extraordinary alterations it is not only requisite to abolish all bad opinions out of the mindes of those that know not the drift of the enterprisers but it is also necessary that the defence of such alterations be made forcible against the opposition of all gainesayers we will descend to the particulars and joyne issue with the Admonitor And upon all allegations exceptions witnesses and records to bee made sworne examined and produced out of the holy Scriptures and Lawes of the Land already setled on the behalfe of our cause before our Soveraigne Lord the King his Nobles and Commons in Parliament we shall submit our selves and our cause to the Kings Royall and most Christian judgement In the meane time we averre that not only the former clause of this admonitory bill but that all other clauses following in the same bill for the invaliditie insufficiency indignitie and nullitie of them are to bee throwne out and dismissed from the Kings Court especially for that the particulars opened by the Admonitor can not serve for any reasonable warning to induce the common people to rely themselves upon his I am of opinion to the which we plead at barre as followeth ADMONITION First saith he the whole State of the Lawes of the Realme will be Page 77 altered For the Canon Law must bâ— utterly taken away with all Offices to the same belonging which to supply with other Lawes and functions without many inconveniences would bee very hard the use and studie of the civill Law will bee utterly overthrowne ASSERTION When by a common acceptance and use of speech these words whole State of the Lawes of the Realme are understood of the Common and statute lawes of the Realme that is to say of the Kings temporall Canon and civill Lawes no part of the Laws of the Realme but only by sufferance lawes and not of Canon or Civill lawes it cannot follow that the whole state of the Lawes of the Realme should be altered though the Canon and Civill Lawes with all offices to the same belonging should be utterly taken away and be wholly overthrown For no more could the Admonitor prove the Canon or Civill Law at any time heretofore to have beene any part of the Lawes of this Realme otherwise than only by ` a 25. H. 8. C. 21. in the preamble sufferance of our Kings acceptance long use and custome of our people than can any man prove a parsley-bed a rosemary-twigge or an ivie-branch to be any part of the scite of the Castle of Farnham And therefore he might aswell have concluded thus the whole scite of the Castle of Farnham will be transposed for the Boxetrees the Heythorne Arbours and the Quick-set hedges planted within the Castle-garden must bee removed and cast away which were but a proofe provelesse and a reason reasonlesse If then by the abrogation of the Canon or Civill Law scarce any one part of the lawes of this Realme should be changed what reason have we to thinke that the whole state of the lawes of the Realme must be altered Besides to conclude the whole by an argument drawne ab enumeratione partium and yet not to number the tenth part of such parts as were to bee numbred is I am sure neither good logick nor good law Moreover if all the Canon-law I mean all the Papall and forraigne Canon Law devised and ordeined at Rome or elsewhere without the Realm and consequently all the Offices and functions to the same belonging bee already utterly taken away what hope of reward can Civilians expect from the use of such things as are within the compasse of that law or of what efficacy is this argument to prove an alteration of any part of the lawes of this Realme or that the studie of the Civill Law should be utterly overthrowne For the whole state of the Lawes properly called the Lawes of the Realme hath stood and continued many years since the same Papall and Canon Law was abolished An imbasement for civilians to have preferment by offices of the Canon law The Canon law be abolished out of the realme and ought not to be used And as touching the Civilians for them to seeke after preferments by Offices and functions of the Canon Law is an embasement of their honourable profession especially since farre greater rewards might very easily bee provided for them if once they would put to their helping hands for the only establishment and practice of the Civill Law in the principall causes now handled by them in the Courts called Ecclesiasticall But how may it be proved that the Papall and forraign Canon law is already taken away and ought not to bee used in England For my part I heartily wish that some learned men in the Common Law would vouchsafe to shew unto the King and Parliament their cleare knowledge in this point In the meane season I shall not be negligent to gather and set downe what in mine understanding the Statute-Law hath determined thereof By the statute of submission 25. Hen. 8. revived 1 Eliz. as the very words and letter of the petition and submission of the Clergy of the body of the law and of the provisoes doe import the very true meaning and intent of the King and Parliament is evident and apparent to be thus as followeth and none other viz. That such Canons Constitutions and Ordinances Synodall or Provinciall which before that time were devised and ordained or which from thence orth should bee devised or ordained by the Clergie of the Realme being not contrariant or repugnant c. should only and alonely be authorised and to be put in ure and execution And consequently that all Canons Constitutions and Ordinances Papall and made by forraigne power without the Realm should wholly and utterly be abrogated adnulled abolished and made of no value The words touching the petition and submission mentioned in that Statute in substance are these Where the Kings humble and obedient subjects the Clergie c. have submitted themselves and promised in verbo Sacerdotii that they will never from henceforth presume No Canons provinciall or other to bee put in ure therefore no papall canons in force to attempt alledge claime or put in ure any Canons Constitutions Ordinances provinciall or other or enact promulge or execute any new Canons c. And where also divers Constitutions Ordinances and Canons Provinciall or Synodall which heretofore have beene enacted and be thought not only to bee much prejudiciall to the Kings prerogative Royall c. the Clergie hath most humbly besought Canons provinciall heretofore enacted being prejudiciall are to be abrogated the Kings Highnesse that the said Constitutions and Canons may be committed to the examination and judgement of his Highnesse and of two and thirty persons of his subjects c. and that such of the said Canons and Constitutions as shall bee thought and determined by the said 32. persons or the more part of them worthy to be abrogated
immediately from your highnesse by and under your Highnesse letters patents And whereas also by a statute made in the first yeare of King Edward the sixth entituled an Act what seales and stile Bishops or other spirituall persons shall use it was ordained that all and singular Archbishops and Bishops and others exercising Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction should in their processe use the Kings name and stile and not their owne and also that their Seales should be graved with the Kings arms And forasmuch also as it must be highly derogatorie to the imperiall Crowne of this your Highnesse Realme that any cause whatsoever Ecclesiasticall or temporall within these your Highnesse Dominions should bee heard or adjudged without warrant or commission from your Highnesse your heires and successors or not in the name stile and dignity of your Highnesse your heires and successors or that any seals should be annexed to any promise but onely your Kingly seale and armes May it therefore please the King at the humble supplication of his Commons to have it enacted That the foresaid branch of the foresaid Act made in the first yeare of Queene Elizabeth her raigne and every part thereof may still remaine and for ever bee in force And to theend the true intent and meaning of the said statute made in the first year of K. Edw. the sixth may be declared and revived that likewise by the authoritie aforesaid it may be ordained and enacted that all and singular Ecclesiasticall Courts and Consistories belonging to any Archbishops Bishops Suffraganes College Deane and Chapter Prebendarie or to any Ecclesiasticall person or persons whatsoever and which have heretofore beene commonly called reputed taken or knowne to be Courts or Consistories for causes of instance or wherein any suite complaint or action betweene partie and partie for any matter or cause wherein judgement of law civill or Canon hath beene or is required shall and may for ever hereafter be reputed taken and adjudged to be Courts and judgement seates meerely Civill secular and temporall and not henceforth Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall and as of right belonging and appertaining to the Royall Crowne and dignitie of our Soveraigne Lord King James that now is his heires and successors for ever And that all causes of instance and controversies betweene partie and partie at this day determinable in any of the said Courts heretofore taken and reputed Ecclesiasticall shall for ever hereafter bee taken reputed and adjudged to be causes meerly Civill secular and temporall as in truth they ought to bee and of right are belonging and appertaining to the jurisdiction of the Imperiall crown of this Realme And further that your Highnesse Leige people may bee the better kept in awe by some authorized to bee your Highnesse Officers and Ministers to execute justice in your Highnes name and under your Highnesse stile and title of King of England Scotland France and Ireland defender of the Faith c. in the said Courts and Consistories and in the said causes and controversies Be it therefore enacted by the authorities aforesaid That all the right title and interest of in and to the said Courts and Consistories and in and to the causes and controversies aforesaid by any power jurisdiction or authoritie heretofore reputed Ecclesiasticall but by this Act adjudged civill secular and temporall shall for ever hereafter actually and really be invested and appropried in and to the Royall person of our Soveraigne Lord the King that now is his heires and successors Kings and Queenes of this Realme And that it shall and may be lawfull to and for our said Soveraigne Lord and King his heires and successors in all and every Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his Highnesse Dominions and Countries by his and their letters patents under the great Seale of England from time to time and at all times to nominate and appoint one or moe able and sufficient Doctor or Doctors learned in the Civill Law to bee his and their civill secular and temporall Officer and Officers Minister and Ministers of justice in the same civill secular and temporall Courts and Consistories which in and over his and their royall name stile and dignitie shall as Judge and Judges doe performe and execute all and every such act and acts thing and things whatsoever in and about the execution of justice and equitie in those Courts according to the course and order of the civill Law or the Ecclesiasticall canons and constitutions of the Realme as heretofore hath beene used and accustomed to bee done by for or in the name of any Archbishops Bishops Colledge Cathedrall Church Deane Archdeacon Prebendary or any other Ecclesiasticall person or persons whatsoever And that all and every such civill secular and temporall Officer and Officers Minister and Ministers Judge and Judges in his and their processe shall use one manner of Seal only and none other having graved decently therin your Kingly armes with certaine characters for the knowledge of the Diocesse or Shire And further be it enacted c. That it shall and may be lawfull by the authoritie aforesaid for our said Soveraigne Lord the King his heires and successors from time to time and at all times to nominate and appoint by his and their Highnesse Letters Patents under the great Seale of England for every Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his or their highnesse Dominions one or more able and sufficient persons learned in the Civill Law to be his and their Notarie and Notaries Register and Registers by him and themselves or by his or their lawfull Deputie or Deputies to doe performe and execute all and every such act and acts thing and things as heretofore â—â— the Courts and Consistories Ecclesiasticall aforesaid hath beene and â—ow are incident and appertaining to the office of any Register or Notarie And further at the humble suit of the Commons c. it may please the King to have it enacted that all and singular matters of Wills and Testaments with all and every their appendices that all and singular matters of Spousals and Marriages with their accessories that all and singular matters of defamation heretofore determinable in the Ecclesiasticall Courts and if there bee any other causes of the like meere civill nature shall bee heard examined and determined by the said civill and secular Officers and Iudges in the said civill and secular Courts according to the due course of the civill Law or statutes of the Realme in that behalfe provided And that all matters of Tythes Dilapidations repayre of Churches and if there bee any other of like nature with their accessories and appendices shall be heard examined and determined by the said civill and secular Officers and Judges in the said Civill and Secular Courts according to the Kings Ecclesiasticall Lawes Statutes and customes of the Realme in that behalfe heretofore used or hereafter by the King and Parliament to be established And at the humble suite of the Commons may it please the King to
against us that we which urge the same holy law for the bringing in of the discipline by pastors and elders should notwithstanding contrary to the same law intend the leaving out or altering any one of the three estates But which of the three estates was it that he meant should bee left out I trow there is none of the state of prelacie so ill advised as to take upon him the proof of this position viz. That the Lords spiritual The state of the prelacie is not one of the three estates in parliament by themselves alone doe make one of the three estates or that the statutes of England to this day have stood by their authorities as by the authoritie of those who alone by themselvs are to be accompted one of the three estates For if that were so how much more then might the great Peeres Nobles and temporall Lords challenge to make by themselvs an other estate And without contradiction to this day the commons summoned by the kings writ have ever been reckoned a third estate Now then if statutes have hitherto stood by authoritie of the Lords spirituall as of the first estate by the authoritie of the Lords temporall as of the second estate and by authoritie of the commons as of the third estate I would gladly be resolved what accompt the Admonitor made of the Kings estate It had not beene liegnes nor loyaltie I am sure howsoever hee spake much of the Lords spiritualls dutie and fidelitie in the execution of our late Queenes lawes to have set her Royall person authoritie and state behind the lobbie at the Parliament doore Either the kings Royall person then as not comprised within the compasse and circumcription of the three estates by his meaning which had beene but a very bad meaning must be thought to have beene hitherto secluded from authorizing the statute lawes made in Parliament Or els it is a most cleare case that the Lords spirituall themselves alone do not make any one of the three estates And what matter then of more weight may it happily seeme to be to alter the authoritie of the Lords spirituall and to leave them out of the Parliament when as notwithstanding they being left out the statutes of England may remaine and continue by authoritie of the three estates And it were not amisse for the Lords spirituall to consider that the bodie and state of the weale publike both now is and ever hath beene a perfect entire and complete bodie and State without the bodie and state of Prelacie and that the King and Nobles and Commons of the Realme without Prelates Bishops or Clerkes doe make up all the members and parts of the bodie and of the state and may therefore ordaine promulg and execute all manner of lawes without any consent Anno 36. h. 8. fo 51. h Anno m. j. fo 93. â— approbation or authoritie yeelded unto the same by the Bishops spirituall or any of the Clergie And thus much our Divines Histories and Lawes do justifie Sir Iames Dier Lord chiefe Justice of the Common pleas in his reports telleth us that the state and bodie of a Parliament in England consisteth first of the King as of the head and chiefe part of the bodie secondly of the Lords as principall members and lastly of the Commons as inferiour members of that bodie By a statute of provisoes it appeareth That the holy Church of 25. Ed. 3. holy church founded in the state of prelacie by the King England was founded into the state of prelacie within the Realm of England by the grand father of King Edward the third and his progenitors and the Earles Barons and other Nobles of the Realme and their Ancestors for them to informe the people of the law of God and to make hospitalities and almes and other workes of charitie in These uses are changed to the keeping of great horses great troopes of idlers wiâ—h long haire and great chaines of gold 6 Eliz. c. 1. The King bound to do lawes made without assent of prelates to bee kept as lawes of the realmes the places where the Churches were founded From whence it followeth First that the Archbishops and Bishops only and alone doe not make of themselves any state of prelacie but that the whole holy Church of England was founded into a state of Prelacie Secondly it is plaine that the Kings of England before they and the Earles Barons and other Nobles and great men had founded the holy Church of England into a state of Prelacie ought and were bounden by the accord of their people in their Parliaments to reforme and correct whatsoever was offencive to the lawes and rights of the crowne and to make remedie and law in avoiding the mischiefes dammages oppressions and grievances of their people yea and that the Kings were bound by their oathes to doe the same lawes so made to bee kept as lawes of the Realm though that thorough sufferance and negligence any thing should at any time be attempted to the contrary For whereas before the statute of Caerlile the Bishop of Rome had usurped the Seignories of such possessions and benefices as whereof the Kings of the Realme Earles Barons and other Nobles as Lords and Avowes ought to have the custodie presentments and collations King Edward the first by assent of the Earles Barons and other Nobles and of all the communaltie at their instances and requests und without mention of any assent of the state of prelacie in the said Parliament holden at Caerlile ordained that the oppressions grievances and dammage sustained by the Bishop of Romes usurpation should not from thenceforth be suffered in any manner And forasmuch as the grievances and mischiefes mentioned in the said Act of Caerlile did afterward in the time of King Edward the third daily abound to greater dammage and destruction of the Realm more than ever before and that by procurement of Clerks and purchasers of grace from Rome 31 Ed. 5 sta of â—â—ering the said King Edward the third by assent and accord of all the great men and commons of this Realme and without mention of any assent of Prelates or Lords spirituall having regard of the said Act of Caerlile and to the causes conteyned in the same to the honour of God and profit of the Church of England and of all this Realme ordained and established that the free elections of Archbishops Bishops and all other dignities and benefices elective in England should hould from thenceforth in the manner as they were granted by the Kings progenitors and founded by the ancestors of other Lords And in divers other statutes made by King Edward the third it is said that our soveraigne Lord the King by the assent of the great men and all the Commons hath ordained remedie c. That it was accorded by our Soveraigne Lord the King the great men and all the commons 36 Ed. 3. c. 6 8 Ed. 3. 3. statute of provisours
and contained in the Scriptures that infants must bee baptized neither is it expressed and contained in the Scriptures that the bishop of Lichfield must have but one wife Yet because it is contained in the Scriptures that God in the beginning brought but one woman unto one man and gave to one woman but one husband I assure my selfe it will not be denyed but that the bishop must and doth content himselfe with one wife and that every Christian ought to bring their children to be baptized Besides if Master Bilson distinguisheth bishops in England from pastours in England and Archbishops in England and Pastors in England two severall orders and degrees of Ministers in the Church of England then I grant that it is neither expressed nor contained in the Scriptures that the people must choose their bishops in England And why but because the Scriptures having put no difference betweene bishops and pastours know no such bishops as we have in England And therefore bishops Bishops in England are only Bb. by the Kings grace and not by divine institution in England being bishops only by the Kings grace and not by divine institution and ordination as pastours in England be hence is it that the Kings of England by their prerogative Royall and not the people by the rule of Scriptures have chosen their bishops in England And for this cause also was it that K. Hen. 8. with advice of the Parliament did resume the nomination appointment investiture and confirmation of his Kingly bishops from the pope As for the nomination of pastours having cure of soules in parishes otherwise than all patrons by right of patronage doe give presentments their choise institution translation oâ— deprivation the Kings of England by their Pastours in parochiall Churches were never placed by the King as Bb. are in their Bishopricks regall power never yet hetherto tooke the same upon them And if the Kings of England by any fact or by any law did never take away the right interest and freedome from the people in choosing their pastours what right other than by usurpation can the bishops have to impose or thrust upon the people pastours without their liking But by custome and consent the people have restrained themselves Hereunto if it were not alreadie sufficiently answered that the people could not lawfully restraine themselves yet Master Bilson himselfe answereth That the late bishops of Rome never left cursing The people lost their consent by cursing and fighting of the Popes and fighting till they had excluded both prince and people and reduced the election wholly to the Clergie By cursing and fighting then have the people beene overruled and excluded and not by custome or consent have they restrained themselves Yea and by vertue of this cursed fight only doe the Bishops of England at this day exclude both Prince and people from medling in the choise of pastours For by authoritie of the canon law made by those late cursing and fighting Bishops of Rome the bishops of England have the sole ordination and placing of pastours over the people And from hence also it is plaine that the peoples right was not by their default or abuse relinquished and forfeited For then the late Bishops of Rome needed not to have cursed and fought for it And now whether it be not meet that the Lord Bishops professing themselves to be Christian bishops should still retaine in their hands and not restore unto Christian people the possession of their Christian equitie and freedome extoâ—ted from them by the cursings and fightings of antichristian Bishops I leave it to the consideration of the reverend bishops themselves Touching the mischiefes and inconveniences of schismes troubles strifes and contentions so often inculcated and so much urged and excepted against the election of the people there is no man able as I thinke to produce any one pregnant proofe out of any ancient or late historie that any king or Soveraigne power hath interposed any supreme authoritie to appease any discord or dissention ensuing or raised upon the bare choise made of any meere parochiall pastour by any faithfull and christian people The schismes strifes and factions that were raised in the old churches sprang out and slowed onely Schismes and contentions spring from schismaticall and proud clergie masters from the heads and fountaines of those schismes strifes and factions and namely from proud ambitious and hereticall bishops and great clergie masters For they being infected and poisoned with the contagion of schisme and heresie and having sowred the mindes of their Disciples with the leaven of their hereticall doctrines no marvaile if the people became followers of the evill manners of their teachers and no marvaile if they verified the proverbe Like master like man like Priest like people Eustatius Bishop of Antioch being a Sabellian heretike was deposed by the Councell of Antioch after whose deposition a fierie flame of sedition was kindled in Antioch Socr. 1. c. â—â— because one sort of the common people sought to translate Eusebius Pamphilus from Caesarea to Antioch some other would bring againe Eustatius Eusebius bishop of Nicomedia and Theognis bishop of Nice being both Arians with their confederates raised skirmishes and tumults against Athanasius after the death of Alexander bishop Socr. l. 2. c. 2 of Constantinople about the election of a bishop there was greater stirre than ever before time and the Church was more grievously turmoyled The people were devided into two parts the one egerly set with the heresie of Arius clave to Macedonius the other cleaved very constantly to the decrees of the Nieene Councell and choose Socr. l. 2. c. 4 Paulus to be their Bishop The cause of division among the Citizens of Emisa about the election of Eusebius Emisenus was for that he was charged with the studie of the Mathematickes and accused of Socr. l. 2. c. 6 the heresie of Sabellius After the death of Eusebius when the people of Constantinople had brought againe Paulus to be their bishop the Arians chose Macedonius The authors and chiefe doers in that stirre were certaine Arian bishops who before aided Eusebius that turned up side downe the whole state of the Church These Socr. l. c. 9 and sundry such like sturres discords factions and dissentions are found to have beene raised and pursued by schismaticall and hereticall bishops their favourites and followers in the old Churches but that these or the like mischieves and inconveniences can be proved to have fallen out by the election of Parochiall pastours in the old Churches we deny And why then should not the interest and freedome of faithfull and Christian people wrested from them by cursings and fightings of faithlesse and antichristian Popes be restored to them againe And the cause ceasing why should not the effect likewise cease And therefore we humbly intreat the Lords bishops that against the grounds of reason and nature against Christian equitie A â—equest to the â—everend
desire by an irrevocable law according to the manner of the Medes and Persians to have it enacted That as well every procurer and labourer for a voice as also No occasion of partiall suits about election between parishioners every suitor and sollicitor for a place of Ministery be adjudged ipso facto incapable for ever of the same place For the second touching partiall suits to arise betweene the Parishioners about the election of their Pastor these suits for ought I yet conceive wherin I grant I may erre and conceive too little may easilier be dispatched than be once begun Parishioners ordinarily in the Countrey sue not ne molest one the other for pleasure but for profit they are not so lavish of their purses nor so careles of their thrifts as to jangle in vain when before hand they know there is no hope of gaine And indeed what advantage or what pleasure should Ancients divided against Ancients and chiefe men distracted against chiefe men in a parish about the election of a Minister reape by such â— division and distraction Besides by our daily experience we have learned that very rarely or not at all about elections made by the people of any Officers either in the Countrey or in Cities and Townes any variance or partiall suites have beene stirred betweene the electors For though some times perhaps they varie in their judgements one from another yet rest they more wise and provident than to impaire their owne estate to advance an other mans reputation And if in former times there have no occasion of partiall suites touching publike officers in the common weale fallen out betweene the people when out of a multitude they have chosen one much lesse can there be any occasion of No partiall suites can be among parishioners when one only is propounded to bee chosen by them partiall suites if only there remaine but one to bee chosen to bee a Church officer For if all the ancients agree to choose that one then is all the suit about him ended and if the greater part disagree yet this their disagreement can bee no occasion to breed and nourish suit and contention And why first because no other cause by the greater part ought to be alledged to withdraw their consent but only such a cause as the law should precisely allow in the same case to bee a just cause Secondly because this just cause before the day of election ought to be made knowne unto the Magistrate and by him to be approved so that if the greater part upon the day of election shall dissent not having before hand alleaged and provided a just cause of their dislike the voices of the lesser part as being supposed the better part shall prevaile confirm and make good the election Oh! here is much said my Lords spoken of a choice and election to be made by the Ministers and people by proofes to bee made before the Magistrate but here is not any one word spoken or any mention made of the Patron of the Bishop or of the Archdeacon of presentation institution or induction And what an alteration and innovation would that be and what a dangerous attempt were it to alter lawes setled and that Patrons should bee curbed and that Bishops and Archdeacons should not meddle in these â—usinesses any more Well then to wipe away as much as in me lyeth this cavillous reproach and obloquie from the servants of God who are challenged to be new fangled giddie headed and fanaticall spirits strange innovators and desirers of perillous alterations to wipe away I say this slander If it may please the King with his Princely wisedome to confirme the forme of policie now in use and practice touching ordinations presentations The forme of Church policie now in practice by the Bishops and the platforme of Church policie desired to bee planted by pastours compared together institutions and inductions by Bishops Patrons and Archdeacons with the manner of that platforme of Discipline concerning the substance of these things which is propounded And if the propounders preferre but the commandement of God before the traditions of men but the Kings Crowne before the Bishops Myters but a feast of fat things yea of fat things full of marrow before leane spits and emptie platters but a feast of wines yea of wines fined and purified before sower and untoothsome whey I hope his Majestie will graciously vouchsafe so to protect the propounders being his faithfull loving and obedient subjects as that hereafter they shall not bee charged with any more so unjust and scandalous imputations The practice and policie then now in use is after this and this manner The Bishop oftentimes at his pleasure beside the law nay rather Inconveniences of bishoply ordination are these pestering of the churches with unlearned ministers Vnlawfuâ—l gaine for â—etters or orders the breach of many good lawes against the expresse letter of the Law and publike Canons of the Church not only ordaineth Ministers alone without assistants of such number of Ministers as is required but he also ordaineth them for the most part when there is no place of Ministration void Now the buds which to the griefe of many godly men and to the obloquie of the Professors of the Gospell have sprung from this manner of ordination have beene these viz. The publike breach of many good lawes the pestering of the Church with multitude of unable Ministers together with much unlawfull gaine by immeasurable exaction of money for letters of orders For it cannot be denyed but the Bishops Secretary Gentleman-usher grome of his chamber Butler Pantler Porter and other the Bishops menials besides his owne and his Registers fees and his Clerke for expedition doe usually all or most of them challenge and receive fees some more some lesse before the poore Minister with his box of orders can bee suffered to passe by the porters lodge these are the fruites of the Bishops Suits betweene the patron and the â—ishop sole ordination The suites which have growen and daily do grow by the Patrons presentation to the Bishops have been and are these Sometime contention and suite in law betweene the Patron and Bishop for disallowing the Patrons Clerke for non-abilitie or as being criminous Sometimes if two Patrons pretend right of patronage Suits betweene Clerke and Clerk if one of their Clerkes be instituted and the other rejected as necessarily it must come to passe for one wife can have but one husband then followeth suit at law betweene the Clerk refused and the Clerke admitted wherein also the Bishop is made a partie by a writ of quare impedit sometime suit falleth out betweene the Clerke presented and the Bishops when the Clerke calleth the Bishops Suites between the Bishop and the Clerke by a double quarrell before the Archbishop for not granting institution and sometime also likewise debate is moved and law attempted between the Clerke instituted and the Archdeacon who Suites between the
Scripture to be given them by God and therefore the King and Parliament may be pleased to abolish both them and their power as King Hen. 8. did abolish Monkes and Friars 26. 40. and 28 The challeng for Lordly primacy out of the great charter answered 28 The study of the civill Law and the professors of it may florish more than now they doe 28 Fees for probate of testaments let to farme 29 Fees dew for execution of functions of the Canon Law disproportionable for a Dâ—ctor of the Civill Law 30 An Act of Parliament for the advancement of the Civill Law is set downe and a forme laid for all proceedings in the Courts in which the Civill Lawyers should be Iudges 32 33 It will advance the honour of the King and the good of his subjects to have matters of tithes and testaments and matrimony reduced by act of Parliament to bee tried by the Iudges of the Common Law 37 Matters of tithes and other causes of light nature pertaine to civill justice 37 The temporall law may easily bee applyed to causes now reputed Ecclesiasticall 39 How legacies may be recovered at the Common Law 42 Matters of marriages more fit to bee decided by the Kings officers than by the Bishops 43 Much adâ—e in the Bishops Courts about Accipio and Accipiam 44 The common Law preferred by the Bishops above the Law of God and the civill Law 45 Causes of Adulteries Slander Heresie which by sufferance only have bin exempted from the Cognizance of the King may be arbitrated by the Iudges of the common Law 47 Hierarchy may be judged felony if it please the King 49 The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some by the Law of God belong to the King 50 No impeachment and impropriations in lay mens hands the stat of 15. Rich. 2. and the 4. Hen. 4. being observed for a Vicar endowes yet if it please the King Parliament a law may be made for reducing of impropriations which may bee done First by restitution Secondly by commutation Thirdly by redemption Fourthly by contribution 52 Parochiall Churches to what use they were founded 56 First restitution of many may and ought to be which are now accounted the temporall revenues of Archbishops and Bishops which were given to severall Churches are now spoyled of them by Archbishops and Bishops 55 56 57 58. Secondly commutations may be made of many of the Bishops lands given to superstitious uses for many impropriations in the Kings hand and the hands of many of the Nobility 56 58 59 Thirdly there may bee a redemption made of the same land or buying in of many impropriations by a common purse or treasury which will increase 1. When the people shall be discharged of the burden of Ecclesiasticall Courts 2. The treasure will increase by the dissolution of Chapels of ease and uniting two Parishes into one and especially in great Cities and Towns where often are but small Livings 61 Dissolution of Chapels no new thing Ibid. Chapels the Seminaries of hirelings 62 3. By sequestration of the Livings of non residents 4. By the forfeiture of penall Lawes due to the King 60 61 62 63 Sequestration of the Churches of pluralists may further the treasure for redemption of impropriations 63 By what contributions Impropriations may bee brought to the use of the ministery 63 Fourthly the fourth meanes viz by contribution wherby Impropriations may be reduced to the ministery 63 64 65 How and by what means impropriations may be reduced into the ministery 65 66 None of the three estates in Parliament is lost by removall of the Hierarchy as appeares by severall statutes viz. 25. E. 3. c. 24. 31. Ed. 3. Stat. of Herrings 3. R. 2. c. 3. 7. R. 2. c. 12. 1. E. c. 2. 68 69 70 71 72 73 The state of Prelacy founded by the Grandfather of K. E. 3. 69 The K. having the assent of the Nobles and Commons may repeale statutes without the assent of the Prelates 70 The argument answered in which it is said that it hath been alwayes dangerous to pick quarrels against laws setled 74 75 Lesse danger to reforme the Church by new lawes than to continue corruption by old lawes 74 That argument answered in which it is said that there must of necessity be in every Parish one Pastor a company of Seniors and Deacon or two at the least and all those to be found of the Parish 75 76 77 78 What kind of men ought to be chosen Seniors and Deacons 76 The judgment of the Commissioners of Ed. 6. touching Elders and Deacons 77 The election of Pastors by the people stands upon the ground of reason and nature rules of Christian equity and the law of God therefore by no Law or custome can justly be taken away though actually it was by the Pope 79 to 87 Dangerous to innovate unlesse there be evident utility in innovation 80 The common manner of election in the old Churches was by the people 81 The King without the people hath power to nominate the Kingly Bishop 82 M. Bilson confirmes the peoples election of their Pastor 83 A great difference betwixt the choice of Bishops in England and Pastors 86 No Schisme hapned by choice of Pastors by the people ancient schimes were ever from the election of Bishops 87 88 therefore a Stat. is desired for the giving of election of their Pastors 86 Election of publike officers in Cities and Boroughs is by the principall men of these places 90 91. therefore Ministers may bee elected the officers of Cities and Townes Corporate chosen without contention therefore Pastors may be also chosen 90 The people would be more carefull of their Election than Bishops have been the people could make no choice of insufficient Ministers unles the Bishops did make insufficient Ministers 93 94 The common people accused of backwardnesse in Religion the reason of that must needs be from their ill guides 95 Men of excellent gifts and men of no gifts are unequally matched in the ministery of the Gospell 96 The people may know a man to be a fit Minister though he be not brought up among them 98 What knowledge of a Minister is required in the people before they choose him No partiall suits can follow the election of Ministers by the people 100 The means to take away all symony for places in the Ministry 100 The inconveniences of Bishops ordination set downe 102 As many suits betweene the Bish and the Clerke 2. suits between the Clerke and the Archdeacon 3. suits betweene the B. and the Archdeacon 4. Riots and breaches of the Kings peace 5. unlawfull Fees for Letters of institution 6. unlawfull Fees for letters of sequestration 105. 7. Perjury by the Clerk and robbery by the Patron 8. Chopping of benefices and dispensations 106. A supplication to the Parliament to consider these inconveniences and likewise a briefe way is set downe of the redresse of them 107 Diverse things set down concerning ordination of Ministers
108 How a Minister ought to be called to a place of his examination and approbation by Ministers and the Parish and of his ordination and actuall calling to a place 108 This way laid down before is no such innovation as is pretended it being agreeable to the ancient Lawes of the Land 100 The spirit of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets how to be 112 What is to be done if suit fall out betwixt two Patrons 113 Patrons not so strictly curbed is pretended 114 Prophets to be taken from the Schooles of the Prophets upon difference in judgment of the abilities of men what then to be done 114 Concerning refusall upon non abilitie 116 The benefits insuing the platforme of ordination and required 117 118 What perfection is required in a Minister 120 Prelacy and a learned Ministery cannot stand together 120 That objection answered that the reward of learning being taken away learning it selfe must needs fall to the ground 121 Prelacy the bane of learned Ministers 122 That argument answered concerning the drawing of Schollers out of the Vniversities before they are fit 123 124 The argument concerning excommunication answered by whom excommunication ought to be performed 125 126 127 what it is 128 The inconvenience of the Bishops excommunication 129 It hath many deformities 130 By the Bishops excommunication one may be a communite 130 Excommunication toucheth them only who professe themselves members of the Church 133 The different manner of discipline exercised by Ecclesiasticall Commissioners severall instances in diverse persons set down 134 135 136 The Articles objected by her Majesties High Commissioners for causes Ecclesiasticall against G. B. of B. and F. B. of B. in the County of L. with observations on the Bishops proceedings 1637. 138 139 140 141. with a Copy of the Arch-bishops Letter and answer from the Bishop to that Letter The Argument concerning the bringing in of Aristocracy into the Church answered 143 Prelacy either oligarchie or tyrannīe 144 It is to be feared lest by the examples of the Prelates Oligarchie be brought into the Common-Wealth and therefore a caution is put in against it 145 The government of the Church by Prelates is not Monarchicall 145 If it be so then the government by Pastors may be so too 145 No cause for the Monarch to feare Aristocracy in Church government 147 Pastors disclaime to meddle in civill matters 147 The people of England are rather possessed with the sense of Democracy and Aristocracy 148 The manner of Policy by Pastors and Elders in the Church is agreeable to the government in the Common-wealth but the government by Prelacy is disagreeable 149 The answer of an Italian Bishop being asked vis ne Episcopari And the answer of an English Bishop having obtained his Congedelier 149 150 The manner of administration of justice spirituall in the Church by Prelacy 150 The administration of Iustice spirituall by Pastors and Elders agreeable to the execution of civill justice in the Common-weale 151 No matters of justice civil administred by one alone in the Common-wealth 150 152. Severall ordinances set downe in severall Courts how they proceed 152 153 154. The Government of the Church ought not to bee by one alone 155 156. Severall ordinances thereof in the same pages No exception to bee taken against Lay Elders to be authorized by the King in every Parish since the King authorizeth Lay Elders in Ecclesiasticall commission 157 Discipline of excommunication exercised by one Lay Elder and one Ecclesiasticall Elder an instance of this discipline set downe 157 158 The King hath as good right to command excommunication to be exercised by a Pastor and Elders as the Bishops have to commit the same to a Curate and one Lay Elder 159 Lay men appointed by the Queenes injunctions to execute some part of discipline 160 Every Minister ought to minister the discipline of Christ in his owne cure by consent of Parliament 161 The Minister by promise bindeth himselfe to minister the discipline of Christ 162 The not disposing in particularity all rites and ceremonies of discipline doth not hinder the exercise of discipline by the Minister 163 To what persons the discipline of Christ by Scripture is committed and whether the persons be arbitrable or no 164 165 A Bishop Pastor and Elder and our L. Bishop differ 165. and what a L. Bishop is No Lord Bishop called L. Pastor Pastorall authority of a L. Bishop and of other Pastours is equall 166 Whether a L. Bishop minister the doctrine Sacraments and Discipline of Christ by vertue of his Lordly Episcopall or Pastorall office 166 Lordly Episcopality authorized only by the Realme 167 If the L. Bishop have power to minister Discipline by divine right then no more can hee commit that his power to an other than hee can commit the power which he hath of preaching to another 168 Whether L. Bishops by Pastorall Authority may excommunicate a Pastour 169. Pastors over small Flocks are as truly Pastors as Pastors over great Flocks 169. As great parity between Pastors and Pastors as between Apostles and Apostles 169 Not onely Kings of great kingdomes but also Kings of small kingdomes bee true Kings 170. Rurall Deanes in Cheshire c. use some part of Episcopall power 171 Episcopall power to excommunicate granted by papall priviledges or prescribed Vse 171. Power to excommunicate if it be of divine right may not bee prescribed 171. No more preheminence given to a Bishop than to a Minister or to a Lay-man in some places for the use of Excommunication 172 AN ASSERTION FOR True and Christian Church-Policie Wherein certaine politike Objections made against the planting of Pastors and Elders in every Congregation are sufficiently answered And wherein also sundry projects are set downe how the Discipline by Pastours and Elders may be planted without any derogation to the KINGS Royall Prerogative c. ADMONITION THE reason that moveth us not to like of this Pag. 79. platform of Government is that when we on the one part consider the things that are required to be redressed and on the other the state of our Countrey People and Common weale we see evidently that to plant those things in this Church will draw with it so many and so great alterations of the state of Government and of the Lawes as the attempting thereof might bring rather the overthrow of the Gospell among us than the end that is desired ASSERTION THe benefit of all exceptions and advantages to the invaliditie uncertaintie imperfections and insufficiency of this admonitory bill and matters therein contained alwayes saved for answere to so much as concerneth this clause and every other clause and article of the bill hereafter following and without that that there is any matter or thing in the same bill of admonition materiall to be answered unto and not herein or hereby sufficiently answered confessed and avoided traversed and deemed is true in such manner and forme as in the same is set forth and declared
than to plant the things required to be planted And alas what a resolution was that among pillars and Fathers for so they will bee counted of the Church Especially when as the things required to be redressed were required to bee redressed at the hands of the whole state of governement that is at the hands of the Queene the Lords Spirituall and Temporall and Commons in open Parliament assembled And could any dammage I pray you have ensued to the state of Government to the state of the Queene to the state of our Countrey People Common weale and Lawes or to the state of the Gospell if things amisse in the Church had beene redressed and things wanting in the Church had beene planted by so high and supreme a power I trow not Nay seeing our Countrey People and Commmon weale not only once and twice and thrice but many times have humbly and earnestly prayed and solicited in open Parliament a redresse of things amisse in the Church is it not most evident that things were not considered aright but amisse by these Fathers of the Church And that the considerers by keeping things unplanted rather aymed at their owne profit honour and dignitie than that our Countrey People and Common weale should fare the better by having things amisse to bee redressed The considerers then being them selves parties yea and such parties as by whom things were carried amisse in the Church and whose defects only were required to be redressed no marvell I say if they used all kinde of artificiall advisement and consideration to keepe things still unplanted by the planting whereof their owne unfatherly miscariages must have beene reformed On the other side if things required to be planted might indeed be once planted howsoever happily our former Church officers might bee somewhat male-contented and discouraged to have their superfluities pared and the edge of their swords abated yet is there no least cause at all for our Countrey people and Common weale to feare any trouble or hurly burly among us For if the hand of God be in Judah so that he give the people one heart to doe the commandement 2 Chron. 30 12. of the King and of the Rulers according to the word of the Lord and if the King the Nobles and Commons shall condescend and agree in one and if their voices shall be all but as the voice of one man to allow and approve that which doth touch and concerne them all then shall neither the Nobles have any occasion to disdaine the Commons nor the Commons any reason to envie the Nobles Much lesse can the Nobles be at variance with the Nobles nor the Commons be at defiance with the Commons For they bee all of them so prudent and so provident as that they will not bite one another lest they should be devoured one of the other And in deed why should any of our Clergie-Masters be so void of judgement as to deny the Nobles and Commons after foure and forty yeares experience of a most prosperous peace waiting upon the Gospell to be now growne so uncircumspect and simple witted as that a reformation of disorders to be made by their consents in others should bring forth a confusion in themselves What will they bicker one with the other will they beate and buffet one another when there is no cause of disagreement or variance betweene them For they shall be sure to lose neither libertie nor dignitie they shall endanger neither honour nor profit Our Nobles shall be tres-noble still they shall be Princes and Captaines over our people They shall be Deputies and Presidents in our publike Weale They shall be Peeres and Ancients of the Kingdome their Priviledges Prerogatives Preeminences stiles ensignes and titles of prowesle and honour shall not be raced defaced or diminished But they shall as they may and ought remaine and continue whole and inviolable both to them and their posterities throughout their generations Our Judges Justices and Lawyers shall have and enjoy their authorities credits and reputations as in ancient times They shall be recorders of our Cities Townes and Boroughs They shall be Stewards of Kings Leets and Lawdayes Our Knights Esquires and Gentlemen shall still bee Burgesses in Parliaments and Conservators of the Kings peace they shall bee Assistants to examine and represse thefts rapines murders robberies riots routs and such like insolencies yea they shall be our Spokes-men and our Dayes-men to arbitrate and compose striffes and debates betweene neighbour and neighbour Our common people they without disturbance shall quietly and peacably retaine and injoy as in former ages their immunities franchises and liberties as well abroad as at home as well in their houses as in their fields They shall possesse their tenancies without ejection they shall bee inheritors without expulsion as well to the lawes liberties and customes as to the lands and possessions of their Ancestors They shall not bee compelled to goe to warfare upon their owne costs they shall not be tryed arraigned or condemned by forraign power or by forraigne Lawes There shall no husbandry no clothing no handicraft no mariner no marchandise no lawes of the Land no manner of good learning whatsoever in Schoole Colledge or Vniversitie be decreased or laid aside Wherefore the Admonitor toying neversomuch howsoever hee hath made his flourish and cast about with his May bees his I feare his pray God his yfes and his andes howsoever I say it pleased him to trifle with these gew gawes yet shall none ever be able to prove by any proofes drawne from the holy Scripture or humane reason that any hinderance indignitie or incumbrance can ever betide our Nobles our Commons the state of our Countrey People Lawes or Common-Weale if the state of Church-governement were translated from Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons Chancellours Commissaries and Officials which are officers in the house of God only according to the commandements and traditions of men unto the government practised by the Apostles and primitive Church which they cannot deny but must confesse to have been according to the holy pleasure of God Nay our Nobles and our Commons are most assured to bee so farr from being endammaged or dosing ought hereby as hereby they shall purchase that unto themselves which never yet any oppugner of so good and holy a cause could attaine unto Namely they shall seale up unto their owne soules infallible testimones of good and sincere consciences testimonies I say of their fidelities unto God testimonies of their allegiance unto him by whom they have beene redeemed and testimonies of love and compassion unto the whole Church of God Nay further our Commons shall be so farre from bringing a-dammage upon themselves as they shall marvellously benefit the mselves First by purchasing unto themselves a large immunitie from many foule and great grievances and exactions of money imposed and levied upon them by Officers and Deputies of Arehbishops Bishops Archdeacons c. Secondly by having the Lord Christ whose cause
the Bishops and Archdeacons their Courts Wee will examine what fees Doctors of the civill law being Chancellors Commissaries or Officials have usually and ordinarily allowed unto them by their Lords and Masters Fees for probat of Testaments granting Fees for probat of testaments let to farm of administrations with their appendances of late years in some places whether in all or how many I know not have beene demised unto farm for an annuall rent out of which either a small or no portion at all have beene allowed unto the Chancellor or Officiall for his service in this behalf Whereupon as I conjecture it hath fallen out rather than that those Officers would worke keepe Courts and travaile for little or nought ther have been exacted greater fees for the dispatch of these things than by law ought to have bin paid Perquisits of courts arising upon suites commenced betweene partie and partie it must be a plentifull harvest and there must be multi amici curiae in a Bishops consistorie if ordinarily communibus annis they amount in the whole to twenty pounds by the yeare and yet these perquisits belong not wholly to the Chancellor but are to be devided between him and the Register And touching fees for excommunication and absolution fees for institution and induction licences to preach licences for Curats and Readers For testimoniall of subscription or licences to marry without banes fees for commutation of penance and fees for relaxation of sequestrations touching these manner of Fees if the same be fees no Fees due for the execution of the functions of the canon law dishonourable for a Doctor of the civill Law way warrantable how are not then such fees every way dishonourable for a Doctor of the Civill law to take either of Ministers or people There must be therefore some other hope of better reward and maintenance to incite and incourage schollars to the studie of the civill law than are these beggerly and unlawfull fees depending upon the functions and exacted by the Officers of the Canon law or els the use of the civill law as the Admonitor saith must necessarily in short time be overthrown For if Fees for probat of Testaments and granting of administrations with their appendices shall still be let to farme and if also many unlawfull fees were quite inhibited there would remaine I trow but a very poore pittance for Civilians out of the functions of the Canon law to maintain their Doctoralities withall But what better reward can there bee for Civilians than hath already beene mentioned If the Admonitor had not willingly put a hood Civilians in England live not only by the functions of Canon law wincke before his eyes he might have seene that the Civilians live not wholly and altogether by the practice of the Canon Law but partly also and that most honourably by the use of the Civill law If a Doctor of the Civill Law be judge or Advocate in the Court of Admiraltie if he be Judge or Advocate in the Prerogative Court so farre as the same Court handleth only matters of Legacies Testaments and Codicills to what use can the Canon Law serve him or what advantage can the same Law bring him in Beside to what use serveth the Canon Law unto a Doctor of the Civill Law if he shall finde favour in the Kings sight and if it please the King to make him one of the Masters of his Requests or one of the twelve Masters of his high Court of Chancery or to be the Master of his Rolls or to be his Highnesse Embassador unto forraigne Nations or to be one of his Highnes most honourable privie Councel or to be one of his principall Secretaries It followeth not therefore as the Admonitor pretendeth that either the Civilians in this Realme live not by the use of the civill law but by the offices and functions of the Canon law and such things as are within the compasse thereof or that the hope of reward and by that means the whole studie of the Civill Law must be taken away if once the Canon Law should be abolished Neither would it bee any hard matter for the King if the Civilians might find grace in his sight to appoint Courts Offices and all manner of processe and proceedings in judgement for Doctors of the Civill Law to heare and determine in the Kings name all causes being now within the compasse of any Civill or Ecclesiasticall Law within this Realme And although a little candle can give but a little light and a small Spring can send forth but a small streame yet because great fires are kindled sometimes by little sparkles and small streames meeting together may in time grow into great riveâ—s I shall desire the great Civilians with their floods and lamps of learning to help forward such a law as whereby the study of the Civill Law may be upholden the reward and maintenance of Civilians without any function from the Canon Law may be enlarged many controversies and disorders in the Church may be pacified and the Kings Prerogative Royall bee duely advanced Which things if it might please them rightly to consider then let them humbly and seriously beseech our Soveraigne Lord the King and States in Parliament to give their consents to such a Law as the project ensuing may warrant them the same not to bee dangerous to the overthrow of their civill studies The Project of an Act for the explanation and amplyfying of one branch of a Statute made in the first year of the raign of Queen ELIZABETH entituled An Act restoring to the Crowne the ancient jurisdiction over the state Ecclesiasticall and also for the declaring and reviving of a Statute made in the first year of King EDWARD the sixth entiled An Act what seales and stiles Bishops and other spirituall persons exercising jurisdiction Ecclesiasticall shall use FOrasmuch as by one branch of an Act made in the first yeare of our late Soveraign Ladie of blessed memorie Queen Elizabeth entituled an Act restoring to the Crowne the ancient jurisdiction over the state Ecclesiasticall and Spirituall and abolishing all forraign power repugnant to the same it was established and enacted That such jurisdictions priviledges superiorities and preeminences Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall as by any spirituall or Ecclesiasticall power or authority hath heretofore beene or may lawfully be exercised or used for the visitation of the Ecclesiasticall state and persons and for reformation order and correction of the same and of all manner errors heresies schismes abuses offences contempts and enormities should for ever by authoritie of that present Parliament be united and annexed to the imperiall Crown of this Realm by means whereof it may now be made a question whether any Archbishops or other Ecclesiasticall persons having since that time used or exercised any such spirituall or Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction in their owne right or names might lawfully have done or hereafter may lawfully do the same without speciall warrant and authoritie derived
of the Common Law before the Kings Judges and Justices of the Kings bench and Common pleas By a Statute of 32. H. 8. c 7. it is cleare that all tyths oblations c. and other Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall profits by the lawes and statutes of the Realme may be made temporall as being admitted to be abide and goe to and in temporall hands lay-uses and profits From the reason of which statute it is cleare that those lawes likewise may be reckoned amongst us for temporall lawes which by the lawes and statutes of the Realme may be executed by temporall and lay persons and which are conversant about temporal and lay causes If then the execution of the Lawes touching these matters may lawfully remaine and abide in the hands of Doctors of the Civill Law being temporall and lay persons as alreadie under the Bishops they doe it cannot be denied but that the Kings Judges and Justices of both benches may bee as competible Judges to put in execution the lawes concerning these matters as Doctors of the Civill Law or other lay men be But the causes are not reputed and called temporall and lay causes amongst us What for that if in their owne nature simply considered these causes be merely lay and temporall causes such causes I meane as whereof the King a lay civill and temporall Magistrate by his lay civill and temporall Magistracie derived unto him immediately from the holy law of God may and ought to take cognizance and thereupon either in his owne Royall person or by the person of any of his inferiour Officers may give absolute and peremptorie judgement If I say these things be so what booteth it or what wisedome is it to contend that these causes and matters have been and are still adjudged to be therefore Ecclesiasticall and no temporall causes because through an abusive speech or through a vaine and evill custome they have beene so led and accompted in times past And what if it hath pleased the Kings Progenitors by sufferance to tolerate the executions of such Lawes as concerne these things to bee in the hands and power of Ecclesiasticall persons yet hereupon it followeth not that in very deede and truth the Magistracie of the said Ecclesiasticall persons was an Ecclesiasticall Magistracie or that they were Ecclesiasticall Magistrates but their Magistracie was and remained still a temporall magistracie and they were and abode temporall Magistrates For not more can the qualitie of the person alter the nature of the cause than can the qualitie of the cause alter the nature of the person And if it be true that matters determinable in times past by a Magistracie abusively called Ecclesiasticall be notwithstanding properly temporall matters and that the same Magistracie also be a temporall and no spirituall Magistracie what a childish and poore conceit is it to challenge and threp upon the temporall Magistrate that he hath none or very few temporall lawes touching those matters and that therefore the people should not solicit an alteration of abuses in Church government left for want of temporall lawes the people should bee without Ecclesiasticall discipline It will be no small matter saith he to apply these things to the temporall law yea and so say I to But what of that The question is not how hardly these things may be applyed to the temporall law but how small a matter it were to apply the temporall law unto these things For it is not said in any law that casus ex juribus but it is said in all lawes that ex casibus jura nascuntur The temporall law may easily be applyed to causes now reputed Ecclesiasticall And indeed the Phisition applyeth not the disease to his Phisick but he prepareth his phificke for the disease The husband-man he measureth not his ground by the seed but his seed by the ground The Draper he meateth not his yard by the cloth but his cloth by the yard If in like manner the temporall lawes and the grounds and rules thereof were applyed to these matters of tythes marriages c. whereof he speaketh what more alteration could there bee of the temporall law by such an application then there is an alteration of the plummet by laying it to the stone or than there is an alteration of the rule or yard by laying them to the timber and cloth Besides he that rightly and after an exact and equall proportion can apply one rule or maxime of the temporall law to many more cases than whereupon it hath beene usually in former times applyed hee may rather bee reputed an additioner than an alterer of the Law But how may the temporall Law be applyed to those matters how even so and so as followeth By the statute of 32. H. 8. c. 7. it is declared that tythes oblations how tythes may bee recovered in the Kings temporall Courts c. and other Ecclesiasticall or spirituall profits c. being lay mens hands to lay uses be no more Ecclesiasticall but temporall goods and profits and that if any person were diseased deforced wronged or otherwise kept or put from his lawfull inheritance estate seisin c. of in or to the same by any person claiming or pretending to have interest or title in or to the same that then in all and every such case the person so disseised deforced or wrongfully kept from his right or possession shall and may have his remedie in the Kings tempoâ—al Courts as the case shall require for the recoverie of such inheritance by writ originall c. to be devised and granted out of the Kings Court of Chancery in like maner c. It is there likewise provided that that Act shall not extend nor be expounded to give any remedie cause of action or suite in the Courts temporall against any person which shall refuse to set out his tythes or which shall detaine c. his tythes and offerings But that in all such cases the partie c. having cause to demand or have the same tythes shall have his action for the same in the Ecclesiasticall Courts according to the ordinance in the first part of that act mentioned and none otherwise Now then sithence every person whether he be lay or Ecclesiasticall having right to demand tythes and offerings hath the partie from whom those tythes be due bound and obliged unto him and sithence also the partie not dividing yeelding or paying his tythes doth actually and really detaine the same and thereby doth unjustly wrong the partie to whom they be due contrary to justice and the Kings lawes sithence I say these things be so what alteration or disadvantage could befall or ensue to the Common Law or the Professors thereof if so be it might please the King with his Parliament to have the last part of this Act so to be explained extended and enlarged as that the same might give remedy in the Kings temporall Courts by writ originall to be devised and granted out of the Chancerie against
any person detaining his tithes and offerings the Hospitall of S. Leonards in Yorke of the Kings foundation and Patronage endowed of a thrave â—ospital of S. Leonard 1 2. h. 6. c 2 of Corne to bee taken yearely of every plough earing within the Counties of Yorke Comberland Westmerland and Lancaster having no sufficient or convenable remedie at the Common Law against such as with-held the same thraves it was ordained by the King in Parliament that the Master of the said Hospital and his successors might have action by writ or plaints of debt or detaine at their pleasure against all and every of them that detained the same thraves for to recover the same thraves with their dammages And by the Statute of 32. H. 8. c. 4. it is enacted That the Parsons and Curates of five Parish Churches whereinto the Towne of Royson did extend it self and every of them and the successors of every of them shall have their remedie by authoritie of that act to sue demand ask and recover in the kings Court of Chancerie the tythes of corn hay wooll lamb and calfe subtracted or denyed to be paid by any person or persons Againe Vicars Parsons or improprietaries do impleade any man in the Ecclesiasticall Court for tythes of wood being of the age of twenty years or above for tyth-hay out of a medow for the which time out of mind and memorie of man there hath only some Meade-silver beene paid or if a debate hang in a spirituall Court for the right of tythes having his originall from the right of Patronage and the quantity of the same tythes do passe the fourth part of the value of the benefice a prohibition in all these and sundry other cases doth lie and the matters are to bee tried and examined in the Kings Courts according to the course of the Common Law unlesse upon just cause there bee granted a consultation And if in these cases in maintenance of the Common Law the defendants have reliefe in the Kings Courts I thinke it more meet to leave it to the consideration rather of common than to the judgement of Canon Lawyers to determine what alteration the Common Law could sustaine in case if plaintiffes as well as some defendants might pray the Kings aide for the recoverie of tythes especially seeing at this day the manner of paying tythes in England for the most part is now limited by the common and statute lawes of the Realm and not by any forraigne canon law But there is some fact Object happily so difficile so secret and so misticall in these causes of tythes as the same cannot without a very great alteration of the Common law Answer be so much as opened before a lay judge or of the hidden knowledge whereof the Kings temporall Judges are not capable Why then let us What facts touching the upholding of tyths are examinable in the Ecclesiasticall courts see of what nature that inextricable fact may be I have perused many libels made and exhibited before the Ecclesiasticall Judges yea and I have read them over and over and yet for ground of complaint did I never perceive any other materiall and principall kinde of fact examinable in those Courts but only such as follow First that the partie agent is either Rector Vicar Proprietarie or Possessor of such a Parish-Church and of the Rectorie Vicaridge farme possession or dominion of the same and by vertue thereof hath right unto all tythes oblations c. apertaining to the same Church and growing within the same parish bounds limits or places tythable of the same Secondly that his predecessors Rectors Vicars c. time out of mind and memorie of man have quietly and peaceably received and had all and singular tythes oblations c. increasing growing and renewing within the Parish c and that they and he have beene and are in peaceable possession of having and receiving tythes oblations c. Thirdly that the partie defendant hath had and received in such a yeer c. of so many sheepe feeding and couching within the said Parish c. so many fleeces of wooll and of so many Ewes so many Lambes c. Fourthly that the defendant hath not set out yeelded or paid the tyth of the wooll and lambe and that every Tyth fleece of the said wool by commâ—n estimation is worth so much and that every tyth Lambe by common estimation is likewise worth so much c. Fifthly that the defendant is subject to the jurisdiction of that Court whereunto he is summoned Lastly that the defendant doth hetherto deny or delay to pay his tyths notwithstanding he hath beene requested thereunto These and such like are the chiefe matters of fact whereupon in the The Kings Iustices are as able to judge of exceptions against tyths as the Ecclesiasticall Iudges Ecclesiasticall Courts proofes by witnesses or records rest to be made for the recoverie of tythes And who knoweth not but that these facts upon proofes made before the Kings Justices may aswell bee decided by them as by any of the Reverend Bishops or venerable Archdeacons their Chancellors or Officials If there be any exception alleaged by the defendant as of composition prescription or priviledge the Kings Justices are as able to judge of the validitie of these as they are now able eo determine customes de modo decimandi or of the use of high wayes of making and repairing of Bridges of Commons of pasture pawnage â—estovers or such like Truth it is that of Legacies and bequests of goods the reverend Bishops by sufferance Legacies how they may be recovered at the common law of our Kings and consent of our people have accustomably used to take cognizance and to hold plea in their spirituall Courts Notwithstanding if the Legacie bee of lands where lands be divisible by Testament the judgement thereof hath beene alwayes used and holden by the Kings writ and never in any Ecclesiasticall Court Wherefore if it shall please the King to enlarge the authoritie of his Courts temporall by commanding matters of legacies and bequests of goods aswell as of lands to be heard and determined in the same it were not much to be feared but that the kings Justices the kings learned Counsell and others learned in the Law of the Realm without any alteration of the same law would speedily finde meanes to apply the grounds thereof aswell to all cases of Legacies and bequests of goods as of lands For if there be no goods divisible by will but the same are grantable and confirmable by deed of gift could not the kings Justices aswell judge of the gift and of the thing given by will as of the grant and of the thing granted by deed of gift or can they not determine of a Legacie of goods aswell as of a bequest of lands If it should come in debate before them whether the Testator at that time of making his will were of good and perfect memorie upon proofs and other
the papall canon law must needs take place because by the same law consent of Parents is not de necessitate but The canon law preferred by the reverend Bishops before the law of God and the civill law de honestate tantum and because also matrimonia debent esse libera non pendere ex alieno arbitrio Wherein the reverend Bishops under their favourable patience can not clearely excuse themselves of much oversight in so slender managing of a matter of so great and high a consequence The holy law of God by publike authoritie hath been commanded within this Realme to bee sincerely and purely taught received and embraced The civill law hath not had her free course in this case hindered by any law of the Realme And how then commeth it to passe that the canon law being in this point repugnant to both these Lawes should notwithstanding be preferred beare sway and take place in this Realme before and above both these Laws especially Certain speciall points to be provided about mariages the same in this point as being against the law of God being utterly taken away The abuses past and mariages past under colour and pretext of this law may and ought to be bewailed and repented of yea and that no such mariages in time to come may be made I leave it to be considered whether it might not tend to the advancement of the Law of God be honourable for the King and commodious for the Common Weale providently to provide these things following viz. First that no matrimonie secretly contracted against the will or unknowning of or to the father or him or her that hath the keeping education or government of the partie to be maried before he or she come to a certaine age should in any sort be good or available to make the posteritie of those who shall bee so maried legitimate or inheritable Secondly that every contract of mariage concluded with consent of parents Tutor Governour or Gardian should be forcible and effectuall to bind both parties irrevocably whether the same contract with an intent to conclude a mariage be made by wordes of the present or future tence it skilleth not Thirdly that every man stealing away contracting and marrying a maide under the age of certaine yeares without consent of father tutor governour or gardian should be a felon and for such his felonious act suffer the paines of death And lastly that all licences to marry without banes asking according to the intendment of the booke of Common prayer bee forbidden and unlawfull for ever Which things if they might be observed it is very likely that mens inheritances as now many times they doe should not hang in suspence upon question of legitimation or illegitimation of their children to be allowed or disallowed by the commonlaw There should not any such long and tedious suites and variances hereafter fall out betweene the posterities and children of one man for the right and interest of their Ancestors lands Neither should Sir Thomas Lucie nor Sir Edmond Complaint heretofore made upon stealing away and marying mens daughters how they may cease Ludlow nor the Lady Norton nor Master Cooke the Kings Atturney generall nor many moe Knights Esquires and Gentlemen complaine and bewaile the stealing away and mariages of any their daughters Neeces neer Kinswomen or Wards Neither could it bee possible that one woman might procure foure or five severall licences for the mariage of foure or five severall husbands all of them being alive together and not one of them dead Neither should there any licence of mariage be granted out of any Ecclesiasticall Court to any man or woman with a blanck whereby the partie licensed was enabled to have maried another mans wife or his owne or his wives sister Neither should any couples maried and living together foure six or more yeers as man and wife upon a new and suddaine dislike or discontentment and upon a surmised precontract to be pretensedly proved by two suborned witnesses be adjudged by vertue of the canon law to be no husband and to be no wife Neither should any man being solemnly maried to a wife and afterward by reason of a precontract solemnly divorced from the same his wife and by censures of the Church compelled to marry her for whom sentence of precontract was adjudged be re-authorised by the same Consistorie about ten or twelve years after the divorce to resummon recall and rechallenge his first wife especially she having a testimoniall out of the same Consistorie of her lawfull divorce and being againe solemnly maried to an other husband Wherefore to conclude these matters of tythes testaments and Mariages if the King should not be pleased to have the studie of the civill law advanced by some such law as whereof the former project maketh mention I dispute for the enlarging of the common law thus If it stand with reason with the grounds and rules of the common law and with the Kings Royall prerogative that in cases of Tythes Testaments and Mariages the King if it may please him so to provide by Parliament may give remedie unto complaynants by writs out of the Charcorie and that complaints in such cases may effectually be redressed upon such writs in the Kings Courts And if also sundry matters of Tythes Testaments and Marriages bee already handled in the Kings Courts if these things I say be so and so may be then with little reason did the Admonitor warne us that a very great alteration of the common law must follow and that it will bee no small matter to apply these things to the temporall law But the antecedent is true as hath beene already shewed Therefore the consequent is true ADMONITION Indgements also of adulterie slander c. are in these mens judgments meere temporall and therefore to be dealt in by the temporall Pag. â—â— Magistrate only ASSERTION We are indeed of this judgement that in regard of the Kings Royall Office these judgements of adulterie and other criminall Causes comprised within this clause c. ought no more to be exempted from the Kings temporall Courts than matters of theft murder treason and such like ought to be And for the maintenance of our judgements we affirme that there is no crime or offence of what nature or qualitie soever respecting any commandement contained within either of the two tables of the holy law of God if the same be now corrigible by spirituall power but that some fault and contempt one or other of the like nature and qualitie as comprised under the same commandement hath beene evermore and is now punishable by the Kings Regall and temporall jurisdiction For adulterie as the same is to be censured by penance in the Ecclesiasticall Courts so is ravishment also buggerie and sodomie to bee punished in the Kings Court by paine of death And as hath beene accustomed that Ordinaries by censures of the Church may correct fornicators so fornication also as in some bookes
written of the common law is reported hath beene in times passed presented and punished in leets and law-dayes in divers parts of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte which is as the booke saith an ancient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leet where it hath beene presented hath ever had a fine for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the seas it appeareth that the King hath cognizance 25. Ed 3. of some bastardy And now in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliz. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to be punished at the discretion of the justices of peace Touching perjurie if a man lose his action by a false verdict in plea Perjurie if punishable temporally in some cases why not in all of land he shall have an attaint in the Kings Court to punish the perjurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings temporall Officers may punish perjurie committed in the Kings temporall Courts And though it be true that such perjury as hath risen upon causes reputed spirituall have beene in times past punished only by Ecclesiastical power and censures of the Church yet hereupon it followeth not that the perjurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civily punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Edw. 3. it was accorded that the Vsurie King and his heires shall have the cognizance of the usurers dead and that the Ordinaries have cognizance of usurers on life to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the usuries taken against the lawes of holy Church And by another statute it is provided that usuries shall not turne against any being â—0 h. 3. â— 5. within age after the time of the death of his Ancestor untill his full age But the usurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his ancestor did remaine and turne against the heire And because all usurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne and detestable it was enacted that all usurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that every such offender shall also bee punished and corrected according to the Ecclesiasticall lawes before that time made against usurie By all which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance and reformation of usurie by the lawes of the Realme pertaineth onely to the King unlesse the King by his Law permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the Church as a sin committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishops by their Episcopall and ordinarie spirituall power grounded upon Canon law or an evill custome have used by definitive sentence pronounced in their Consistories to condemn men for heretikes and schismatikes and heresies schismes are punishable by the kings laws afterward being condemned to deliver them to the secular power to suffer the paines of death as though the king being custos utriusque tabulae had not power by his kingly office to inquire of heresie to condemn an heretike and to put him to death unlesse he were first condemned and delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath been I say the use in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second and Henry the fifth it was lawfull for the Kings Judges and Justices to enquire of heresies and Lollards in Leets Sheriffs 25. h. 5. c. 14. turnes and in Law dayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived by an act of Parliament which before the Statute of Henry the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of England the king by the Lawes of the Realme and by his Supreme and 1 Eliz c. 1. Soveraigne power with his parliament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaults and enormities Yea further the king and his 1 Eliz. c. 1. parliament with consent of the Clergie in their Convocation hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the king to have it enacted by parliament that they which opiniatively and obstinately hold defend and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parliament already made have beene or may be ordered or adjudged to bee heresies should bee heretikes If it please the King heretikes may be adjudged felons and heresies felonies and felons and their heresies to be felonies and that the same heretiks and felons for the same their heresies and felonies being arraigned convicted and adjudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies and felonies suffer the paines of death there is no doubt but the King by vertue of his Soveraigne and Regall Lawes might powerfully enough reforme heresies without any such ceremoniall forme papall observance or superstitious solemnitie as by the order of the Canon Law pretended to bee still in force have beene accustomed And as these offences before mentioned bee punishable partly by temporall and partly by Ecclesiasticall authoritie so drunkennesse absence from divine service and prayer fighting quarrelling and brawling in Church and Churchyard defamatorie words and libels violent laying on oâ— hands upon a Clarke c. may not onely bee handled and punished in a court ecclesiasticall but they may also be handled and punished by the King in his temporall courts By all which it is evident that the Clergie hath had the correction of these crimes rather by a The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some crimes â—â— the law of God belong to the King custome and by sufferance of Princes than for that they be meere spirituall or that they had authoritie by the immediate law of God And if all these as well as some of these crimes by sufferance of Princes and by a custome may be handled and punished spiritually then also if it please the King may all these as well as some of these crimes without a custome be handled and punished temporally For by custome and sufferance only some of these crimes be exempted from the cognizance of the King and therefore by the immediate law of God the cognizance as well of all as of some oâ— these crimes properly appertaineth unto the King And then the judgement of those men who defend judgements of adulterie slander c. to be more temporall and by the temporall Magistrate only to be dealt in seemeth every way to be a sincere and sound judgment Howbeit they doe not hereby intend that the party offending in any of these things and by the Kings law punishable should therefore wholly bee exempted and freed
presently the parish Church of Hadenham only excepted was adjudged to be void and utterly repealed and adnulled for ever And therefore I leave it to the inquisition of our Soveraigne Lord the King whether the impropriation of the parish Church of Belgrave in the Countie of Leicâ—ster whereunto two Chappels are annexed and other Churches appropried to the Bishop of Liecester since the statutes of Richard the second and Henry the fourth bee the lawfull or unlawfull possession and heritage of the same Bishop yea or no And if it bee lawfully appropried and so a lawfull possession and heritage then I leave it againe to the inquisition of the King what summe of money out of the fruits of the same Church ought yearely to bee distributed to the poore parochians what the endowment of a Uicar canonically to be instituted and inducted in the same Church should bee what house is appointed for the same Vicar to keepe his hospitalitie in and whether any Vicar for the space of these many yeares passed hath beene canonically instituted and inducted in the same Church to possesse that endowment to inhabit that same house and to inform that people For if by the appropriation it self or by the abuse thereof the poore parochians have beene defrauded of their yearely distribution or if no Vicars have beene Canonically instituted and inducted in the same or if being inducted they have their endowments so small or so covetously kept back from them as that they cannot sufficiently maintaine themselves much lesse keepe hospitalitie then as the Admonitor confesseth there must needs be a lamentable abuse of impropriations and that therefore it is greatly to be wished that by some good statute it might be remedied And as those Churches which are unlawfully appropried are not the lawfull possession and heritage of the proprietaries so on the other side we affirme that those impropriations which were made and reformed according to the statutes of Ric. 2. and Hen. 4. may well stand as mens lawfull possessions and heritages even with those things which are required to be planted and brought into the Church whatsoever the Admonitor hath written to the contrary For we doe not hold that maintenance must only and necessarily be provided for every Minister by the paiment of tyths oblations and other ecclesiastical profits belonging to Churches appropried or disappropried For there being no direct proof to be made out of the law of God that Ministers of the Gospell must only live upon tythes the King and parliament may well and competently enough appoint convenable endowments for every Minister without disapproprying of any Church appropried And therefore little cause had the Admonitor to insinuate the ruine of impropriations upon the bringing in the discipline of our Saviour Christ because the same may be well planted and yet to other not unplanted But what need we to argue against his insinuation considerâ—ng hee himselfe before he came to the end of this page by his owne idisclaime contradicted his insinuation For if the forme of finding Ministers by tythes must with the canon law as he saith be abolished and if there must be some other order for this devised because this may seeme papisticall and antichristian what should any man feare the taking away of those lawes whereby impropriations do stand For if such as heretofore have spoken or written against them because as he insinuateth the forme of finding Ministers by tythes seemed to be unlawfully taken away and as he would also insinuate by their judgement ought againe to bee restored and not to stand any longer as mens lawfull possessions and heritages How I say doth it follow that they which desire impropriations to be restored to their pristinate state should withall enquire to have the finding of Ministers by Tythes to bee abolished It seemeth therefore that the Admonitor so hee might bee talking passed but a little what hee talked For what a double talke is here or to what purpose was this talke Was it because some men doe thinke that the Ministers ought not to receive tythes for their reliefe and paines in the Ministerie Why then let all men know that we disclaime such some mens opinions For we account all things pertaining to this life directly or by consequence not commanded nor prohibited by the holy and sacred Scriptures to be things indifferent and that therefore we may use them or not use them as the commoditie or incommoditie of the Church shall require And therefore as we doe not affirme that the maintenance of the Ministers must onely and necessarily bee levied out of tythes oblations and such like so also wee doe not deny but that the tenth part of the increase of all our goods by the authoritie of the King and his lawes may be alloted for their possession and heritage especially in our countrey the same manner of payment being so ancient and so agreeable to the manners usages and disposition of our state and people Nay since the payment of tythes for service accomplished in the spirituall Sanctuarie is correspendent in the nature thereof to the equitie of the Law of Moses for the Levites attendance about the earthly Tabernacle and since also wee bee bound by the commandement of the Apostle to make him that teacheth us in the word to be partaker of all our goods I see not so Jewish and popish ceremonie and superstition be avoided but that this duetie may as Christianly be performed by the payment of the tenth part of the increase of our corne hay wooll lambe c. as by the eight twelfth twentieth or any other part of our money and coine By payment also of which tithes the Ministers at every season with every kinde of necessarie provision towards hospitalitie might throughly be furnished which many times they shall want by reason of mens backwardnesse when collections of monie are to be made But to speake no more of this matter of tithes we will return to the objection made against the Apostolicall government drawn from taking away impropriations And herein we will not handle whether the lawes whereby impropriations do stand as mens lawfull possession and heritage must as hee saith bee taken away but whether impropriations now divided from the Ministerie and dispersed into many severall mens hands and imployed to many uses in the Common weal may not in tract of time by some wholesome law be reduced either wholly or in part to be the only lawfull possessions and inheritances for the Ministers of the Gospell yea and that without any prejudice or dammage unto Prince or people It is evident in the eyes of all that the Churches now appropried doe stand and remaine as the lawfull possessions and inheritances either of the King or of the Nobles or of the Knights Equires Gentlemen and other temporall persons or of Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons Deanes Prebendaries and other Ecclesiasticall persons or of the Vniversities of the Colledges in the Vniversities of Collegiate and Cathedrall Churches of Schools Hospitals
was common and did continue in the old Churches Besides this inconvenience saith he caused Princes and Bishops so much to intermeddle in this matter Frow whence it necessarily againe followeth that by the holy Scriptures and law of God Princes and Bishops did not entermeddle with that matter atal For had it been simply lawfull for them to have dealt in those causes by the word of God then aswell before schisme discord and dissention as afterward yea rather much more before than afterward For then by their owne right might Princes and Bishops have prevented Bishops nâ—eddle not with election of Pastors by the holy Scriptures all occasion of schism and contention and have so preserved the Church that no tumult or disorder should once have beene raised or begun therein Againe if by the law of God Princes and Bishops had medled in these matters and had not intermedled by humane device then lawfully by their authoritie alone might they have chosen Pastors Elders and Deacons in the old Churches which thing in this place by necessary inference he denieth For schisme saith he caused them to intermeddle So as by his confession they were but intermedlers and entercommoners by reason of schisme and not commoners and medlers by vertue of Gods word And yet now a dayes our reverend Bishops in this case are no more intercommoners with Princes and with the people they ate no more entermedlers as in old times they were but they have now so far incroached upon the prerogatives of the prince and privileges of the people that neither prince nor people have any commons in the election of Pastors Elders and Deacons with them at all Besides if schism and contention among the people Bishops â—n croach upon the â—ighâ— oâ— pâ—â—â—ce and people were the reason why Bishops first entermedled in the choice of Pastours we now having no schisme nor contention about the choice of Pastours by the people and so the cause of ceasing why should not the effect likewise cease But this effect is therefore still to bee continued because otherwise the cause would a new sprout out and spring up againe Nay rather inasmuch as for these many yeares we have had schism discord and dissention because the bishops wholly and altogether have medled in the choise of pastours and have thrust upon the people whatsoever pastours please not the people but pleased themselves and have not suffered the people to meddle no not so much as once to intermeddle in these matters in as much I say as these things be so it seemeth most expedient requisite and necessary for the appeasing and pacifying of this discord and the taking away of this schism to have the manner of election which was in the old Churches restored to the people and this wherein the bishops have intermedled without authoritie from the word to be abolished that so againe the cause of scbism and strife which is now among us ceasing the effect might likewise cease After I had ended this tract in this manner touching this point there came into mine hands a booke intituled The perpetuall government of Christs Church written by Thomas Bilson Warden of Winchester Colledge in the fifteenth chapter of which booke is handled this question viz. to whom the election of Bishops and Presbyters doth rightly belong and whetherby Gods law the people must elect their pastours or no. In which chapter also the matter of schism strife and contention is handled The finall scope and conclusion whereof is as the proposition importeth twofold First concerning Bishops then concerning Pastours The quarrell taken against Bishops doth not so much touch saith hee the office and functions of Bishops as it doth the Princes prerogative When you rather thinke the Prince may not name her Bishops without the consent and election of the people you impugne not us but directly call the Princes fact and her lawes in question As touching this point of the proposition because the people by any law or custome never challenged any right or interest in the choise of the Kings bishops wee have nothing The King only hath power without the people to nominate his Kingly Bb. to meddle or to make about the choise of any of the Kings Bishops Nay we confesse as his highnesse progenitors Kings of England have beene the Soveraigne Donours Founders Lords and Avowes of all the Bishopricks in England without aid of the people that so likewise it is a right and interest invested into his Imperiall crowne that he only his heires and successors without consent of the people ought to have the free nomination appointment collation investiture confirmation of all the Bishops from time to time to be planted in any of those Bishoprickes yea and wee say further that the King alone hath not power onely to nominate collate and confirm but also to translate yea and if it please him to depose all his Kingly Bishops without any consent of his people at all For say we ejus est destruere cujus est construere ejus est tollere cujus est condere Neither will we dislike but rather content our selves that our late Queens Bishops if they shall finde favour in the Kings eyes should be also the Kings Bishops conditionally they submit themselves to the lawes and prerogatives of the Kings Crowne content themselves with the only name of Kingly and Princely Bishops and not challenge any more unto themselves the sole titles of Godly and Christian Bishops as though without injurie to the law of â—od and Gospell of our Saviour Christ they could not bee dispossessed of their Lordly Bishopricks And therefore our most humble prayer to the King is that his Majestie would bee pleased that such his Kingly Bishops may not henceforth over crow and justle out Gods Bishops nor have any primacie over Gods Bishops And withall that the King himselfe would vouchsafe to hearken to the doctrine of such as are indeed Gods Bishops rather than to the Counsell of those who lately were the Queenes bishops As touching the second part viz. whether the people by Gods M. Bilson confirmeth the peoples election of their pastor p. 339. law must elect their Pastours or no Master Bilson by reasons and proofes brought for the first use of it rather confirmeth than impugneth the same For saith hee Well may the peoples interest stand upon the grounds of reason and nature and bee derived from the rules of Christian equitie and societie That each Church and people stand free by Gods law to admit maintaine or obey no maâ— as their Pastour without their liking unlesse by law custome or consent they have restrained themselves Then the people had as much right to choose their 360 Pastour as the Clergie that had more skill to judge that the Apostles left elections indifferent to the people and Clergie at Jerusalem That the Apostles in the Acts when they willed the Church at Jerusalem to choose the seven did not make any remembrance or
of all the Recorders in all other Cities and Boroughs of the land I doubt not but he shall finde them all to have been farre from any least shew of ambitious working the Citizens and townsmen to nominate and elect them Moreover as these noble Persons these sage grave learned and christian Gentlemen quietly and in all peacable maner with upright and good affection and judgement and without ambition have beene chosen by the Citizens Townes-men and Boroughmasters to the office 〈◊〉 â—ecorderships So likewise many and sundry honourable Counsellorâ— have beene and as occasion is Honorable Counselors chosen high stewards without ambitious working ministred are daily elected by Citizens and Townesmen to be their high Stewards Sir Francis Knolles an honourable counsellor and one whose faith was famous among the Churches as well abroad as at home by the election of the citizens of Oxford remained untill he died high Steward of the Citie of Oxford The right honourable Sir Francis Walsingham by the common counsell of Ipswich was made high Steward of the same towne after whose decease the same common counsell by their election surrogated into the same place the right honourable the L. Hunsdon late L. Chamberlain The right honourable S. Christopher Hatton L. Chancelor of England by the townsmen of Cambridge was chosen to be high steward for the town of Camb. The right Ho. the old F. of Arundel and after him the right Ho. E. of Lincoln and after his death the right honourable the L. high Admirall of England now E. of Notingham by the boâ—oughmasters of the town of Gildford was elected to be high steward of the towne of Gildford Of all which honourable persons and of all other their Peeres chosen in other places of the Kingdome by the same meanes to the like offices there is great reason and just cause for the reverend Bishops to carry a more reverend estimation towards them than to burden them as ambitious persons to have sought their places at the hands of men affected and wanting right judgement As for any other offices of credit dignitie charge and government in the common weal now remaining in the choise of the commons it may easily be proved that the common people in sundry places have bent and opposed themselves against ambitious persons who by sinister and indirect meanes have hunted for preferment at their hands And what if it cannot be gain-said but that some publike officers chosen by publike applause of the people have corruptly behaved themselves in their charges and have not so equally and indifferently distributed justice to all degrees as it became them yet this their misdemeanour can no more justly be laid as a fault nor any more disgrace or discountenance the ancient and commendable forme and manner of election than the hypocrisie or counterfeit zeale of an evill man ordained by the bishop to be a Minister can be imputed unto his letters of orders or manner of ordination Besides if none be able Knights of the shires â—â— other officers chosen by the people without trouble to the state to prove that the choise of the Knights of our Shires Coroners of the Counties Verderers of the kings forests resting in the free voices and consents of the freeholders that the nomination of the high Constables being in the disposition of the Justices of peace at their quarter sessions that the choise of our peti-Constables third Boroughs Tythingmen Churchwardens wardens for the highwayes overseers for the poore side men and such like remaining altogether in the free elections of the suitors to courts Leets and lawdayes and of the inhabitants and Parishioners of every Village Hamlet or Tything have beene troublesome to the Lievtenants of the Shires to the Stewards of our Courts to the Lords of our liberties nor to the ordinaries of the Diocesses If I say there be not any one man able to bring forth some few persons for many yeares passed by whome the Officers and Magistrates of the Queens peace have been sued unto and importuned for the pacification of any strife contention or debate of any busie head or ambitious person raised among the people about the choise of any one of these Oficers then I say it is meet and it importeth the Lords Bishops very deeply that for ever hereafter they be silent and never any more utter so Pag. 8. vile a slander against so noble a people as are the people of England viz. that upon affection and want of right judgement they will easily be led by ambitious persons to preferre unworthy persons unâ—o all Offices of gaine or dignitie Or that this Nation of England upon light causes is more enclined to broyle and trouble than any other And to speake the truth as daily experience teacheth us what No feare of trouble about the choice of an ecclesiasticall Officer seare of trouble is there likely any way to ensue by reason of dissention and ambition among the people in the choise of an ecclesiasticall Officer when most of the people shall rather shun and eschew than long or desire to beare any ecclesiasticall office The common people among whom I dwell use oftentimes many delayes yea they procure what favour and friendship they can not to be appointed to any the inferiour Offices before specified And why doe they so but becauâ—e those offices be full of bodily care and trouble And is there then any Christian knowing how the whole soule mind and spirit of a man is altogether to be imployed in the discharge of a spirituall function that will dissentiously and ambitiously seeke to be chosen an Elder The admonitor telleth us that men by experience know that many parishes upon some private respect doe send their letters of earnest pag. 79 commendation for very unfit and unable persons insinuating thereby what an inconvenience might follow if Parishes had the whole direction and order to sound out who were fit and able persons But as this fancie was never yet by any of sound judgement on our behalfe so much as once thought much lesse insisted upon so may it please the reverend Bishops to be advertised that the meanest and simpliest parishioner among a thousand can quickly retort this reason against their Lo. viz. that no parishes by letters of commendation can commend unso any bishop any person as an able and fit man unto any particular parish or speciall charge unlesse the same or some other bishop have formerly ordained him and approved him to bee a fit and able person for every place And how then were it possible if the choice of having one to be their pastor were wholly in the hands of a parish that the same parish could choose any worse men any more ignorant and unlearned men than their Lords have commended unto us For have they not chosen sent and commended such unto us as know not a bee from a batle doore as uneth know to Ministers sent unto the people which know not a be from
practice of the Primitive Church would be a meanes utterly to extinguish that schisme that remaineth yet among us that we have no Christian Ministers no Christian Sacraments no Christian Church in England Besides the Ministers for Letters of Orders Letters of Institution Letters of Inductions for Licences to serve within the Diocesse for Licences to serve in such a cure for Licences to serve two cures in one day for Licences to preach for Licences of resignation for testimonials of subscription for Letters of sequestration for Letters of relaxatâ—on for the Chancellours Registers and Somners dinners for Archidiaconall annuall and for Episcopall trienniall procurations the Ministers I say to be nominated elected ordayned approved confirmed and admitted by the Patron by the Presbytery by the People and by the King should be disburdened from all fees for these things and from all these and such and such like grievances Onely for the Kings writts and for the traveile and paines of His Highnesse Officers taken in and about the execution of the same wrâ—tts some reasonable fees as it shall please the King may be taxed and set downe The people also in soules in bodies and in their goods could not be much comforted relieved and benefited They should not henceforth to the perill of their soules have unlearned unable and undiscreete Ministers thrust upon them and set over them Neither should they bee compelled upon light occasions to take many frivolous oaths in vaine They should not bee summoned from one end of the Diocesse unto the other nor be posted from Court to Court and from visitation to visitation The Church-Wardens and Side-men of every Parish should not upon paine of excommunication be constrained once or twise in the yeare to pay six or eight pence for a sheet of threehalfepeny articles They shall not any longer out of the common treasury reserved for the poore beare the charge of their Parishes for making bills visitation and diverse other expenses There should be no more suits at Law between Clerke and Clerke about the Patrons Title no more suites of double quarrell betweene the Clerke and the Bishop no more debate betweene the Bishop and the Arch-deacon and lastly there should bee no occasion of any riots and unlawfull assemblies to bee made upon entries and possessions by vertue and colour of two presentations two institutions and two inductions into one benefice at one time The Patrons as being Lords and avowers of the Churches might have the custody of the Churches during their vacancies and their ancient right in this behalfe restored All swearing of Canonicall obedience unto the Bishops by the Ministers all 31. Eliz. c. 6. swearing and forswearing of Clerkes for any symoniacall bands promises or agreements betweene them and their Patrons and all robberies and spoyling of the Churches by the Patrons should determine and cease Especially if it might please the King and Parliament to have one clause of a Statute against abuses in election of Schollers and presentation to benefices enlarged For although every corrupt cause and consideration by reward gift profit or benefit to present be inhibited by that act yet notwithstanding by experience in many places we finde that the Patrons for small rents and for many yeeres are in possession some of the mansion houses some of the glebe lands and some of the tythes of such benefices as since the publishing of that act have beene bestowed upon Clerkes which breedeth great suspicion and jealousie in the mindes of men that the Clerke and Patron at the beginning directly or indirectly did conspire to frustrate and delude the intendement of the statute And therefore wee leave it to bee considered by the Kings Majesty and Parliament If any Clerke after confirmation A means to restrain patrons from corruption and possession to any benefice hereafter to bee made and given unto him shall willingly and wittingly suffer the Patron of the same benefice or any other person in his name or to his use directly or indirectly mediatly or immediatly to use occupy or enjoy the mansion house glebe land or other ecclesiasticall commodities or any part thereof belonging to the same Benefice In this case I say we leave it to be considered whether it were not meete and convenient that every such willing and witting sufferance by the Clerke and every such willing and witting possession use or occupation by the Patron should not bee adjudged to bee a just cause to determine the presentation to have beene first made upon corrupt respect and consideration And that therefore the Clerke ipso facto to â—ose the benefice and the Patron ipso facto to forfeite his right of Patronage to the King for the two next turnes following And these being the principall reasons and grounds of our desires wee are humbly to pray the Lords spirituall either to convince them of indignitie insufficiency and incongruitie or else to joyne with us unto the Kings Majestie for the restitution of that manner of Government which they themselves confesse to have beene practised at the beginning by the Apostles and Primitive Church but the Admonitor hath yet moe reasons unanswered against this platforme ADMONITION That every Parish in ENGLAND may have a Learned and discreet Minister howsoever they dreame of perfection no man is able in these dayes to devise how to bring it to passe and especially when by this change of the Clergie the great rewards of Learning shall bee taken away and men thereby discouraged to bring up their Children in the study of good Letters ASSERTION In some part to justifie this opinion I grant that no man is able in these dayes to devise to bring it to passe that every Parish should have a Learned and discreet Minister And why because in these dayes not any one Bishop hath afforded to ordaine one Learned and discreet Minister for five Parishes secondly because where some of the Reverend Fathers have ordained and placed in many Parishes many Learned and discreet Ministers some others of the same Fathers have againe disregarded and displaced those learned and discreet Ministers and in their roomes have placed many unlearned and undiscreet Ministers Now then if these dayes wherein so few learned and discreet Ministers and so many unlearned and undiscreet Ministers be ordained and wherein also so many learned and dâ—screet Ministers are disgraced and so many undiscreet and unlearned Ministers graced If these dayes I say were ended then albeit no perfection whereof never any one of us dreamed could be attained unto and albeit no one man were able to devise how to bring it to passe that every Parish should have a learned Minister Yet neverthelesse all good and holy meanes being used to ayme and to shoot after perfection and all good and holy men laying to their heads and applying their hearts to further this enterprise and service unto God we know that the Lord might call and make and fill with the Spirit of God in wisdome and in understanding and
untill hey shall plainly demonstrate unto us that the same is not Oligarchy For if hereafter they shall revoke their former disgracefull judgements against the discipline by Pastours and Elders containing in it the very nature of true Aristocracie and wiâ—hall instruct â—s better of the true nature of their owne government of the Church by Prelacie they shall find us filyable to their opinion so that it be grounded upon the principles and reasons of truth In the meane season after the fashion of the Admonitors manner of admonishing the people wee most humbly beseech the King and Parliament to be enformed that it is greatly to bee feared if Prelacy bee Oligarchie that the Prelates It is to bee feared least by the example of Prelates Oligarchie be brought in the common-weale will endeavour to transferre that manner of government from the Church unto the Common-Weale And that the Common-Weale shall as miserably be rent and torne with factions and uproares as now the Church is disquieted by schismes and divisions For if onely a few of the richest and welthiest sort shall get an head and beare all the sway in the Common-Weale they shall think by the Principles and reasons of Oligarchie that they have injuâ—y if they have not as much to doe in civill mattes as the Prelates have to doe in the matters of the Church And what hereof may follow as the Admonitor leaveth so doe I also leave it to the judgment of other Only if the way hereof already hath beene troden A caveat against Oligarchie out unto them by some who have not written nor spoken but yet practised the principles and reasons of Oligarchie in the Common-Weale onely then this I say and adde as a Caveat that the danger to come is more heedfully to be prevented For like as in good harmony to make the Musicke perfect is required a moderate and proportionate inequality of voices which if it too much exceed taketh away all the sweet melody so by too much immoderate inequality or disparitie of Citizens the Common-Weale falleth to ruine But why may not the Government of the Church by Prelacie The government of the Church by Prelacy is not Monarchicall be a Princely and a Royall Government Indeed this question if it should bee resolved by the Rules and Principles of the Canon Law I could hardly disprove that government to be Princelike for as hath been said before quilibet Ordinarius in Diocoesi est major quolibet Principe Yea and every Bishop by the same Law hath as absolute a spirituall power within his Diocesse as a King hath a temporall power within his Kingdome But because that Law with the rules and principles thereof is or ought to be discarded out of this Kingdome we will not wade in it Only wee say that the government of the Church by Prelacy cannot bee any kinde of Royall and Monarchiall government because Prelates have not like power spirituall as Kings and Monarchs have power temporall For there was never yet lex regia de Praelatorum spiâ—ituali imperio lata qua Praelatis in eos omne imperium suum potestatem aut Deus aut Institut de jure natur gent ci § Sed quod populus Dei contulerit And therefore where the people have made the fore said regall Law as there it is justly said quodcunque Imperator per Epistolam constituit vel cognoscens decrevit vel edicto praecepit legem esse constat and quod Principi placuit legis habet vigorem So likewise where there is no such regall Law made in the Church there it is justly affirmed quod Praelato placuit legis non habet vigorem quodcunque Praelatus per Epistolam constituit cognoscens decrevit vel canone praecepit legem non esse constat And then how can every Prelate or why doth every Prelate by his sole authoritie injoyne Canons Articles Injunctions and orders to bee observed as Lawes in all the Churches of his jurisdiction If the Admonitor supposed the government of the Church by Prelacy to bee Monarchiall because the Queene was a Monarch and that If the government of the Church by Prelacy be Monarchicall theÌ„ may the government by pastors beâ— so to the Reverend Bishop governed under a Monarch then what did he else but put a weapon into the hands of Pastors and Elders to prove their government also to be Princely and Monarchiall Because Pastors and Elders desire not to have that manner of government to bee brought into the Church otherwise than by the Royall assent Soveraigne authoritie and expresse commandement of Our most Gratious King and Monarch Besides if any government may bee therefore said to be a Monarchy because the same is derived from an earthly Monarch how much more than may the government of the Churches by Pastors and Elders bee adjudged Monarchicall by reason the same is deduced from our heavenly and everlasting Monarch For the Reverend Bishops by their publike M. Horne bishop of Winch. M. â—ewell bishop of Sali M. Bilson bishop of Winch. preachings and apologeticall writings testifie that power and authoritie to ordaine and depose Ministers to excommunicate and to absolve to devise and to establish rites and Ceremonies in the Church to define what is truth to pronounce what is falsehood to determine what is schisme and to condemn what is heresie our Reverend Bishops I say confesse this power to be originally decided unto the true Bishops and Pastors of the Church from the Kingly and Soveraigne power of our Saviour Christ By what name therefore soever the government of Pastours and Elders in the Churches be called there is no manner of cause to dislike of the planting of that government in a Monarchy because the same is instituted by No cause for a Monarch to feare that his Christian subjects should have the sense of Aristocracy in Church government the Monarch of Monarches who is able and ready to uphold the state of all Monarchies in Common-Weales together with the state of Aristocracie in his Church Neither is there any cause for any Monarch in the world to feare the making of Christian common people by familiar expâ—rience to have the sense and feeling of the principles and reasons of Aristocracy For if a people have once submitted their neckes to the yoke of Christ they can live a peaceable â—nd godly life under all kindes of powers because they know all kind of powers to be the ordinance of God But especially there is not neither ever was neither ever can there be any cause for any King or Monarch of England greatly as the Admonitor insinuateth to feare that the common people will very easily transferre the principles and reasons Aristocracie to the government of the Common-Weale and thereupon be induced to thinke that they have injury if they have not as much to doe in civill matters as they have in matters of the Church seeing they also touch their commoditie and benefit
temporally as the other doth spiritually And certes it seemeth that the Admonitor was drawne very dry of reason when hee was faine to plucke this stake from the hedge to make a fire and to kindle the wrath of the Magistrate against the forme of Discipline by Pastors and Elders For whether hee intendeth that the Pastors and Elders will think themselves to have injury if they deale not in all causes of the Common-Weale as well as in all causes of their Churches or whether hee meant that the common people wâ—ll easily transferre the government of the Common-Weale from a Kingly Monarchie to a noble Aristocracie there is neither soothnesse nor soundnesse in his meaning For sithence the Leaâ—ned Ministers against the reverend Pastors disclaime to deale in civill matters Bishops by the holy rules of our faith maintaine that it is not lawfull for a Mâ—nister of the Gospell to exercise civill Magistracy and that it is not lawfull for the man of God to bee intangled with the affaires of this life how is it probable that those Ministers will easily oppugne their owne knowledge by their owne contrary practice Or how is it probablâ— that they would overleade themselves with that burthen to ease the Church whereof they have contentedly exposed themselves into a number of reproches contempts bytings and persecutions As for that other intendment of â—he Admonitors that it is gâ—eatly to bee feared that the common people will easily transferre Monarchy unto Democracie or Aristocracy if the principles and reason thereof by experience were made familiar in their mâ—nds this reason I say might seeme to carry some shew of affrâ—ghting a Monarch if the same were insinuated unto a King whose people were never acquainted with the Principles and reasons of Democracy or Aristocracy but this feare being insinuated unto our late Soveraigne Lady the Queene whose people ever since the time they first began to be a people have had their wits long exercised The people of England have their wits exercised with the sense of Democracy Aristocracy with the sense and feeling of the reasons and principles as well of Democracy as also of Aristocracy what sense had the Admonitor to urge this feare That in the Kingdome of England the common people have already the sense and feeling of the reasons and principles of Democracy cannot be denyed For in every cause almost as well of criminall as civill justice some few only excepted to be executed in the Common-Weale by the common lawes of the Realme have they not some hand and dealing in the same by one meane or other Nay which is more have they not the sense and feeling of the making and unmaking their own laws in Parliament And is not their consultations in Parliament a meere Democritall consultation As much also there is to be avowed for the sense and feeling of the reasons and principles of Aristocracy to be already in the minds of the Peers the Nobles the Iudges and other great men of the Realme For are not the Wisest the Noblest and the chiefest taken out of these by the King to be of his Counsell and to be Iudges and Iusticers in his Courts Yea and is not their Assembly also in Parliaments a meere Aristocraticall assembly And what translation then is there greatly to be feared out of the Church to be made into the Common-Weale when the minds of all sorts of our common wealthes men be already seasoned with the things which hee feareâ—h And when the Common-Weale is already seized of the Principles and reasons which he would not have familiarly knowne unto it Wherefore that the King the Nobles and Commons may no more be feared with the strangenesse of these uncouth and unknown Greeke names of Democracy and Aristocracy written in his booke with great and Capitall Letters I have thought it my duty by these presents to informe them that the government of the Church by Pastors and elders now wanting amongst us and desired to bee brought into the Church by the Soveraigne authority of our King Nobles and Commons in Parliament for the outward forme and manner thereof is none other manner of Government nor forme of policie than such as they and their Progenitors and Ancestors for many hundred yeares together without interruption have used and enjoyed in the Common-Weale And that therefore it will be a very easie matter to transferre the same to the government of the The manner of Policie by Pastors and Elders in the Church is agreeable to the government in the common weale The government of the Church by prelacy disagreeable to the government used in the common weale Church For by the reasons and principles of their owne government in the Common-weale and by the sense and feeling thereof they may well bee induced to thinke that they have injury if they have not as much to doe in matters of the Church as they have to doe in matters of the Common-Weale seeing they touch their commoditie and benefit spiritually as the other doth temporally And withall on the other side I shall doe my best endeavour to advertise them that the government of the Church by Prelacy is such a manner of Government as was never yet in the administration of justice by any subject no not touching the outward forme thereof once admitted into any part of Common-Weale and that therefore the same if it may please the King will very easily bee sent and transmarined unto Rome whence it first came and where it had it originall and birthright And to the end that wee may clearely discerne whether the nature of the Government of the Church by Prelacy or the nature of the Government desired to be planted by Pastors and Elders be more agreeable to the nature of the policy received and used both by the Nobles and common people in the Common-Weale it is necessary that the manners and formes both of Prelaticall and Pastorall Government bee made familiar unto the minde of the Reader And because wee have already declared the manner of the election and confirmation both of a Bishop into his Episcopall See and of a Minister into his Pastorall charge what the one is by the Law already established and what the other by a Law desired to be established ought to be wee will not any more speake of their entrance into either of their places unlesse onely a little to recreate the Reader we meerely note what answer some Bishops have made when as long chasing after Bishoprickes they have chafed in their mindes for feare of losing The answer of an Italian Bishop loth to lose his Bishopricke their prey as was the answer of that Italian Bishop who being thrice demanded of the Archbishop as the manner is vis Episcopari vis Episcopari vis Episcopari and being willed by one standing by thrice againe to answer as the manner is nolo nolo nolo Hee making nâ— bones at the matter answered aloud with an The answer of an
English Bishop having obtained his congedelieâ— oath Proh Deum dedine ego tot millia Florenorum pro volo Episcopari jam debeo dicere nolo or as was the answer of that English Bishop who having promised a Courtier one annuitie of twenty pound during his life out of his Bishopricke if hee could procure the speedy feâ—ling of his congedelier within a while after when it was sealed he rapt out an oath and sware by Jesus God that the same Gentleman had done more for him than an other great Courtier who before hand for that purpose had received from him one thousand markes But whether all Bishops buy their congedeliers dearer or better cheape is not a matter incident to this treatise only if they buy deare they may happily thinke with themselves that they may sell deare vendere jure potest emerat ille prius setteth not any price upon any wares in the Royall Exchange But to return The manner of the administration of spirituall Iustice in the Church by Prelacy to our purpose whence by occasion of those Bishoply oathes and answers we have a little digressed let us see what is the manner and forme of the administration of spirituall justice in the government of the Church by Prelacy as the same is ordinarily administred in all places throughout the Church of England Wherein that wee be not mistaken it is to be understood that the manner of administration of justice whereof we speake is that administration of justice only which respecteth the punishment of crimes Ecclesiasticall to bee inflicted by spirituall censures In all which cases penances suspension and excommunications in the Bishops consistory proceed from the judgement and authority of the Bishop alone if he be present or from the sentence and power of his Vicar generall or Commissary alone and if he be absent Nay doth not every such censure likewise in the Archdeacons consistory procâ—ed from the sole authority of the Archdeacon or if hee bee absent from the sole authority of his officiall But if the like course of the execution of Justice as this is cannot bee found to bee an oâ—dinary course of Justice in the Common-Weale where Justice is administred in criminall causes by the Ministery of a subject I would faine learne what prejudice may bee feared to redound unto the Common Weale if the administration of spirituall Iustice after a sort were established to bee after the same manner in the Church after which civill Iustice is already practised in the Common-Weale I said after a sort to this end least I should bee mistaken For the meaning is not that spirituall Iustice should be ministred exactly in No one subject in the Common Weale can alone exercise civill justice in causes criminall every respect after the manner of civill Iustice but the comparison standeth onely in this that as not any one temporall subject alone hath authority to heare to examine and to judge any one criminall cause in any Court of civill justice in the Common-Weale so likewise that any one spirituall person alone should have authority to be examiner and judge of any one criminall cause in any Court of spirituall Iustice in the Church For if certaine principall and godly persons associated unto a learned and zealous Pastor in the presence and with the consent and authority of the people of every Parish did enjoyne penance suspend or excommunicate a spirituall The administration of spirituall Iustice by pastors and Elders agreeable to the execution of civill justice in the Common-Weale Master D. Bancroft what his assistants Letter able to represse puritans in one parish D. Stanhope alone to represse all in a Diocesse offendor were not this forme of administration of spirituall Iustice more consonant agreeable and conformable to the daily execution of civill Iustice in the Courts of the Common-Weale than is the administration of spirituall Iustice by the Bishop alone or by his Vicar generall alone in his Consistory and to make this matter more familiar in the mind of the Reader for an instance or two let us suppose that Master Doctor Bancroft Parson of S. Andros in Holborne had chosen Master Harsnet to be his Curat and withall that Master Dodge Master Mercury Master Flower and Master Brisket all chiefe attendants on his late great Lord and Master were inhabitants within the same Parish and thâ—t the chiefe men of the same Parish had chosen those to be assistants to him and to his Curat for the inquisition of the demeanours of all the Puritans and Precisians within his Parish let this I say be supposed would not hee and they trow we thinke it a high scorne and an indignitie to be offered unto their Masterships in case it should bee insinuated that Master Doctor Stanhope were better able with one little blast of breath upon a peece of paper to blow away all Puritanisme out of the Citie and Diocesse of London than these great Chapleins and discreet Gentlemen with their thunderings and with their lightnings were able to fright the same out of one poore Parish in HOLBORNE And againe to make this matter yet a little more familiar to the minde of the Reader let us suppose again that thundering Master Merbury now Lecturer in the Church of Saint Mary Overis were Pastor of the same Church and had to be his assistants in the Ministery but simple M. Butterton and that they two for the Elders of the same Church to be chosen by the Parish had such and such and such men lovers of all honesty and godlinesse and enemies unto all dishonesty and ungodlinesse could not these learned and grave Ministers with the assistants of such wise and godly Borough-Masters bee as well able to reforme Papists Atheists Swearers prophaners of the Sabbath drunkerds adulterers and such like within the Borough of Southwarke as is Master Doctor Ridley to bring to any good amendment of life all such kind of persons within the whole Diocesse of Winchester If the examination and judgement of all theeveries pickeries burglaries robberies murders and such like were committed to Master Dâ—ctor Ridley alone for the Diocesse of Winchester and to Master D. Stanhope alone for the Diocesse of London were it not like that for one such malefactor as there is now we should shortly have an hundred And therefore to hold us still to the point in question it is very plaine and evident that this manner of spirituall justice mentioned to be executed by the Pastors and Elders is more correspondent to the administration of civill justice in the Common-Weale than is that manner of the execution of spirituall Iustice by Doctor Stanhope or Doctor Ridley by the Bishop of London or by the Bishop of Winchester For to begin with our meanest and basest Courts let them shew unto us any Court Leete Law-dayes Matters in Leets and Law dayes not overruled by one alone or Sheriffes turnes within any County City Towne Borough Village or Hamblet within the Realme wherein
matters of civill justice are heard examined and adjudged by one man alone If for the common benefit of the Tenants against incrochments over-laying of commons wast nuisances or such like any paine is to bee offered or presentment made the same is not set or made by the Steward Sheriffe or other Officer alone but by the common voyce and consent of all the homagers and sutors to the Court The Steward indeed is the director and moderator of the Court the giver of the charge and the mouth of the whole Assembly to pronounce and enact the whole worke of their meeting but hee is not the onely inquisitor the presenter the informer or the Judge to dispose all things according to his owne discretion Besides matters of the Kings peace are not committed in any Countie or other place within the Realme onely to one Justice of the peace alone For neither at the generall Sessions of the peace nor at any other lesse publike meetings any person for any offence Breaches of the Kings peace not punishable by one alone whereof hee standeth indighted or for which hee is punishable can bee fined amerced or bodily punished at the discretion of one Justice alone but by the greatest part of the Iustices assembled his penaltie is to bee imposed upon him Furthermore this manner of the examination of the fact and declaration of the Law for the tryall of the fact and judgement of the Law doth not reside in the brest of one Iuror or Iudge alone In the Court of the Kings Bench if a Prisoner hee brought to the Barre Iustice in any of the B. Courts is not executed by one Iudge alone and confesse not the Crime by the Iustice of that Court hee can receive no judgement unlesse hee bee first indicted by inquisition of twelve grand Iurors at the least and afterward againe bee tryed by other twelve brought judically into the Court face to face Yea and in this Court neither the interpretation of the common Law nor the exposition of any statute dependeth upon the opinion credit or authority of one Iudge or not of the Kings chiefe justice himselfe alone for his other three brethren and Co-juges varying from him in point of law may lawfully over-rule the Court. The same manner of Judgement for the Law is in use and is practized by the Judges in the Court of common Pleas and by the Barons of the Exchequer in the Latin Court of the Exchequer And not In the Courts of Equitie are many assistants Court of requests only in these Courts of law and Justice but also in all the Kings Courts of equitie and conscience it is not to be seene that any one person alone hath any absolute power without assistants finally to orâ—er judge and decree any cause appertaining to the jurisdiction of those Courts In the Court of Requests there are not fewer than two yea some times three or foure with Master of Requests in commission to heare and determine matters of equitie in Court of Wards that Court. In the Court of Wards and liveries there sitteth not only the Master of the Wardes but also the Kings Attourney the Receiver and other Officers of the same Court. In the Court of Court of the Chequer Chamber the Exchequer-chamâ—er with the Lord Treasurer who is chief and president of that Councell yet with him as assistants doe sit the â—hancellour of the Exchâ—quer the Lord Chiefe Baron High courts of Chancerie and the other Barons Whatsoever dâ—cree finall is made in the Kings high Court of Chancerâ—e the same is decreed not by the Lord Chancellour alone But by the Lord Chancellour and the high Court of Chancerie wherein the Master of the Roles and the twelve Masters of the Chancerie as coadjutors doe sit and give assistance In the most honourable Court of Starre-Chamber the Lord Chancellour the Lord Treasurer and the president of the Court of Star-chamber 3 H 7 c. 1 2 H 8 c 20 Kings most honourable Councel and Keeper of the Kings privie Seale or two of them calling unto them one Bishop and one temporall Lord of the Kings most honourable Councell the two chiefe Justices of the Kings bench and Common pleas for the time being or other two of the Kings Justices in their absence have full power and authoritie to punish after their demerits all misdoers being found culpable before them If we search our statutes besides the Courts and matters determinable in these spoken of before we shall finde that the complaints of errour whether it tâ—uch the King or any other person made in the Exchequer should bee 31 E 3 c 21 done to come before the Chancellour and Treasurer who taking to them two Justices and other sage persons are duely to examine the businesse and iâ— any errour be found to correct and amend the 14 E 3 c 5 Roles c. By reason of delayes of judgements used in the Chancerie in the Kings bench common bench and in the Exchequer it was assented established and accorded that a Prelate two Earles and two Barons chosen by the Parliament by good advice of the Chancellour c. shall proceed to take a good accord and to make 10 K. 2 c. 1 a good judgement When it was complained unto the King that the profits c. of his Realme by some great Officers c were much withdrawne and eloyned c. it pleased the King c. to commit the surveying aswell of the estate of his house c. unto the honourable Fathers in God William Archbishop of Canterburie 26 H. 6 b 11 H. 7 c. 25. c 19 H. 7 c. 7. and Alexander Archbishop of Yorke c. by a statute of commission for Sowers by a statute for punishment of perjurie by a statute against making or executing of acts or ordinances by any c Masters being not examined c. by the Lord Chancellour d 27 H 3 c. 27 c 32 H. c. 45. f 27 E c. 8 Treasurer or chiefe Justices c. By a statute for the erection of the Court of d Augmentation by a statute for erection of the Court of first e fruits and tenths and lastly by an f act for redresse of erroneous judgements in the Court commonly called the Kings bench By all these Statutes I say it is very apparant that the Administration of publike affaires in the common weale hath never beene usually committed to the advisement discretion or definitive sentence of any one man alone Which point is yet more fully and more perfectly Lord president and councell in Wales Lord president and councell in the North parts Lord Deputie councell in Ireland The King his honourable privie Councell The King and his grand councell in Parliament to be understood by the establishment and continuance of the Kings Lord President and Councell of Wales of the Kings Lord President and Councell established for the North of the Kings L. Deputie and Councel within
the Realm of Ireland of the K. highnesse most honourable privie Councell chosen by him for the assistance of his Royal person in matters appertaining to his Kingly estate and lastly of the supreme and grand Councell of the three estates in Parliament for matters concerning the Church the King and the common weale For whether respect be had unto the secret affaires of the Kings estate consulted upon in his Highnesse Councell Chamber by his privie Councellers or whether we regard the publike tractation of matters in Parliament there can be no man so simple as not to know both these privie and open negotiations to be carried by most voices of those persons who by the K. are called to those honourable assemblies And what a vaine jangling then doth the Admonitor keepe and how idely and wranglingly doth he dispute when against the government of the Church by Pastours and Elders hee objecteth that the same will interrupt the lawes of the Realme that it will bee great occasion of partiall and affectionate dealing that some will incline to one part and that the residue will be wrought to favour the other and that thereby it will be a matter of strife discord schisme and heresies Howbeit if never any of these extremities and dangers have fallen out in the common weale by any partiall ot affectionate dealing of the Kings Deputies Presidents Judges Justicers and other Officers and Ministers associated unto them for the administration of Justice or equitie in any of the Kings civill Courts how much lesse cause have we to feare any partialitie affection working inclination favour strife debate schismaticall or hereticall opinions if once Pastours and Elders in every Congregation and not throughout a Diocesse one Bishop alone had the spirituall administration of the Church cause Can many temporall Officers Justicers and Judges rightly and indifferently administer the Law and execute jâ—stice and judgement without that that some doe incline to one part and without that the residue be wrought to favour the other part And cannot spirituall Officers dispatch spirituall affaires without that that they be partially and affectionally disposed What is it so easie a matter that the Ancients of God and the Ministers of Christ can the one part incline to righteousnesse and the residue be wrought to favour wickednesse can some incline to God and unto Christ and can other some be wrought to follow Satan and Antichrist For what other controversie is requâ—red to be decided by Pastours and Elders than the controversie of sin between the soule of man and his God And is there any Christian Pastour or Elder that will be wrought rather to favour the sinne of a mortall man than the glory of his immortall God But to leave the state of the kingdome and common weale and the good usages and customes of the same let us come to the state of the Church it selfe and to the lawfull government thereof established even amongst us at this The government of the Church ought not to be by one alone day For whatsoever our Reverend Bishops practise to the contrary yet-touching ordination and deposition of Ministers touching excommunication and absolution touching the order and rule of Colleges Cathedral Churches and the Vniversities the Ecclesiastical law doth not commit the administration of these things and regiment of these places to any one person alone The Vniversities admit not the government of the Chancellour being present nor of his Vicechancellour The government in the Vniversities not by one alone The government in Colledges not by one alone himselfe being absent as of one alone the Doctors Procurators Regents and non-Regents have all voices and by most oâ— their voices the Vniversitie causes take successe The businesses of Colledges by the statutes of their founders are commended to the industrie and fidelitie of the President Viceprovost and Fellowes unto the Provost and Viceprovost and Fellowes unto the Warden Sub-warden and fellowes unto the Master and fellowes and unto such like Officers and fellowes The Cathedrall The government of Cathedrall Churches not by one alone Churches their livings and their lands their revenues and their dividents their Chapiters and their coâ—ferences depend upon the will and disposition of the Deane and Chapiter and not of the Bishop alone Neither can the Bishop alone by any ancient canon law pretended to be in force place or displace excommunicate or absolve any Ecclesiasticall person without the judgement of the Chapiter Ex de exces Prela c. 2. Exc. de hiis quaes cons cap c novit And aswell by a statute 21. H. 8. c. 13. as also by the booke of consecrating Archbishops c. the presence of divers Ministers and the people is required at the ordiâ—ation of every Minister As for the deposition or degradation of Ministers under the correction of the reverend Whether the degradation of a Minister be warrantable Monsieur de â— Iesis 164. in the 2 book of the Masse Bb. be it spoken I think they have not so much as any colour of any law for it The form of the degradation of a popish and sacrificing Priest by the Canon law can be no pretext to degrade a Minister of the Gospell because a Minister of the Gospell is not set into his charge per calicem patinam with a cup full of wine and dish full of hostes neither receiveth hee any character at all of a shaveling priest And because a Minister of the Gospell is ordained only after that manner which the statute law hath appointed how should the ordination made by so high an authoritie be undone by any other power unto the former manners of the administration of the causes of the Vniversities Colledges and Cathedrall Churches may be added the execution of Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction committed The ecclesiasticall Commission exercised by many commissioners and not by one heretofore by the Queen unto the Ecclesiastical Commissioners For althought by the words of the statute her Highnesse had full power and authoritie by her letters patents to assign name and authorize any one person a naturall borne subject to execute spiâ—ituall jurisdiction yet neverthelesse according to the laudable usages and customes of her Kingdome and courts temporall she evermore authorised not one alone but divers and sundry aswell temporall as Ecclesiasticall persons for the execution thereof Which manner of The ecclesiasticall commission commanded by the Bishops if it please the King may be enlarged unto all parishes wherin are godly preaching Ministers commission because the reverend Bb. commend the same and avow that it would do more good if it were more common it cannot but seem to be a most gratefull thing unto all good men especially unto those reverend Fathers if humbly wee beseech the king that his highnesse would be pleased to make it more common And therfore in the behalfe aswell of the reverend Bb. as of all the learned and grave Doctors and Pastours of every Church we most instantly
they joyntly should not execute the discipline of Christ viz. excommunication and other censures of the Church in every parish within his kingdome If it bee answered that in this case the Presbyter alone doth excommunicate is it not as if one should say that the executioner doth give judgement when at the commandement of the Judge he smiteth off the head or casteth downe the ladder or may not as much be said for the execution whereof we speak that the Pastor only should excommunicate when by vertue of his office with the consent and not by the prescript of the elders associated unto him he should declare and pronounce the partie to be excommunicated but let it be granted that Rowland Allen denounceth the lesson which is written in the paper for him to read yet it is cleare by the precept that the same must bee done by the prescript of Doctor Hone Besides Doctor Hone he citeth he precognizateth the parties and they being absent hee pronounceth them contumaciter absentes and in poenam contumaciarum suarum hujusmodi decreeth them to bee excommunicate and are not all these necessarie parts incident to the execution of discipline by excommunication And how then can the Minister bee said to excommunicate alone when Doctor Hone of necessitie must play three parts of the foure without all or without any one of which parts the excommunication by reason of a nullitie is meerely voide Againe the Act being done as it were uno puncto ac uno halitu and Rowland Allen and Doctor Hone having their commission from the Archdeacon in solidum how can their judgement be divided Furthermore to say that Rowland Allen doth excommunicate by the authoritie of Doctor Hone were to overthrow the intendment of the article Because by the scope of the article it is plaine that the presbyter to be associated to the officiall must only derive his authoritie from one who hath taken Ecclesiasticall orders But those orders Doctor Hone never tooke otherwise Rowland Allens presence had been unnecessarie and superfluous And therefore if the excommunication bee of any validitie then is discipline by excommunication in the Church of England exercised partly by our lay-Elder as they call him and partly by one Ecclesiasticall Elder wherein againe it is worthy the observation for the matter we have in hand that D. Hone a meere lay and temporall man hath authoritie from the Archdeacon to call and associate unto him and to prescribe R. Allen a Presbyter and an other mans hireling Curate in Southwarke to excommunicate not only the Parochians of an other Pastors charge but any other Pastour whatsoever subject to the Archdeacons jurisdiction And hath not the Kings highnesse then as good right as great a priviledge and as high a Prerogative to command Master Doctor Andros or Master Doctor King and lay Elders by a lawfull election to be associated unto either of them to excommunicate either of their owne parishioners for publike drunkennesse or other notorious sinnes committed in their owne parish For if it be lawfull at the voice of a lay stranger that an hireling and stipendarie Curate should chase an other mans sheep out of his owne fold how much more is it it lawfull that a true shepheaâ—d should disciplinate his owne sheepe feeding and couchant within his own pasture and within his owne fold Furthermore touching the admittance of governing Elders or lay Elders as they call them unto the Minister of every congregation according to the former pattern of one lay Elder that the same is not a matter so strange for lay men to bee joyned in this charge Lay men appointed by the Queenes injunctions to execute some part of discipline of ecclesiasticall government as the opposites beare us in hand to bee it shall not be amisse to call unto their remembrances one of our late Soveraigne the Queenes injunctions whereby certaine lay persons called overseers were commanded to be chosen by the ordinaries in every parish for the better retaining of the people in obedience unto divine service In every parish saith the Injunction three or foure discreet men which tender Gods glory and his true religion shall bee appointed by the Ordinaries diligently to see that all the parishioners duely resort unto their Church upon all Sundayes and holydayes and there to continue the whole time of the Godly Service And all such as shall be negligent in resorting to the Church having no great or urgent cause of absence they shall straightly call upon them and after due admonition if they amend not they shall denounce them to the Ordinarie Thus farre the injunction Which that it is not meant of the Church wardens appeareth by the very next article for unto them as is assigned an other name so also another office That sidemen also are not these kinde of overseers is plaine in that they be neither so many in number as are here required neither chosen by the Ordinaries neither yet doe they admonish and denounce according to this article Wherefore because it is meet that the effect of this injunction being religious should be put in due execution it seemeth a thing very reasonable and much tending to the honour of the King that his Highnesse under his letters patents would bee pleased to appoint three foure or more discreet and faithfull persons in every Parish not only to performe the effect of this article but also generally to oversee the life and manners of the people that without great and urgent causes they resort not unto Typling-houses or houses of evill note and suspected fame and that upon the Sabbaths they use no heathenish dancing about their disguised May-poles And after due admonition if they amend not to denounce them to the Pastor of the place For then might the Pastor Book of the form of ordeining Priests be encouraged to give his faithfull diligence as at the time of his ordination he solemnly promiseth unto the Bishop alwaies to Minister the Doctrine and Sacraments and Discipline of Christ as the Lord hath commanded by which words inserted it the booke there is a plaine and open confession made by all estates in Parliament that Christ hath not only established discipline but a certaine forme of discipline in his Church and that the pastour to whom Every Minister ought to minister the discipline of Christ in his owne cure by consent of Parliament the care and charge is committed to teach the people ought to minister the same discipline For it had beene a very absurd part for the Parliament to appoint the Bishop to receive a promise from the Ministers to minister the discipline of Christ if Christ had not instituted a discipline or that the same discipline which he instituted had not in their judgements belonged unto the Minister And therefore this very letter of the booke convinceth the whole answer made unto the abstract touching this point to be very erroneous frivolous and impertinent to the point in question For
a battle doors read English and as know not the Lords prayer from the articles of faith Of which sort of Ministers the Parson of Haskam now living a Chaplaine in Winton-diocesse may be produced for a witnesse omni exceptione major For thus much is to be proved from the report of a good and religious Knight dwelling within that diocesse that upon a time in the presence and at the instant request of the said Knight when a Protestant bishop of the same diocesse deceased had demanded of the new Parson of Haskam which was the first Petition of the Lords prayer the said Parson after hee had a prety space paused The parson of Haskams answer to the Bishop of Winchester and gased towards heaven at length made this answer viz. I believe in God the Father Almighty at which answer the Knight merily smileing I told you my Lord quoth the Knight what a profound Clerke your Lordship should finde this fellow Well how unclerkely and how unprofoundly soever this Clerke then answered and albeit at that present he could not obtaine the institution which he came for to that benefice for the good Bishop hated such grosse ignorance yet this Clerke afterwards by the corruption of the sâ—me Bishops Chancellour was instituted into the same benefice and to this day possesseth it quietly though he can hardly read English to the understanding of his people I could have enformed him also of many other such Clerks resiant and beneficed in that Diocesse and namely of the Vicar of W. who upon an holy day instead of preaching the word which he could not or in reading of Homilies Fables read in the Church which he would not to terrifie his Parishioners with the judgements of God and to move them unto repentance solemnly read and published a counterfeit fable out of a little Pamphlet intitulâ—d Strange newes out of Calabria pretended to bee prognosticated by M. Iohn Doleta Of these and of a number of such able and skilfull Clerks and Chaplains my Lords of the Clergie may be enformed â—f the people had choise of their pastors they would provide better than the bishops send them And therefore on the behoof and in the defence of the common people of England I am to testifie and to protest unto their Lordships that by the mercifulnesse and goodnesse of our God we are not yet become so ignorant rude and barbarous as that we would admit such manner of Clerkes and Chaplaines to have the cure of our soules in case it laid in our power to choose and refuse our owne Pastours No no our soules and the soules of our wives children and families should be more dear and more precious in our eyes than that carelesly we would hazzard all our birthrights upon the skill and abilitie of such a messe of hirelings and idoll shepheards And surely me thinkes it standeth greatly with the charitie of our Lord Bishops to conceive Though the common people bee not able to discerne of pastors yet the Nobles are able the Commons to have so much naturall understanding as not to choose a cobler when they want a carpenter nor to retaine a loyterer in lieu of a labourer nor to hire a sleeper in stead of a watchman But alas be it that the poore Commons of England were thus wretched and thus bewitched yea be it that they were thus desperate and besides themselves should therefore the Nobles and Peeres of the Realm be as prophane as impious and as heathenish as they Are the great men also unworthy unable and unfit to discerne between night and day betweene light and darknesse Can they also put no difference betweene good and evill betweene a blind guide and him that hath his eye-sight or have they no better stomach than to cast up Mithridate and to digest hemlocke will they also chuse them Captaines from among Corvisers and will they call shepheards from among swineheards or will they take them pastours from among pedlers or will my Lords of the clergie charge them to bee those ambitious persons to work the Commons for their private respect to the choise of unworthy men or will they being themselvs under his Majestie the worthies of the land and chiefe guides and leaders of men in peace and in war upon earth chuse the scumm the refuse and the baggage of the land to guide their owne soules to hell For to heaven by the labour and industrie of such idoll ministers as whose lips preserve no knowledge they can never bee brought A great part of the common people saith hee are backwardly affected towards the truth of Religion from which backwardnesse The common people accused to bee backwardly affected to religion he draweth an argument against the allowance of the pastors by the people But alas is there any marvail that the common people for the most part be backwardly affected For how is it possible that they should step one foot forward when either their guides stand still or goe not at all or at least run fromward or can The backwardnesse of the people proceedeth from the backwardnesse of their guides the common people become good schollers in the schoole of Christ and learne to know the truth of his religion when their Masters and Tutors whom my Lords of the Clergie have begotten provided and thrust upon them be unlearned and irreligious dullards What Can truth spring from errour or can light arise out of darknesse Doe men pluck or pull corne from a dead stalke or a full eare from a dead root Can a Vintener draw wine out of an emptie Casque or doth a Baker poure meale out of a bottomlesse bag If then the common people be foolish and ignorant if they doe erre and bee irreligious they may justly challenge the Lords spirituall of unkindnesse and want of love not because they have sent Embassadors unto them as the Gibeonites sent unto Iosua with old sackes and old bottels with old shooes and old rayment with provision of bread dried and mouled but because they have sent them such ambassadors as have had no sackes no bottels no shooes no raiment yea and no manner of bread at all All which notwithstanding the Admonitor by the backwardnesse of the people laboureth mightily to acquit the Lord Bishops laying to the peoples charge that this fault hath not happened for want of teaching by the Ministers but for want or profiting by the people The Scripture saith he in no place teacheth us that the offences and faultes of the Ministers are alwayes the only cauâ—e why the word of God doth not take place in mens hearts It is commonly and almost always imputed to the way wardnesse unthankfulnesse and obstinacie of the people that heare it But alas who ever fancied that the faults of the Ministers of God were the only cause why the word of God preached by them did not enter into the hearts of men Where the Minister sincerely preacheth the word of God if there the
people doe not worthily embrace the same the people are only in blame and not the Minister no though hee may have many faults for when they teach the truth the people are bound to doe as they Mat. 2â— 2 3 say and not to doe as they doe because they say and doe not But the complaint that hath beene and is still made is this namely that the people generally in most places of the land and for the most part have no seed at all sowen for want of husbandmen that the people cannot be harvested for lacke of labourers that the people could bring forth no fruit because they were not ered and plowed and that the people could not heare What for want of their owne eares no but for want of the Priests lips which should have preserved and taught knowledge and therefore this general backwardnes and unfruitfulnesse of the people in religion must still light upon such as have beene the occasion that there have beene so few drivers to haite them on and to whistle them forward No why this Realme of England as saith the Admonitor never had so many learned men nor of so excellent gifts in delivering the word of God it Pag. 140. is the greatest ornament that ever this Church had for my part saith he surely I doe reverence and marvaile at the singular gifts of God that I see in many And doe my Lords of the clergie marvaile in deed of so great a number of excellent men and of so singular gifts in them And should not then also the people marvaile beyond marraile Men of excellent giâ—ts and men of no gifts are unequally matched in the ministery of the Gospell that some of the Lords spirituall for small matters and of so little importance should put to silence many of the chiefest of many excellent and learned men Nay may not the people be astonished at the little love of some of the Bishops when as upon displeasure conceived against many excellent and learned men their Lordships suffer the people to starve and famish for want of food rather than those learned and excellent men should breake unto them the bread of life But bee it granted that many excellent mens mouthes bee not yet stopped or if they have beene stopped they are now opened againe what is this to that that they have no moe learned men or that they have any hirelings at all For to what use serveth an hireling but first to rob to spoile and to kill and afterwards to trust to his heeles to trudge and to run away As for that that many learned The use of an hireling The number of excellent Ministers in the ministerie is small in comparison of unlearned Ministers and excellent men in many places of the land doe still feed the people they may bee said in respect of the people unfed to bee an handfull to an house-full or as an inch to an ell Besides how are the people fed in many places by some of these many learned men is not one of them allotted by a licence in a box to breake bread unto twenty or forty thousand people What by them selves in one place sitting round and close together Nay but in a thousand and moe Parishes distant farre and wide asunder and that at sundry times one time long after another and what a strange and new kinde of feeding call you that Is it not as if a victualler should provide one meales meate for a company at London and an other meals meat for a company at Lincolne and an other meals meat for a company at Exceter and an other meals meat for a company at Bristoll to feede his The maner of dyet set before the people by such Ministers as wander from place to place guests untill he had ridden from coast to coast to provide new viand And yet this is the common manner of Diet and the common maner of food prepared and set before the soules of the people For many of these learned Preachers gallop from place to place and trot from parish to parish and give unto the people at one time bread half baked at another time beer half brewed sometimes either meat twice sodden or halfe raw and many times drinke both dead sower and wallowish And how then is it possible that the soules of the people should prosper wax strong and bee plyable in going forward in the truth of religion they being so thinly dicted and entertained with so small cost But let these gallopers passe wee will conclude this point and thus wee say that the backwardnesse of the people in the truth of religion how backward soever they bee and howsoever the same backwardnesse may happen can bee no good plea in barre to take from the people of God their right interest and freedom from the allowance and approbation of their pastour As for that vaine and ridiculous gibe whether all hand over head men and boys women and girls young and old c. should give their consents to this fond gibe I answer that there is no such vanitie of vanities intended Answer to the abstract For when we say that the people of every parish ought to choose and elect their pastour wee meane not that the election should solely bee committed to the multitude but wee intend onely that the chiefe Fathers Ancients and Governours of the parish in the name of the whole should approve the choice made by the holy Ministerie wherein we follow the example of the ancient people of God whose affaires were committed to the chiefe Fathers sitting in the gate Where the Admonitor hath pretended that it is impossible to bee Pag. 80. brought to passe which as he saith is most of ali pretended for the The people may know a man to be a fit Minister though he bee not brought up among them common manner of election that the people may know their Minister and thereby have the better liking of him unlesse every parish shall have within it selfe a Schoole or Colledge where those should be brought up that shall be preferred to the Ministerie amongst them this I say is another vanitie of vanities and a vexation of spirit without all meane or measure yea it is an asseveration void of all sense and sobernesse For is it not possible for a Lord Bishop to know the equities condition and behaviour of a man fit to be retained for his Secretarie or Gentleman-usher unlesse the same party be brought up in some Schoole or Colledge within his own house Or is it impossible for his Lordship to know the education life learning gifts of utterance and aptnesse to teach of a man and so to have the better liking of him to make him a Minister unlesse within his Parish there be a School or Colledge wherin such as are to be preferred to the Ministery be brought up If then without having any school or colledg within his own house or within his own parish for the