotted Zealot and Inflexible Votary to the Church of Rome in my Opinion they deserve to be placed in the first Rank of good Patriots and Champions for the Liberty and Prosperity of their Countrey And if the Government be so tender of the Honour of an Abdicated Prince as not to publish what they know concerning the suspected Birth of the Prince of Wales the Secret League with France c. let it not be imputed to sham or Defect of Evidence do not dare or defy them to do such a thing lest that may fall out which has often hapned to an insulting and unprovoked Challenger Your Similies about setting Fire to a Part of the House may pass for very Elegant but let me retort the Allegory and ask you what say you to him that sets Fire to the whole House and runs away by the Light of it For such Papers as are writ on this Subject I willingly remit you to hug your self in the Delight you take in them and intreat you at the next Edition to affix to them your Imprimatur And now let us joyn Issue let us to use your Metaphor open the Tables and try the several Games that are to be Play'd or to humour your Conceit let us take out the Dice and either play at In and In with one of the Kings or at Hazard if the contrary side should prevail Most Judicious Sir I do admire your Logical Head which way you could find out such extraordinary Remarks as have escaped the Curiosity of others You begin Hypothetically you conclude Dogmatically and you proceed all the way Fallaciously If the Protestants of Ireland side with King James and King William prevail how can you be certain that King William cannot make them suffer with any face of Law Equity Conscience or Policy To me it appears quite otherwise for tho you beg the question in your Parenthesis and positively pronounce that King James has not Abdicated the Government of Ireland all Men that know the Constitution of that Kingdom and its subordinate Dependance upon England will spit Contradictions in your face and inform the World that when the Parliament of England have declared the Throne vacant and placed the Regal Diadem on King William it will neither be against Law nor Equity to punish such persons as voluntarily and wittingly adhere to King James with loss of life and Confiscation of their Estates Neither is the case the same as was in England so long as King James was actually King no man was blamed for serving under his Command nor obnoxious to Punishment for being faithful to him but when he is actually deprived of his Regality and had abandon'd the Government when King William is in Possession of the Throne and publickly proclaimed both in England and Ireland according to your Position Law Equity and Conscience are of the side of the lawful King i. e. of him whom the Legislative Power of the Land has constituted King at least as long as he is possessed In the next Paragraph you have conjured up a Spirit which with all your skill you cannot exorcise you have started an Objection which with all your Sophistry you cannot answer The Right and Power of England in and over the Kingdom of Ireland is unquestionable no King of England since the Conquest of it ever went into Ireland to be Crowned but by the assumption of the Crown here he is ipso facto become King there Certainly if you were conversant in the History and Laws of Ireland you would never amuse the World with such frivolous questions You would know that the Parliament of England can oblige Ireland by an Act inclusive that by special words the Parliament of England may bind the Subjects of Ireland vid. Cook. 4. Institut 350. That Appeals are made from thence to the Parliament here that the Privy Council can summon Offenders before them that the Judges of the Kings Bench can remand the Hearing of Causes by Writs of Error Nay the Parliament of Ireland are so subjected to the Power of England by Poyning's Law made in the Tenth of Henry the Seventh that they have not the power of an ordinary Grand-Jury in making Presentments a Bill cannot be brought into the House before it is approved by the Council in England and Inrolled in the Chancery there so that if the Parliament in England cannot lay a Tax upon the Estates in Ireland which for the Honour of my Country I will neither determine nor dispute yet it is apparent by all Histories and Records they may do things of a higher nature and settle the Throne of Ireland by an Authority paramount to theirs tho it has been usual to make a Recognition of the Regal Title in that Kingdom in their proper Parliament in imitation and concurrence with what is done in this and the same indubitably will be practiced whensoever King William shall be established in the Possession of that forlorn Country You cavil and banter when you set the Convention against the Parliament and the Prince of Orange against King William The Lord Keeper has the same Authority as the Lord Chancellor tho not so great a Title the Convention and the Parliament are different terms one Latin the other French but their Power and Jurisdiction the same When we say the Three Estates convened in Parliament is not the Convention in the Parliament and the Parliament consisting of the Convention of the Three Estates There must be no long Vacancy in the Throne the King never dies but upon the Natural or Civil Death or departure of the Regnant Prince the Throne must be immediately fill'd and when the Prince of Orange is solemnly proclaimed and placed in the Throne and Crowned King he is a Rebel and a Traytor that questions his Right or opposeth his Government You reer the Fabrick of your Discourse upon a false foundation you gull the people by a subdolous Supposition That King James is lawfully possest of the Kingdom of Ireland You may as well be an Advocate for the French King and assert his Right to Alsatia Lorrain and many Towns in Flanders because he is possest of them by force you may as well plead for his Brother the Great Turk and justifie his Usurpation of all the Christian Territories About November last you might have said such things without controul He was then the Regnant King and tho by his Religion he was uncapable to hold the Reins of Government yet before Conviction and Sentence no man taxed his Disability tho by his Violation of Oaths Subversion of the Laws and Arbitrary Intrusion on the Subjects Properties be justly forfeited his right to rule yet no man resisted him But now when out of a secret Guilt he hath