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A34432 Carnal prudence display'd, or, The crafty contrivances of the Jesuits relating to the popish plot discovered by way of letter from Gaunt to Mr. Willmore in England. Ignatius Franciscus, Philo-presbyter. 1682 (1682) Wing C604; ESTC R22951 6,986 8

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majorem Dei Gloriam is ours The Good old Cause is yours Pray what can be meant by Good old Cause but God's good Cause and what difference is there betwixt God's Good Cause and the Glory of God since to advance God's Cause is to advance his Glory so now you see that there is no substantial difference betwixt us Another Objection of yours was That though we were Presbyterians yet we were Papist-Presbyterians and consequently as such there would necessarily be some Je ne scay quoy of that thing call'd Loyalty inherent to the Presbyterian which instead of bearing up the Cause it would sling it down and such a one you call Presbyterian in Masquerade we must confess this is notably and prudently argued you are satisfy'd then that we are Presbyterians but you are afraid that a Pope should lurk in the Belly of such Presbyters To let you see that you ought not hereafter to entertain such Fears and Jealousies of your Brethren would-be We adhere to the Pope sometimes for interest other times we oppose the Pope for interest as is clearly demonstrated in the precedent discourse so that in reality we are neither for Pope nor King Do not you do the like when you cry God bless the King and Preserve him from his Enemies when you desire that the Militia should be put into your hands to defend the sacred Person of His Majesty and the Protestant Religion as Establisht by Law I say in reality at the same time do you not use our excellent mental Reservations Restrictions and Equivocations when you intend to secure all for your selves which once compass'd the Monarchy and the establisht Religion must be destroyed as incompatible with your Principles which are for holy Common-weals So you see though you court the King and magnifie the Religion establisht you are in effect for neither Now I think I have fully answered you with an Argument ad hominem But to show the Parallel further you brand Church of England-Men with Popery and in the Fools coat of Papists in Masquerade expose them to the scorn and aversion of the Rabble We do the like calling all Anti-Jesuits who are indeed of the establisht Catholick Church Jansenists and Blackloists names as odious and suspect to our Party which we call the true Children of the Church as Heathen and Publican Do we not deterr all from taking the Oath of Allegiance without giving any one a reason for it But inter nos we hold that in some Cases a King may forfeit his Crown sometimes to the Pope when he gives us good Pensions for teaching that Doctrine Some of the Tory Papists have discovered these reasons but we deny them stoutly for all that we have more reasons yet besides these which we never yet discovered to any but to those who believed strongly and with an implicit faith that our Presbyterian Society is infallible in its Christian Principles Therefore it is for your entire satisfaction that we keep nothing hid from you We do verily and indeed also believe as a consequence from our infallible Principles That a wicked King breaking God's Holy Covenant may by holy Commonweal-men be depos'd for that the Spirit of the Lord is departed from him and that he is no more Anointed and by consequence no King Our Mariana and others have taught this Doctrine with this difference only that the Power of deposing was in the Pope and not in holy Commonweal-men but the reason was that he and the rest were great Pope-Pensioners Had they lived in our circumstances they would have asserted the same circumstantial Doctrine with us especially having laid the foundation of it in their infallible Principles We cannot now imagine what further objection you can make if so I know no reason why we should not clubb together for undoubtedly if we do we shall go a great way in a little time It may be for all that you make another Objection viz. We being such unheard-of sticklers in carrying on our own Contrivances that there may be fallings out about the chief Places in the Common-weal To rid you of that scruple how comes it to pass that you are united amongst your selves I answer because your Principles are alike for the same reason as I have already made out we must necessarily agree with you O but you may argue again That you are old standers in the Cause and have already taken great pains in laying Platforms of Government against the first day of the Golden Age and with great labours and indefatigable industry have brought things to this height as that you dare in the face of the Sun contrary to the known practices of the Land in all times bring in a Bill Ignoramus in spight of King Council and Judges nay and Lord Maior himself whatsoever and how many soever the Witnesses are and I think this no small Point to carry on the Good old Cause Verily 't is true what you say and is but what we have already prais'd you for and will for ever admire and honour you as in this being the true lights to all solid Reformation But lest you should still apprehend our Presbyterian Society by reason only of its coming in late we unanimously declare unto you That we will have no share in the Temporals of the Government but only Spirituals for you know no Government can stand where there is not establisht Religion by Law If you consent to this and admit the coupling our Presbyterian Societies I know not what Power on the Earth can resist such Principled men as we all are Pray Sir remember our hearty Services to the Ignoramus Jurors We expect your Answer to this unanimous Declaration of our Minds as soon as possible whereby we may know what to trust to We do not at all doubt but we shall have free admittance into your Clubb whereby to become one Heart one Mouth one Man to carry on The Good old Cause of God once again for his greater Honour and Glory From our Assembly at Gaunt March 1st 1682. Worthy Sir Your most hearty and truly devoted humble Servant Ignatius Franciscus Philo-Presbyter FINIS