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A56065 The propositions of the Roman Catholicks of Ireland as also the answer of the agents for the Protestants of Ireland made to the said propositions, and their petitions and propositions to His Majesty, and His Majesties answer to the propositions of the said Roman Catholicks, and the answer of James, Marquesse of Ormond, His Majesties Commissioner for the treatie and concluding of a peace in the kingdome of Ireland, to the said propositions. Confederate Catholics.; Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688. 1644 (1644) Wing P3800; ESTC R36692 41,588 78

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