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A87456	The justification of a safe and wel-grounded answer to the Scottish papers, printed under the name of Master Chaloner his speech: which, (whatsoever the animadvertor affirmes) doth maintaine the honour of the Parliament, and interest of the kingdome of England. Novemb. 23. 1646. Appointed to be printed, according to an order of the House of Commons.	England and Wales. Parliament. House of Commons.	1646 (1646)	Wing J1256; Thomason E363_11	6,958	16

and extra jurisdictionem Regni Scotiae the assertion is still made good and the state of Scotland nothing at all to doe with disposall of the Kings person And whereas the Animadvertor saith that the case is not alike King Iohn being King of one Kingdome and Subject of another and the person now in question being King of two Kingdomes under favour though hee have two Kingdomes yet hee is not here as King of Scotland but as King of England For if he were here in the Capacity of a King of Scotland he were a Subject and then you might know well enough what should become of the King of Scotland as you have formerly done of some of them who yet have plotted lesse then others have acted And whereas the Gentleman saith That these Kingdoms seeme to contend not so much who should have the Kings Person as who should not have it It must needs be a great griefe to both Kingdomes that the Kings heart is yet so farre from being reconciled to either people that they neither can have any joy or safety in his presence But whereas both Houses of Parliament have Voted the disposall of the Kings person to be onely belonging unto them they did wisly and uprightly in it for as they did therein uprightly because of right and Iustice it doth belong unto them for they did noe lesse wisly because they now see by deere experience that his being where hee is hath beene so litle for there Intrest as since his being there he hath made peace with the Irish Rebells sent his Sonne the prince into France maintained strong Intelligence with other Countries against them and is dayly flocked unto by Delinquents and Incendiaries insomuch as they receive litle iesse damage thereby then if he were at the head of an Army of Cavaliers In the last place this Animadvertor when he cannot answer the Gentleman then he will slander him and saith he doth this out of some Ancient discontent of his against the King certainly if he had not beene discontented with the Kings Actions long agoe hee could hardly have beene an honest man now for with out doubt all these warrs troubles and turmoyles which the Parliament and kingdome have felt these five yeares last past have beene occasioned from the many and Just discontents at the Kings evill Government And if this man be alone contented when all the kingdome hath such cause of discontent it is more then probable that he is and hath beene one of the procurers thereof It is a hard case that a Member of Parliament cannot vindicate the Intrest which the people of this kingdome have in the person of their King or desire that great Counsell to have a care of the safety of the Common wealth but it must bee attributed to former discontents and whereas he Recons up so many Oathes Protestations Declarations and Covenants made by the Parliament for the safety of the Kings person but never any mention at all of the safety of the Common-wealth it seems too much to savour of Malignity and of some late diipersed papers But as I could wish that this Animadvertor would remember how Kings are made by for the people but not the people either by or for the Kings so hee would consider that the end of Government is for the weale and safety of the people and not of the King further then his safety may be conducible to the other And if the Scots Commissioners did plainely affirme to the Committees of both Houses at the Conference that they could not admit of the Kings presence in Scotland because of the divisions and troubles of that Kingdome which hee might make such use of as to raise forces both against them and us what could this imply but that notwithstanding his person might be in safety in Scotland yet Scotland could not be in safety whilest his person was there And if they positively affirme it on their part may not we make a question of it on ours And now I have answered all that this Animadverter can say to the main of his Animadversions I will not give him over until I see an end of what he can say besides And first how the Scotts may like the Gent. Speach for the matter of it it being as he saith so malliable I wonder no better a Hammer was put to it And if the Intelligent reader as hee saith be of the opinion that this speech which was delivered but upon once hearing of the Scottish papers read doth notwithstanding very much fortifie the said papers how much more will the House of Commons fortifie them when they deliver in their Answer thereunto after due consideration had of every word and sillable And whereas he doubts whether it will have a favourable aspect from the Parliament either for the matter or expression For the matter since the Gent. doth but Assert their Votes they would be very forgetfull of their owne interest if they should be offended thereat For the Acrimonious expressions I know of none but could have wished that in divers late printed papers some expressions and prejudgements how that disposing may be deposing or worse might have beene altogether omitted since the constant indulgence of the English Nation to their Kings farre above some of their Neighbours never merited to be dishonoured by such an unworthy conceit and as the very stirring of this Question tends to debates and differences so will such provoking language but increase and foment it Now to take my leave of this Animadvertor if he be a Divine I shall desire him to follow his preaching and give over States matters ill becomming ●hat profession If he be a Paedagogue that hee will Lash his Boyes and not Parliaments If he be an Alien hee will go home to his Country since we have Incendiaries enough of our owne from whom and from all treacherous and underm ineing designers I will conclude with his owne Letany Good Lord deliver us FINIS

THE JUSTIFICATION OF A safe and wel-grounded ANSWER To the Scottish Papers Printed under the name of Master Chaloner HIS SPEECH WHICH VVhatsoever the Animadvertor affirmes doth maintaine the Honour of the PARLIAMENT and Interest of the Kingdome of ENGLAND Novemb. 23.1646 Appointed to be printed according to an Order of the House of Commons LONDON Printed by A. Griffin 1646. The Justification of a safe and wel-grounded Answer to the Scotch Papers Printed under the name of Mr. Chaloners Speech Which whatsoever the Animadvertor affirmes doth maintaine the Honour of the Parliament and Interest of the Kingdome of England I Need not aske much who this Animadvertor is for by his Text he seemes to be a malignant Divine by his scraps of Greeke and Latine some Pedagogue by his stile no Englishman and by the whole scope of his discourse an Incendiary His Text is Prov. 28.2 For the transgressions of a Land many are the Princes thereof By Princes it is commonly thought that he meanes the Members of Parliament but therein certainly he is much mistaken in the sence of the Text For if they be Princes it was never the transgression of the Land but the transgression of the Prince of the Land which made them Princes And if they be Princes they are very poore ones and by his ordering but of a very short continuance for he hath no sooner begun his Sermon but he forgets his Text and speakes of the Parliaments former low condition whereas never any made it solow as himselfe for if a Member of Parliament could not be answered within doores there was never any one so bold untill this present that durst answer him without and the Parliament is low indeed when a Member thereof cannot assert the Votes of both Houses but he must be called to an account by every unknowne person But let him consider if hereby hee have not opened a doore for every Pamphleter to come in at whereby some late printed Speeches will hardly goe Scotfree for if a Principall cannot escape what then will become of a Deputy For the Gentleman that made this Speech though he neither ownes the printing nor Title page yet the matter of it hee must justifie unlesse hee will deeline the interest of this Kingdome But he being of that great Councell the Parliament can spend his time better there both for his credit and service of his Countrey then by answering of every mans impertinencies And therefore give me leave as unknowne a person as this Animadvertor is yet a better English man to tell him how inconsiderately he contradicts himselfe in the very beginning of his discourse when he assures you he wil not presume to intermeddle with any thing spoken within the wals and yet he presently tels you of something spoken there as hee saith different from the Originall whereby at the first dash hee proves himselfe a notable Incendiary and would set jealousies and devisions betwixt the Members of the house of Commons as if there were Spies amongst them and such who to maintaine the Interest of another Kingdome were so vile and base as to be content to betray their owne But I hasten to his Animadversions where Goliah like he presents himselfe a Champion to confound if he could not the Army but the assertions of both houses of Parliament And first hee saith that the Argument which the Gentleman makes is mistaken because hee joyneth not the Covenant Treaty and the Law of Nations with the interest which the Kingdome of Scotland pretends unto the King whereas these particulars are severally handled in the Scottish Papers and therefore must be answered severally and the Gentleman hath so sufficienly by many Arguments cleared in the first place that by the Law of Nations the Kingdome of Scotland hath nothing at all to doe to dispose of the Person of the King he being now in England as I am confident he will never be able to disprove any part thereof whilst he lives The next exception which this Animadvertor takes is against the distinction of a King in abstracto and concreto and that Persona is not Concretum Hereby you may see how he is contented to passe over such things of most substance which he cannot answer and to set up men of straw to use his owne words for himselfe to buffet This distinction of Abstractum Concretum is as ancient as Logicke it selfe but if hee will believe no Logicke but his owne let him looke upon an elaborate Booke written by one very neere and deere to some of the Scottish Commissioners called Lex Rex in the 29 question page 265. and there he shall finde these very words This is an evident and sencible distinction the King in Concreto the man who is King and the King in abstracto the Royall office of the King And whereas it is affirmed that the honourable Houses doe state the question not upon the Authority of the King but upon his Person so doth the Gentleman likewise and he concludes against any thing which hath been yet said to the contrary that neither by Law nor Covenant the Scots have any Interest to dispose of the Kings Person he being now in England Thirdly he objects that if the Kings Person be to be disposed of by the power of that Countrey where hee happens to abide then if hee were in Scotland hee must be disposed of by the power of that Countrey This is confessed to be true And if hee were now in Scotland as hee is an England they had then the sole power of disposing him And I doubt not but they would dispose of him for the equall good of both Kingdoms wherein I should be so farre from envying of their felicity as I should wish much good might he doe them But notwithstanding all this the assertion stands good that they have no authority to dispose of him as they now doe in England In the fourth Animadvertion hee makes the Gentleman speake what he doth not for the Gentleman doth say that England is as distinct a Kingdome from Scotland as Spaine but he saith not it is as distinct in Interest as the Animadvertor affirmes Yet by his favour the Interests are so distinct that neither the unity of one Religion one Covenant one King one Cause or one Warre can confound them It is no longer then Philip and Maries daies that England and Spaine had all the said Interests the Covenant excepted but yet no English man upon paine of death for all that could saile into the Indies neither enjoy other priviledges of Spaine no more then a Spaniard could doe in England And for Scotlands entring into confederacy with Forraigne Nations without the approbation of England the Treaty betwixt the Kingdomes must judge of that but neither any Treaty or Covenant yet made doth give them interest either in governing of our Militia making of our Lawes or setling of our Church-government as it was once aymed at In all which they have liberty to advise as