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B01492 Abbreviat of the depositions of the witnesses, adduced by the Earl of Lauderdale against the Earl of Aberdene. Scotland. Convention of Estates. 1684 (1684) Wing A70BA; ESTC R173257 18,118 20

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the Advocats that were imployed against Lauderdale to speak to certain Points that himself proposed but remembers not whether they were formerly mentioned by the Advocats on either side Sir Alexander Gibson in Answer to the first Interrogator Depones That the Earl of Aberdene then Chancellor did behave himself with concern and forwardness in the Process of the Mint more than he observed him to do in other Processes and at the time of the Debate he did several times suggest or propose to the Lord Advocat Grounds and Reasons to be urged against the Earl of Lauderdale and Officers of the Mint 3. The Lords having after the Debate given their Interlocutor anent the Copper-Coyn and of which Interlocutor the Earl of Lauderdale had gotten a Copy from the Clerk The Earl of Aberdene caused some days thereafter alter the Interlocutor and was angry with the Clerk for giving a Copy thereof Sir Alexander Gibson in Answer to the 3d. Interrogator Depones That the first Article of the Libel anent the Copper-Coyn having been Debate the Lords gave their Interlocutor whereby they Repelled the Defences founded upon the King's exoneration and Act of Indemnity and found that the same could not secure the Defenders from being lyable in restitution in quantum sunt locupletiores facti by the profits of the Copper-Coyns more than was contained in the Warrands and the Deponent having written the Interlocutor in these Terms a Copy whereof he now produces written by Sir Patrick Hume's Mans hand as the Deponent conceives the Deponent did immediatly after writing thereof shew the same to the Lord Advocat who was satisfied therewith and then the Deponent gave a Copy of it to the Earl of Lauderdale who had called for it But Sir Patrick Hume who was imployed in that Process for the King's interest having seen the Interlocutor he about two days thereafter told the Deponent that it behoved to be Rectified and these words in quantum sunt locupletiores facti left out And in the Outter-House he gave the Deponent a Note or Memorandum for altering the Interlocutor to be offered to the Earl of Aberdene which Note the Deponent then gave to the said Earl then sitting upon the Bench who having immediatly moved the matter to the Lords the Interlocutor was altered and made in the Terms as it now stands in the Decreet and immediatly thereafter the Process being called and the Earl of Lauderdale's Advocats having Debated something further anent the Point of the Copper-Coyn they founded upon the Interlocutor as it was first written by the Deponent and whereof they had gotten a Copy which Copy they offered to produce whereupon the then Lord Chancellor did sharply rebuke the Deponent for giving the Earl of Lauderdale a Copy of the said Interlocutor but does not remember that he discharged the Deponent to give any more Copies of Interlocutors to the said Earl but the Deponent having received the foresaid Check and the cause being of importance and carried on for the King's interest as the Deponent conceived he resolved to give no more Copies of Interlocutors in that Process until Sir Patrick Hume should first see them The Lord Pitmedden to the 4th Interrogator Depones That he did see the Earl of Aberdene cause alter an Interlocutor Judicially and reproved the Clerk for having given out a Copy of the Interlocutor 4. That the Earl of Aberdene caused Vote John Falconer the Warden's single Deposition to be a sufficient probation against the Earl of Lauderdale albeit it was formerly voted not to be sufficient The Lord Pi●medden in Answer to the 5th Interrogator Depones That when the Probation came to be Advised the Question was moved whether the Testimony of John Falconer Warden being but a single Witness could be a Probation The Deponent being then to Vote in the Cause desired of the Earl of Aberdene then Chancellor to call the Advocats to Debate that Point how far a single Witness in any case could prove in regard the Deponent was unwilling to give a Vote against the King so long as he had hopes to be cleared and this desire being refused and the Question being put to the Vote the Deponent Voted that a single Testimony did not prove and it was so carried by plurality of Votes After which the Earl of Aberdene did say in these or the like words Is this the way my Lords you guide the King's Affairs this must be represented and the Deponent Answered God bless the King it were happy for the Lords that his Majesty were often among them to behold their Actions And the Earl of Aberdene Answered the Deponent in these or the like words how come you to answer more than the rest And thereafter the Earl of Aberdene did represent to the Lords that this Vote seemed to be contrair to a former Vote whereby the Lords had found my Lord Lauderdale lyable for the faults of the Servants By which the Deponent supposing that the Earl meaned that Interlocutor which was pronounced when the Deponent was Ordinar in the Outer-House He Answered to the Earl that he did not know of that Interlocutor and therefore could say nothing of it And the Lord Hercarss desired the Earl to make his best use of it And the Deponent doth not remember distinctly what followed whether there was a second Interlocutor or Vote or how the Interlocutor was Dictated for the Deponent was a little discomposed with what had past betwixt the Earl of Aberdene and him in the Premisses and so took not notice My Lord Chancellor Perth's Deposition to the 4. Interrogator which is inserted in the Probation of the 3. Article is repeated likewise in this place The Lord Reidfoord in Answer to the 3. Interrogator Depones that he remembers John Falconer the Warden his Oath was Voted not to be a sufficient Probation and that the Earl of Aberdene seemed to be discontent at the Vote and said it was the King's Interest and if the Lords pleased they might Assoilȝie my Lord Lauderdale or the Officers of the Mint but remembers not whether he exprest one or both of them And that thereupon there was an Overture made that it was sufficient against John Falconer himself And the whole Officers being found lyable in solidum it might be looked upon as a sufficient Probation upon that Head and the Deponent thinks it was so carried by plurality of Votes in a second Vote Sir Alexander Gibson to the 4. Interrogator Depones that at the Advising of the Probation some of the Lords having demurred as to that Point if the single Deposition of John Falconer Warden of the Mint was sufficient to prove the quantity of Copper Coyned in the first Journey The Earl of Aberdene did appear displeased and in passion used these expressions to the Lords that this was not his Interest but the King's Cause and if the Lords pleased they might Assoilȝie the Earl of Lauderdale or used words to that purpose And thereafter it being put to the Vote The Lords found the said Deposition
was Probative upon that ground that he being an Officer of the Mint and Deponing upon a matter incumbent to his Office and Charge his Deposition did sufficiently prove against himself and consequently against the Earl of Lauderdale as being lyable for him and the rest insolid●m in the terms of a formal Interlocutor and doth not remember that that Point was tune Voted or not nor yet how the Votes ran but that it was carried by plurality of Votes And Depones that upon the Lord Aberdene's uttering the foresaids expressions my Lord Pitmedden said that he wished the King were sometimes present to hear them Adam Chrystie Depones that at the Advising of the Probation some of the Lords said that John Falconer Warden seemed to be Examined before the Commission as a Witness as appeared by the style of his Deposition bearing John Falconer of such an Age Depones And next albeit he were Examined as a Party some of the Lords said it was debateable how far it should operate against another albeit it were Probation against himself And after some Debate amongst the Lords the Earl of Aberdene seemed to be angry and displeased saying My Lords This is not my private concern but the King's Cause If you will for my part you may Assoilȝie the Earl of Lauderdale And afterward it was carried affirmative 5. Albeit by the Interlocutor the Lords found the Earl of Lauderdale only lyable for the rest of the Officers of the Mint in solidum quoad the Bulȝeon yet after the Interlocutors were drawn upon the Advising of the Probation the Earl of Aberdene caused apply the Interlocutors as to the Bulȝeon to the whole other Articles of the Libel found the Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland lyable in solidum for the whole malversations of the rest of the Officers of the Mint The Duke of Queensberry in Answer to the 2d Interrogator Depones as to the Earl of Aberdene's urging that the Earl of Lauderdale and his Son might be found lyable for the rest of the Officers of the Mint The Deponent doth not remember the Argument he made use of to that purpose The Lord Reidfoord in Answer to the 2d Interrogator Depones that he thought my Lord Aberdene earnest to have every one of the Officers of the Mint found lyable in solidum Sir Alexander Gibson in Answer to the first Interrogator Depones That the time of the Advising the Earl of Aberdene was of the opinion and did urge that the Earl of Lauderdale should be found lyable in solidum for the other Officers of the Mint To the 4 5 6 and 7. special Interrogators Depones that after the Deponent had drawn the Interlocutor given upon Advising the Probation Sir Patrick Hume did draw another Draught of the Interlocutor in more ample terms and in special as to the several Officers of the Mint their respective malversations and therein the Interlocutor which was given upon debate as to the second Article anent the Bulȝeon finding the general Libel in solidum for the rest of the Officers of the Mint is applyed and repeated as to all the Articles of the Libel relating to the Mint Which Interlocutor Sir Patrick did shew to the Earl of Aberdene the Deponent being present And after the same was read the Deponent told he was not clear to Extract the Decreet in the terms of the Interlocutor unless the same were brought to the Lords and considered Whereupon the Earl of Aberdene ordained the Deponent to Transcribe that Interlocutor and to bring it in to be read before the Lords the next day which the Deponent did accordingly And the Interlocutor being read the Lords did acquiesce thereto and the Decreet was Extracted conform to the samen The King declared he would not have the Lord Maitland insisted against whereupon my Lord Maitland Compeared at the Bar and declared he could not Defend and discharged his Advocats to Defend and gave in a written Declaration and Submission to that purpose Yet notwithstanding he is made Compearing and no notice is taken of his Declaration and refusal to Defend but is Decerned in solidum My Lord Chancellor Perth in his Answer to the 6. Interrogator Depones That in the Council held at Windsor where were present beside the Counsellors of the Scots Nation Prince Rupert the Marquess of Hallifax the Duke of Ormond the Earl of Sunderland the now Lord Thesaurer of England c. The late King of ever blessed memory did declare that what-ever faults might be in the Family of Lauderdale or amongst the Officers of the Mint he thought my Lord Maitland was not chargeable with any of them The Earl of Belcarras in his Answer to the first Interrogator Depones That he was in a Scots Council at Windsor where the late King's Majesty after hearing the report of the Commission anent the Mint said That my Lord Maitland to whom his Majesty had spoken was but a young Man and had been much out of the Countrey and therefore thought he had little meddling in that Affair and his Majesty said he thought he should not be meddled with and that after some debate in the Council about that matter the Deponent thought it was his Majesties resolution that my Lord Maitland should not be meddled with in that Affair The Bishop of Edinburgh in Answer to the first Interrogator Depones that the late King's Majesty in a Scots Council held at Windsor Castle the 24. of August 1682. After hearing the report of the Commissioo anent the Mint read and considered and that some in that Council had moved that the Lord Maitland might be turned out of his Office of being General of the Mint al 's well as the other Officers His Majesty did say that my Lord Maitland could not be guilty of any malversations in his trust of the Mint since his Majesty knew that for the most part he was out of the Kingdom by his Majesties own allowance and that he was very young So if when at home any errors were committed by him they were to be imputed to his Father under whose conduct he was and therefore his Majesty declared he would not suffer my Lord Maitland to be meddled with or touched in that Process All which his Majesty spoke with a great deal of zeal and concern for the Lord Maitland's interest The Viscount of Tarbat in Answer to the 7. Interrogator Depones that in the Council at Windsor the Deponent heard the late King say he would not have the Lord Maitland pursued for the Mint or some words to that purpose But what the Deponent heard his Majesty say in private the Deponent conceives he is not bound to declare it The Lord Forret in Answer to the 6. Interrogator Depones that the Lord Maitland did appear before the Lords and declared in their presence that he would not Defend in the Mint-Process and discharged his Advocats to compear therein for him and gave
their Trust have been so great that they ought not for the terror of others to pass without severe punishment Yet out of Our Royal Goodness and Clemency being unwilling to ruine them and their Families and calling to mind the forwardness of the said Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland in Our Service in several other stations and the many good Services done to Us and Our Royal Ancestors by their Predecessors We have now thought fit to let you know that seing the said Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland did fully submit to Our Determination and have since humbly begged and Petitioned Our Favour It is therefore Our Will and Pleasure That the said Charles Earl of Lauderdale and Richard Lord Maitland Dispone to Our Right Trusty and right well beloved Cousin and Counsellor George Earl of Aber dene Our Chancellor in the most ample Form and manner that he can in Law require all and whole the Lands of Dudhope Benvie and Balrudrie and all others whatsomever lying within ten miles of Dundee which formerly did belong to the deceast Earl of Dundee and have been since possessed by the said Earl of Lauderdale or the Lord Maitland and also that they Dispone to the said Earl of Aberdene all Houses Tenements and Gardens lying within the Town of Dundee or Bonnot-Hill belonging to them with all the Right they have to the Passage on the Water of Tay any manner of way with the whole Profits and Emoluments thereof as also the Right of Patronage of the Parsonage of Dundee and all Superiorities and Feu-duties or other Duties whatsomever lying without the said Town within the bounds aforesaid which formerly did belong to the said deceast Earl of Dundee and were since possest by the said Earl of Lauderdale or Lord Maitland Make full Right of and Dispone to Our right Trusty and well beloved Collonel John Grahame of Claver-house The House of Dudhope with the Garden Orchard Park and Planting adjacent thereunto as also the Office of Constabulary of Dundee and all other Jurisdictions Priviledges and Superiorities and particularly the Rights Priviledges and Emoluments of the first Fair within the said Town Together with all other Rights Profits and Emoluments therein possest by the said Earl of Lauderdale or Lord Maitland which formerly did belong to the said Earl of Dundee that are not there above particularly ordered to be Disponed to the said Chancellor Providing always that the said Collonel John Grahame pay to Our said Chancellor twenty years Purchase for one years Liferent that can arise unto him by this Disposition which at any time hath been accompted for in the Rental books as a part of these Lands Disponed to Our said Chancellor And it is Our further Will and Pleasure That the Rights of the saids Lands Houses Jurisdictions and Superiorities and others generally and particularly above-mentioned as well in favours of Our said Chancellor as of the said Collonel Grahame be free of all Burdens and Incumberances whatsoever especially the Warrandice of the Lands and Estate of Craig the Lady Maitland her Joynture and the depending Process at the instace of the late Earl of Dundee's Creditors Or otherways That the said Earl of Lauderdale or Lord Maitland Give such Warrandice as shall be satisfactory to Our said Chancellor and the said Collonel Grahame for their respective Securities in the Premisses upon the performance of all which above-mentioned We do hereby Declare That We will give a full and general Indemnity Remission and Discharge to the said Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland in as ample Form and Manner as in Law they can require for any cause or offence Civil or Criminal in any publick station preceeding the date hereof Declaring likeways hereby Our express Will and Pleasure that seing We have now shown so much Favour and Clemency to the said Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland they be first obliged to Discharge and Renunce all such Claim and Relief that they as Generals of Our Mint have or could pretend against Sir John Falconer late Master Mr. James Falconer Son and Heir to the said deceast John Falconer late Warden and the rest of the late Officers thereof And for further Security We do hereby Assign and Dispone to Our said Chancellor and the said Collonel John Grahame all Our Right Title and Interest in and to the said Decreet against the late Generals of the Mint with full Power to Pursue for and recover the Sums contained therein until Our said Chancellor and the said Collonel Grahame shall be fully sarisfied and payed of the sum of 20000 lib. sterling in manner after specified viz. First 5000 lib. to Our said Chancellor and 2000 lib. to the said Collonel Grahame and thereafter 11000 lib. to Our said Chancellor and 2000 lib. to the said Collonel Grahame Declaring nevertheless That upon the Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland their granting of the above-mentioned Dispositions this right to the above mentioned Decreet granted by Us to Our said Chancellor and the said Collonel Grahame shall be void and null So We bid you heartily Farewell Given at Our Court at Windsor-Castle 1. May 1683. and of Our Reign the 35th year By His Majesties Command Sic subscribitur Middleton Copy of the KING's Letter To Our right Trusty and well beloved Cousin and Counsellor George Earl of Aberdene Lord High Chancellor of Our Antient Kingdom of Scotland Sic suprascribitur CHARLES R. RIght Trusty and right well beloved Coufin and Counsellor We greet you well Whereas We are certainly informed that the Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland have fully Settled and Agreed with you to your satisfaction of the Donations granted by Us unto you in Our Letter bearing date at Windsor Castle the first day of May last directed to Our Thesaurer-Principal and Thesaurer-depute and that in order to their fully satisfying Our right Trusty and well beloved Counsellor John Grahame of Claverhouse there was lately a Dispofition of the House Garden and Park of Dudhope and of the Office of Constabulary of Dundee signed by the said Earl and Lady Maitland at Edinburgh and by the Lord Maitland at Westminster in favours of the said Collonel Grahame conform to the Tenor of Our said Letter And whereas We have ordered Our Secretaries to enquire whether all Our Commands in Our said Letter are obeyed We find by them that the said Earl of Lauderdale and Lord Maitland have not as yet Discharged and Renunced all Sute Claim and Relief that they as Generals of Our Mint have or could pretend against Sir John Falconer late Master Mr. James Falconer Son and Heir to the deceast John Falconer late Warden and the rest of the late Officers thereof And seing We have been graciously Pleased to show so much of Favour and Clemency to the laid Earl and Lord it would be most unreasonable al 's well as unjust that they should have recourse to any Relief from the said late Officers of the Mint whom We have already so considerably Fined For