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A44754 Some sober inspections made into carriage and consults of the late Long-Parliament whereby occasion is taken to speak of parliaments in former times, and of Magna Charta, with some reflexes upon government in general.; Som sober inspections made into the cariage and consults of the late Long Parlement Howell, James, 1594?-1666. 1656 (1656) Wing H3117; ESTC R2660 73,993 193

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Now for further proof that the legislative power is in the King or Supr●am Magistrate it is to be observed that as Sir Edward Cook saith All Acts of Parliament in former times were in form of Petitions how if the Petitions were from Parliament and the answer from the King 't is easie to judge who makes the Acts Moreover Sir John Gla●vil affirms that in former times the way of Petitioning the King was this The Lords and Speaker either by words or writing preferr'd their Petition to the King which was afterwards called a bill which Petition being receiv'd by the King he received part and part he put out and part he ratified and as it came from him it was drawn to a law Furthermore it appears that Ordimances Provisions and Proclamations made heretofore out of Parliament have been alwayes acknowledged for Laws and Statutes The Statute call'd the Statute of Ireland dated at Westminster 9. Feb. 14. Hen. the third was nothing else but a Letter of the Kings 〈◊〉 Gerard son of Maurice Justicer of Ireland 'T is hard to distinguish among the old Statutes what Laws were made by Kings in Parliament what out of Parliament when Kings called the Peers only to Parliament and of those as many and whom they pleased it was no easie matter to put a difference 'twixt a Proclamation and a Statute or 'twixt the Kings Privy Counsel and his Common Counsel of the Kingdom In the Statute of Westminster 't is said These are the Acts of King Edward the first made at his first Parliament by his Council c. The Statute of Burnel hath these words the King for himselfe and by his Councel hath ordained and established When Magna Charta was confirmed there are found these two provisions in articules super chartas First nevertheless the King and his Council do not intend by reason of this Statute to diminish the Regal right The second notwithstanding all these things before mentioned or any part of them both the King and his Council and all they who are present will and intend that the right and Prerogative of his Crown shall be saved to him in all things The Statute of Escheators hath this title At the Parliament of our Soveraign Lord the King by his Council it was agreed and also by the King himself commanded The Statute made at York 9 Edward the third goeth thus The King by the advice of his Council hath ordained Now touching the Kings Council I mean his Privy Council it hath been alwayes of great authority and extreamly useful in the publick government of the Common-wealth and all Kings have acted most by it King Edward the first finding that Bogo de Clare was discharged of an accusation brought against him in Parliament yet he commanded him nevertheless to appear before him his Privy Council ad faciendū recipiendū quod per Regem ejus Concilium faciendum and so proceeded to a re-examination of the whole business Edward the third in the Star-chamber which was the ancient Councel Table of the Kings upon the complaint of Elizabeth Audley commanded James Audley to appear before him and his Councel where a controversie was determin'd between them touching land contained in her joynture Henry the fifth in a sute before him and his Councel for the titles of the Mannors of Serre and Saint Laurence in the I le of Thanet in Kent sent order for the profits to be sequestred till the right were tryed Henry the sixt commanded the Justices of the Bench to stay the arraignment of one Varney in London till they had commandement from Him and his Councel Edward the fourth and his Privy Councel heard and determined the cause of the Master and poor brethren of St. Leonards in York complaining that Sir Hugh Hastings and others withdrew from them a great ●art of their living which consisted chiefly upon the having of a thrave of corn upon every plowland within the Counties of York Cumberland c. Henry the seventh and his Privy Councel commanded that Margery and Florence Becket should su● no further in the cause against Alice Radley widow for lands in Woolwich and Plumstead in Kent In Henry the thirds time an order or provision was made by the Kings Council and it was pleaded at the common Law in ba● to a Writ of dower We find also that it hath been very usual for the Judges before they would resolve or give judgements in some cases to consu●● with the Kings Privy Council In the case of Adam Brabson who was assaulted in the presence of the Justices of Assise at Westminster the Judges would not proceed without the advice of the Kings Privy Council Green and Thorp were sent by the Judges to the Kings Privy Council to demand of them whether by the Statute of Edward the third a word may be amended in a Writ In the 39. of Edward the third in the case of Sir Thomas Ogthred who brought a formedon against a poor man and his wife the Judges said Sue to the Kings Council and as they will have us to do we will do and no otherwise Thus we find that the Court-Council did guide and check the Judges oftentimes yet the Judges have guided the great Common Council or high court of Parliament Polyander I find that you have studied the point of King and Parliament to very good purpose by these choice instances you have produced but I find that though the Parliament hath been held the Great Councel of the Kingdom yet the ordinary way of government was by the King or Soveraign Magistrate and his Councel of State for the great Councel without disparagement may be called the production of the Privy Councel witnesse the words of the Writ of Summons But since you have proceeded so far I desire to know whether by an implicit faith we are to obey what the Parliament determines or whether it may err or no and what are those priviledges it hath Philanglus I shall do my indeavour to satisfie you in all touching the first no doubt but we are to acquiesce in what a true Parliament ordains for it is generally binding and requires an universal obedience because it bears the stamp of Royal Authority and of the Supream Magistrate who is the head of the Parliament who is to consult with his Judges and Privy Council must be satisfied in conscience of the justnesse of such bils that he is to passe for Laws because afterward he is to protect them and his soul lyes by oth at the stake for the defence and Safeguard of them he is also to consult with his learned and Privy Councel whether they trench upon his Royal Prerogative and then his answer is you know it le Roy s' avisera the King will consider of it which though in civil terms is equivolent to a flat denyal Touching the second point Sir Edward Coke tels us that Parlements have been utterly deceived and that in cases of greatest moment specially in
all the marks of Majesty nay they did arrogate to themselves the Legislative and Supreme power Polyander But doth not the Supreme Power reside ●n the English Parlement which is an Epi●ome and Representative of the whole Nation Philanglus I will not resolve you in that till I acquaint you with the Pedigree primitive institution of Parlement which I will endeavour to do as succinctly as I can but in regard that our Parlement was erected at first in imitation of the Assembly of the three Estates in France in which Government you are so well vers'd I pray do me the favour as give me a touch of the mode of France in those publick Assemblies and then I shall apply my self to satisfie you touching English Irish and Scots Parlements having in some measure studied the case Polyander In France the Kings Writ goeth to the Bayliffs Seneschals or Stewards of liberties who issue out warrants to all such ashave fees and lands within their Liberties as also to all Towns requiring all such as have any complaints to meet in the principal City there to choose Delegats in the name of the Province to be present at the generall Assembly Being met at the principal City of the Bayliwick the Kings Writ is read and so the Delegates are elected and sworn Then they consult what is to be complained of and fit to be proposed to the King whereof there is an Index or Catalogue made which is delivered to the Delegats to carry to the General Assembly All the Bayliwicks are divided to twelve Classes but to avoid confusion and to the end there may not be too great a delay in the Assembly by gathering of the voyces or suffrages every Classis compiles a brief or Book of the grievances and demands of all the Bayliwicks within that Classis then these Classes at the Assembly compose one general Book of the grievances and demands of the whole Kingdome This being the order of the proceeding of the Comminalty or third Estate the like order is observed by the Clergy and Nobility so when the three books or Cahiers as they call them for the three Estates are perfected then they present them to the King by their Presidents in the open great Assemby The first who presents the Cahiers is the President of the Clergy who begins his Harang or Oration on his knees but at the Kings command he stands up and ●o proceeds bareheaded The President ●or the Nobility speaks next in the like manner But the President for the Commons begins and ends his Oration on his knees whilst the President of the Clergy speaks the rest of that order rise up stand bare till they are bid by the King to sit down and be covered and so the like for the Nobility but whilst the President for the Comminalty speaks the rest are neither bid to fit or to be covered The grievances and demands being thus all delivered at once and left to the King and his Privy Councel without further debate or expence of time the General Assembly of the three Estates endeth expecting afterwards such a redresse to their grievances as the King and his Councel shall think fit Philanglus These proceedings of France are not much unlike the ancient usage of this Kingdome for many ages when all Laws were nothing else but the Kings answers to the Petitions presented to him and his Councel as is apparent by many old Statutes and the confession of Sir Edwar● Coke and now to acquit my self of my former engagement unto you I will impart unto you the manner and power o● the Parlements of Great Brittain and Ireland I confesse 't is more properly the businesse of a Lawyer which I am none otherwise then what nature hath mad● me so every man is a Lawyer and 〈◊〉 Logitian also who was the first Lawyer as he is born the child of reason fo● Law and Logic are meerly founded upon reason This discoursive faculty of Reason comes with us into the world accompanied with certain general notions and natural principles to distinguish right from wrong and falshood from truth But before I come to the English Parlement a word or two of the Parlement● of Scotland and Ireland In Scotland about three weeks before the Parlement begins Proclamation is made throughout the Kingdome to deliver unto the Kings Clerk or Master of the Rols all bils to be exhibited that Sessions then are they brought to the King and perused by him and only such as he allows are put in the Chancelors hand to be proponed in Parliament and no others and if any man in Parlement speak of any other matter then is formerly allowed by the King the Chancelor tels him there is no such bill allowed by the King When they have passed them for laws they are presented to the King who with the Scepter put into his hand by the Chancelor ratifies them but if there be any thing the King mislikes they raze it out before The Parlement in Ireland is after this manner No Parlement is to be held but at such a season as the Kings Deputy there doth certifie the King under the Great Seal of the land of the causes considerations and necessity of a Parlement The causes being approved of by the King a Licence is sent under the broad Seal of England to summon a Parlement in Ireland provided that all such bils that shall be proposed there in Parlement be first transmitted hither under the Great Seal of that Kingdome and having received allowance and approbation here they shall be put under the Great Seal of this Kingdome and so return'd thither to be passed in that Parlement this was called Poinings Act in the time of King Philip and Mary Having thus given a concise account of the usage of Parlement in our neighbour Kingdomes I will now passe to that of England Every Freeholder who hath a voice in the election of Knights Citizens and Burgesses to sit in Parlement ought to know well and consider with what power he trusts those whom he chooseth in regard the power of the House of Commons is derived from that trust Now that which gives authoritie for the Freeholders to make their election is the Kings Writ directed to the Sheriff of the County in which is expressed not only the Sheriffs duty in point of summoning but the Writ contains also the duty and power of such Knights and Burgesses that shall be elected therefore to know the full extent of the power of Parlement you must have an eye and observe well the words of the Writ for the Freeholders cannot transfer a greater power then is compriz'd in the Writ to those that they appoint their servants in Parlement The Writ being us'd to be in Latin few Freeholders God wot understood it or knew what they did I will faithfully render the said Writ to you in English The King to the Vicount or Sheriff Greeting WHereas by the advice and assent of our Council for
charg'd the Clerk of the Parliament that this Protestation should be entred upon record in the Parliament roll This the King made known to them by the Lord Say and his Secretary who told them that Our Lord the King neither of due nor custom ought to grant any Lords to enter into communication with them of matters t●uching the Parliament but by his special grace at this time he granted their request in this par●icular And the said Steward and Secretary brought the King word back from the Commons That they knew well they could not have any such Lords to commune with them of any businesse of Parliament without special grace and command from the King himself Polyander But it is not the priviledge of Parliament to examine misdemeanours of Juridical Courts and Officers of State according to Lex Repetundarum Philanglus This cannot be called properly a priviledge for there is not the meanest subject but hath liberty on just cause to question any Court or Officer if he suffer by them yet it hath been esteemed a great favour from the Prince to permit such examinations for we read that when the Lords were displeased with the greatnesse of Piers Gaveston 't is said that in the next Parliament The whole Assembly obtained leave of the King to draw Articles of their grievances which they did two whereof were That all strangers should be banish'd the Kingdom whereof Gaveston was one The second was that businesses of State should be treated by the Clergy and Nobles Polyander Though the cognizance and debatings of great affairs of State belong to the high Court of Parliament yet I have read that oftentimes the Lords have transmitted such businesses to the Kings Privy Council Philanglus 'T is a great truth and many instances might be produced for proof thereof among others when one Mortimer who stiled himself Captain Mendall otherwise called Jack Cade came with the rabble of the vulgar with a Petition to the lower House the Commons sent it up to the Lords and the Lords transmitted it to the Kings Privy Council to consider of Polyander But the granting of Subsidies is a peculiar priviledge of the House of Commons Philanglus I think not for it is an unquestionable truth that Subsidies were raised and paid before ever the Commons were called to sit in Parliament The great and long Subsidie of Dane-ghelt was without any gift of the Commons or of any Parliament at all as can be proved Henry the third imposed a Subsidie of two Marks in Silver upon every Knight Fee only by the advice of his Councel The words of the King when hee passeth the Bill of Subsidie are observable which are these Le roy remercie ses loyaux Subjects accept lour benevolence aussy ainu● le ve●lt The King thanks his loyal Subjects accepts of their good will and also will have it which last words make the Act of Subsidy a Law to bind every man to the payment of it In so much that the Parliament cannot impose a peny upon the Subject without the King nor can the Free-holders whom they serve invest any such power in them Polyander I finde by the substance of your discourse that not onely all power and grace but all Parliamentary priviledges flow from the concession of the Soveraign Prince and chief Magistrate Philanglus Yes without controversie you know as a Gentleman wittily observes t is an axiom in Philosophy quod dat formami That which gives the form gives the consequence of the form The King by his Writ gives the very essence and form to the Parliament being the production of his breath therefore priviledges which are but consequences of the form must necessarily proceed from him In the 21. of King James a Declaration was sent from New-Market to the Parliament wherein he asserts That most priviledges of Parliament grew from precedents which she wrather a Toleration that an Inheritance there●ore he could not allow of the stile they us●d to him c●lling it their ancient and undoubted Rights and Inheritance but could rather have wished they had said their priviledges were derived from the ●race and Permission of his Anc●stors and Himself Thereupon he concludes that He cannot with patience endure his Subjects to use such Antimonarchical words concerning their Libertie except they had subjoyned they were gran●ed unto them by the grace and favour of his Progenitors yes he promiseth to be careful of whatsoever priviledges they enjoy by long custome and incontrolled lawful precedents At the presentment of the Speaker of the House of Commons to the King upon the first day of Parliament the Speaker in the name and behoof of the Commons humbly craves that his Majesty would be pleased graciously to grant them their accustomed liberties and priviledges which petition of theirs is a fair recognition of the primitive grace and favour of the Soveraign Prince in bestowing of Privil●dge and is a shrewd argument against any other title For our Antecessors would not have been so ceremonious nor so full o● complement as to beg that of grace which they might have claimed de jure by right A●d the renewing of this Petition at the beginning of every Parliament argues the grant to be but temporary Polyander This was not the doctrine it seems of the late long Parliament whose priviledges flew so high that they ●retopped the ●rerogative for they drew the reins of all rule and reason into their hands and left the Governour in chiefe neither of them And if he chanced to send them any advice or admonition 't was presently cryed up to be breach of p●iviled●e breach of priviledge But Sir by the seque● of our former discourse I find that the High Co●rt or Common Council of this Kingdom was composed at first of Prelates and Peers that Parl. is but a modern word and came in after the Norman Conquest I find also that the Commons came to be made ● House and that Magna Charta and Charta de foresta were not free Spontaneou● grants but that they were in a manner extorted from Kings in times of necessity and confusion I find also that the Primitive and ordinary way of Government was the one supream Magistrate alone and his Council of State and when he pleased by the Common Council But now Sir I pray be pleased to acquit your selfe of the promise you did me the favour to make of acquainting me with the proceedings of the late long Parliament Philanglus To do that I will deduce matters from the beginning and to finde them our must look North ward for there the cloud of all our ensuing confusions began to condense first You know Sir the Scots Nation were ever used to have their King personally resident among them and though King James by reason of his Age Bounty and long breeding there with other advantages drew such extraordinary respects from them that they continued in a good conformity all his reign yet after his death they were often
of all the breaches and violations of those Laws may bee given in charge by the chief Iudges to be presented and punished according to Law 12. That all the Judges and all the Officers placed by approbation of Parliament may hold their places quam diu ●e benè gesserint 13. That the Justice of Parliament may pass upon all Delinquents whether they be within the Kingdom or fled without it And that all persons cited by either Court may appear and abide the censure of Parliament 14. That the General pardon offered by your Majesty may be granted with such exceptions as shall be advised of by the Parliament 15. That the Forts and Castles of the Kingdom be put under the command and custody of such as your Majesty shall appoint with the approbation of your great Council and in the interval with the major part of your Privy Council as formerly 16. That the extraordinary guard and military forces now attending your Majesty be removed and discharged and that for the future that you will raise no such Guards or extraordinary forces but according to the Law in case of actual Rebellion or Invasion 17. That your Majesty will be pleased to enter in a more strict league with the Hollanders and other Neighbour Princes and States of the Reformed Religion for the defence and maintenance thereof against all designes and attempts of the Pope and his adherents to subvert and suppress it whereby your Majesty will obtain a great access of strength and reputation and your Subjects much enco●raged and enabled in a Parliamentary way for your aid and assistance in restoring the Queen of Bohemia and her Princely issue to those dignities and dominions that belong to them and relieving the other reformed distressed Princes who have suffered in the same cause 18. That your Majesty will be pleased to clear by a Parliamentary Act those Members you have empeached in such a manner that future Parliaments may be secured from the consequence of ill Presi●ents 19. That your Majesty will be graciously pleas'd to pass a Bill for restrai●ing Peers made hereaf●en from sitting 〈◊〉 voting in Parliament unless they be admitted thereunto by consent of both Houses And these our humble desires being granted by your Majesty we shall forthwith apply our selves to regulate your present Revenew in such sort as may be to your best advantage and likewise to settle such a● ordinary and constant encrease of it as shall be sufficient to support your Royal dignity in honour and plenty beyond the Proportion of any former grants of the Subjects of this Kingdom to your Majesties Royall Predecessors We shall likewise put the Town of Hul into such hands that your Majesty shall appoint with the consent and approbation of Parliament and deliver up a just account of all the Magazine and cheerfully employ the utmost of our endeavors in the real expression and performance of our dutiful and Loyal affections to the preserving and maintaining of the Royal honour greatness and safety of your Majesty and your posterity Polyander How did these Propositions relish they run in a very high strain though the preamble and conclusion breath a great deal of humility and allegeance Philanglus The King received these proposals with a kind of indignation saying that he was worthy to be a King no longer over them if he should stoop so low some alledged that the very propounding of them was Treason in the highest degree for they struck at the very foundation and root of all Royal authority therefore the condescending to them would render him a King of clo●●s and fit to be hooted at by all his Neighbours Polyander The world was much amazed abroad that the Peers should concur in passing such Proposals considering how their honour must stand and fall with the Royal Prerogative well Si● on Philanglus You must think Sir that one part of foure of the Lords were not there the rest were with the King who slighting those nineteen Propositions an unluckie number it made the Pulse of the Parliament to beat higher and to publish to the World a new Declaration the substance whereof was That the Parliament hath an absolute power of declaring the Law and wh●tsoev●r they declare is not to be questioned by ●ing Magistrate or Subject That ●n P●●cedents can bound or limit their proceedings ●at they may dispose of any thing wher●i● King of Subject hath any rig't●forth publick good wherefore they may be Jud●es without Royal Assen That none of their Members ●ught to be molested or medled withal for treason felony or any other crime unlesse the cause ● brought b●fore them to judge o● the f●ct That the S●v●raign power resides in them That l●vying of Warre against the command of the King though his person be present is no l●vying of War against the King but the levying of War against his politick person and Laws that is the onely levying War against the King Polyander It was not the first time that this new kind of Metaphysick was found out to abstract the person of the King from his Office and make him have two capacities private and politick for the same Metaphysick was made use of in Edward the seconds Reign but it was exploded and declar'd by Act of Parliament afterwards to be detestable and damnable Treason This were to make Soveraignty by separating it from the person to be a kind of Platonick Idea hovering in the aer to make a King a strange kind of Amphibium to make at the same instant a King and no King of the same Individuum a power which the Casuists affirm God Almighty never assum'd to himself to do any thing that implies contradiction Philanglus The Parliament or rather the Presbyteria● Army for the Presbyters sate then at the Helm increas'd dayly and things being at such a desperate point there were two choice Earls Southampton and Dorset sent from Nottingham with this Pathetick Letter of the Kings to the Parliament WE have with unspeak●bl grief of heart long beheld the distraction of this our Kingdom Our very soul is full of anguish until we may find some re●●dy to prevent the miseries which are ready to overwhelm this whole Nation by a civil War And though all our indeavors t●nding to the composing of those unhappy differences 'twixt us and our Parliament though pursued by us with all Zeal and Sincerity have been hitherto without the successe we hoped for yet such is our earnest and constant care to preserve the publick peace that we shall not bee discouraged from using any expedient which by the blessing of the God of mercy may lay a firm foundation of peace and happinesse to all our good Subjects To this end observing that many mistakes have arisen by the Messages Petitions and Answers betwixt us and our great Councel which haply may be prevented by some other way of Treaty wherein the matters in difference may be clearly und●rstood and more freely transacted We have thought fit to