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A15057	An ansvvere to the Ten reasons of Edmund Campian the Iesuit in confidence wherof he offered disputation to the ministers of the Church of England, in the controuersie of faith. Whereunto is added in briefe marginall notes, the summe of the defence of those reasons by Iohn Duræus the Scot, being a priest and a Iesuit, with a reply vnto it. Written first in the Latine tongue by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church, William Whitakers, Doctor in Diuinitie, and the Kings Professor and publike reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge. And now faithfully translated for the benefit of the vnlearned (at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie) into the English tongue; by Richard Stocke, preacher in London. ...; Ad Rationes decem Edmundi Campiani Jesuitæ responsio. English	Whitaker, William, 1548-1595.; Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. Rationes decem. English.; Stock, Richard, 1569?-1626.; Whitaker, William, 1548-1595. Responsionis ad Decem illas rationes.; Durie, John, d. 1587. Confutatio responsionis Gulielmi Whitakeri ad Rationes decem. Selections.	1606 (1606)	STC 25360; ESTC S119870	383,859	364

Sleidanus Illyricus Kemnisius Caluinus Ioan. Iuellus Others haue spoken of it those things that are most true both how it was called how handled and how it was dismissed and therefore I will not goe about to refute your affections Let it enioy for me that credit and estimation which it can Although euery one knoweth thus much that it was not to bee esteemed a Councell of the whole Christian state An assemblie of certaine men but rather a Conuenticle of a few men running together into the same place There was there present a sort of sill●e Friers which did susteine the greatest part of the burthen by disputing writing and playing the Orators For as for the Bishops and chiefe Cardinals they busied their heads about other matters for which they were speciallie assembled But as I said let it be such as it was for I am not offended at your commendations And let the Bishops make their glorious bragges that they long abode in that schoole out of which as yet as farre as I know not many either learned diuines or good Pastors haue come You also vsher in Antonie of Prage greatly congratulating with himselfe for you would needs shew him some kindnes because he made you a Priest Well Campian was created Priest by Antony Archbishop of Prage surely I feare lest you trauelled too far to buy such base wares But now you may celebrate your Masses seeing you are shauen and annointed and made a Priest Moreouer you demaund exceedingly triumph why your Aduersaries called hither and secured by the caution of publike promise did not make all hast to come vnto it In which you are sufficiently answered in the Apoligie of our Church For what should wee doe there or to what end should we vndertake so long a iourney either that being mocked and abused we might returne home againe or being burned in the Councell we should pay for our rashnes For what place of disputation was left amongst those who had euery man plighted their faith to the Bishop of Rome had religiously bound themselues by oath that they would neuer either doe or say any thing againg his dignity and pleasure what therfore might be hoped for from these which might draw any to the disputation besides the * DVR Iohn Husse was not called by the Councell of Constance neither receiued from it any publike promise And whereas you say that it was decreed in this Councell that faith is not to be kept with heretikes it is false WHIT. pag. 352. The Emperour Sigismund gaue him his publike warrant which the Councel most dishonorably infringed And after they had put Husse to death contrary to publike promise they enacted a law that a promise made vnto heretikes by the Emperour or by any King or secular Prince should not hinder any Ecclesiasticall Iudges from proceeding against them according to law Concil Constant Sess 19. calamity of Iohn Husse of Bohemia and Hierome of Prage whom the Father 's burned in the Councell of Constance brought iust cause of feare And yet Husse came to the Councell trusting in the protection of a publike promise Yea but say you the Constantine Fathers made no promise and therefore did not breake any But Sigismonde the Emperor gaue his publike warrant vnto whom it was fit that he should giue credit Notwithstanding comming to the Councell he was presently apprehended and cast into prison and pleading his cause before the Councell he was condemned and burned although Sigismond stormed at it Neither did hee flie as you falsely report neither in truth could hee escape but thus this holy and innocent man was deuoured like a sheepe by furious wolues And what I pray you did the Emperors authoritie commandement or publike warrantize profit him The Emperor say you signed it but the state of Christendome greater than the Emperors did repeale it And who then can be safe if the Emperors beare no sway in the Councell Neither doth the horrible murther of Iohn Husse contrarie to a publike warrant of protection so much discourage vs from comming to your Councels as that decree published by the Councell it selfe That promise is not to be kept with Heretikes Should I then beleeue you who I know will keepe no promise If I doe surely I am worthy to perish after the same manner Hierome of Prage likewise came to the Councell of his owne accord and making publike profession of his faith was burned So that the case of these two than the which all Christendome at that time had not any more holy or learned shall remaine as a perpetuall monument of your treacherie and most horrible crueltie and as a notable caueat vnto all the godly to beware of you for the time to come Concerning Luther whom you cursed Frier call the hatred of God and men the hand and power of God himselfe so defended him that you could neuer hurt him For will was not wanting to you for the destruction of Luther but opportunitie But he was safe say you vpon the Emperors word neither in truth durst the Pope attempt Luthers death after the Emperor had promised him safetie For would Charles the fifth thinke you haue endured it It was not behoofefull for the Pope to haue attempted any thing whereby the Emperors faith might appeare falsified for Charles would neuer so easilie haue put vp such an indignitie as Sigismond had done in time past But say you they doe too much brag in corners in which when they haue but sounded three Greeke words they would seeme to be very wise They might perhaps seeme wise to you who scarcely as I suppose can sound three Greeke words They cannot as you say indure the light which would bring a Scholler into account and would recall him into some place of reckening and is this it Campian which you hunt after a name same places of account to be poynted at with the finger and to be thus spoken of This is the man aduanced to greatest grace excelling in worth and worthy place Doth this grieue you that you are not highly esteemed of and doe not sit in high place Well man proceede in your vertuous courses and goe forward in the way into the which you are entred to your great praise and there is good hope you may ascend vnto such an high place as you are worthie of But wheras you desire That the English Catholikes may obtaine a Patent of impunity if they loue the saluation of their soules surely you require a thing vniust vnequal For what liknes is there in this that learned men should assemble from all parts vnto a publike Councell and that Runnagates should be permitted to returne vnto their countrie We will say you with winged speed hast vnto the Court relying our selues vpon the Princes word And so indeed you safely may for if shee giue her word you may promise vnto your selues assured securitie And I the more easilie beleeue you speake the truth seeing some of you already haue

AN ANSWERE TO THE TEN REASONS OF EDMVND CAMPIAN THE IESVIT IN CONFIDENCE WHEREOF HE offered disputation to the Ministers of the Church of England in the controuersie of faith WHEREVNTO IS ADDED IN BRIEFE MARGINALL NOTES THE summe of the defence of those reasons by IOHN DVRAEVS the Scot being a Priest and a Iesuit with a reply vnto it WRITTEN FIRST IN THE LATINE TONGVE BY THE REVEREND AND faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church WILLIAM WHITAKERS Doctor in Diuinitie and the Kings Professor and publike Reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge AND NOW FAITHFVLLY TRANSLATED FOR the benefit of the vnlearned at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie into the English tongue by RICHARD STOCKE Preacher in London IN THIS TREATISE MOST OF THE Controuersies betwixt vs and the Church of Rome are briefely and plainely handled THE PRINCIPALL THINGS IN EVERY ANSWERE are gathered into a short summe and are set downe after the Epistle to the Reader Imprinted at London by FELIX KYNGSTON for Cuthbert Burby and Edmund Weauer 1606. TO THE RIGHT HONOVRABLE WILLIAM LORD KNOVVLES BARON OF GREYS TREASVRER OF HIS MAIESTIES Houshold and one of the Lords of his Maiesties most Honorable priuie Councell RIght Honourable the Religion or more truly the superstition of the malignant Church of Rome hath two speciall priuiledges aboue any religion in the world that either hath been or is The one that the professors of it may eate their God in the Sacrament the other that they may kill their King in their discontentment not only when he is an Heretike but as the law saith It is the reason giuen why Pope Zacharie deposed Hilaerike King of France and set vp Pipine in his place in Gratians decree part 2. caus 15. c. 3. Alius when he is Inutilis not for their turne and to their mindes The former hath bin the cause of the spilling of much blood in the daies of Q. Mary the latter of deposing of so many Kings and murthering of them in France and other places of Christendome and of the manifolde treasons in the daies of Queene Elizabeth of blessed and happie memorie And of two attempts against his sacred person and state in these three yeeres space The first was but a smoake the latter should haue been a sire the first was but the lightning the latter should haue been the thunderclap if he that is the God both of lightning and thunder had not gratiously preuented it Now the former of these points they defend euery where but the latter they a little blush to heare of not that it is not in their hearts but because their hands want power to effect it Yet that it is their doctrine and constant opinion hath been prooued in a small treatise which I presented to ●our I honor some few moneths ago And that so apparantly that they are at a default as the Councell was Act. 4.16 What shall we doe to these men for surely a manifest signe is done by them and is openly knowne to all them who dwell in Ierusalem and we cannot denie it So with a little change it may bee said by them What shall we say to these things for surely a manifest truth is told by them and it is openly knowne to all them who dwell in England and wee cannot denie it For though they haue endeuoured to answere it yet they haue not bin able to denie any thing in it Only these Charmers of the spirituall Egypt haue endeuoured to doe in like manner with their inchantments Exod. 7.11 But as all the Sorcerers miracles were not true but onely sleights and trickes by the helpe of Satan so are not these for the most part but only Iaglings and not able to deceiue any but fooles children either the ignorant or the seduced alreadie And in many things in effect they say as Iudah Gen. 44.16 How can wee iustifie our selues God and man hath found out the wickednes of vs all But not to digresse further at the time of my presenting of the foresaid Treatise to your Honour it pleased you to shew me Campians tenne Reasons lately taken in a Papists house translated into English wherewith many were peru●●●ed and others made to stagger in the way o● truth because of the goodly shew of truth that such gilded lies haue put vpon them by such cunning Orators Your Honour was then giuen to vnderstand that they were answered by diuers especially by that worthie and excellent Instrument of Gods glorie and one of the most glorious lights of our English Church Doctor Whitakers The book was shewed you but being written in the Latin tongue you wished for the m re benefit of the generall that it might be turned into English Your will was a commaund vnto me who professe I owe much dutie to your Honour and haue had lesse opportunitie than will to shew it for these few yeeres space I haue been towards you and now as soone as I could for my publike seruice of the Church in my poore ministerie I haue effected it Touching which if I may bee bold to deliuer what I thinke in few words thus much I say for Campians reasons I account him bold in all foolish in many things yet wise in this that in the beginning he tels vs they are his tenne chiefe Reasons Herein he is like to the foolish Painter who when he had made two pictures of two small beasts which after they were made nothing resembled those which he intended writ ouer their heads This is such a beast and this such an one So he hauing composed these tenne Rhetoricall speeches being so without reason which he intended they should haue had he calles them reasons lest the reader in perusing should haue mistaken them as he he had done in writing Doubtlesse at a conclusion Campian is an excellent fellow and if he could haue furnished as good premises as he hath enhaunced and amplified the conclusion he would haue put the answerer to much trouble But now we may say of them as Hierom said of the bookes of Iouinian Hieron aduers Iouinian lib. 1. It is harder to know what he holds Multo difficilius est nosse quam vincere 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Portenta verborum descriptionis dedecus Vel per f●brem somniare vel a reptum morbo phrenetico Hippocratis vinculis alligandum Hieron cont Heluid cap. 3. Ne respondendo dignus fieret qui vinceretur Quia loquacitat●m facundia existimat Quia maledicere omnibus bonae consereatiae signum arbitratur Obscandalum fratrum qui ad cius rabien mouebantur than to confute his opinions not for any deepnes of matter but because he is as Hierome calles Iouinian one that loues to speak darkly For he hath as he speaketh bumbasted words deformed discourses and he that reades him aduisedly would thinke him either dreaming in some distempered fit of an Ague or perhaps rather sick of a frensie so that he had neede

that which shall not be vttered out of their shops must by their brain-sicke decree be reiected as a thing most rude and loath some They that are driuen to this horrible and detestable shift though their Armes be blazed neuer so farre abroad by their owne disciples though they buy and sel● benefices though in their Sermons they cry out against Catholikes though they procure them the sword racke and gallowes yet are they ouercome naught set by horrible in mens sight and quite ouerthrowne For as much as the taking vpon them the authoritie of Censorors and sitting as honorable Iudges do dash out at their pleasure such holy Scriptures as they found would not serue their turne is there any body though neuer so simple which can feare these sub●tle sleights of the Aduersaries who assoone as they should enter within your assemiblie that are learned men and flie vnto such their vsuall snifts as it were vnto their familiar spirit should though not with reproach full words yet at the least with trampling of your feet be thrust out of your schooles I would demaund of them for example sake b● what authoritie they mayme and robbe the corpes of the Bible They answere they doe not cut out any true Canonicall Scriptures but cull out only such as are not Canonicall that haue been forsted into the Bible and are indeed but counterfeits Who shall be iudge the * Campian refuseth the holy Ghost as Iudge holy Ghost for this very answere doth o 1. Lib. Inst. cap. 7. Caluin giue thereby to escape the iudgement of the Church by whose authoritie all spirits are tried why then do some of you cut off certaine bookes and others of your crew allow the same seeing you all vaunt of the self-same spirit The Caeluinists spirit alloweth of six Epistles which the Lutheran spirit doth d●sallow and yet both of you as you say haue the holie spirit The p Xistus Sen. lib. 7. Anabaptists doe call the historie of Iob a fable interlaced with tragicall and Comicall meeters how know they that by the spirit that instructeth them q Praefat. in Cant. Castalio that lecherous varlet made no more account of that mysticall booke of Salomon commonly called Cantica canticorum which the Catholikes do as highly esteeme as a Paradise of the soul as that heauenly food Manna which was laid vp and kept in the tabernacle and as delicate dainties in Christ then he did of a * This is falsoe for Castalio in his preface hath no such word baudie song and ribaudous ta●be of a Courtly wayting mayd with her louer where had he this of the spirit In the Apocalyps of r Epist. ad Paul S. Iohn euery little title whereof S. Hierome affirmeth to containe some high and notable mysterie yet neuertheles these ſ Praef. in Apoc. seuere Iudges Luther Brentius and Kemnitius find I know not what lacking shooting all at this marke that the booke might be defaced and be of no authoritie whom did they aske the spirit * This is most false reade the answere to it Luther vpon a prepostorous zeale casteth a bone amongst the g Praefat. in nouum Test. foure Euangelists and preferring S. Paules Epistles farre before the three former Gospels in the end concludeth that the one only Gospell of S. Iohn is from henceforth to be taken for the gay for the true and the principall Gospell as one that asmuch as in him lay would gladly haue made the Apostles also partakers of his brawling in religious matters who was his Tutor the spirit Besides this that peeuish u Ser. de Pharis Publican Fryer was so malapert as to endeuor to make * This is false for Luther neuer spake saucily of S. Luke S. Lukes Gospell to be suspected to be written in a wanton style because therein good workes are often commended vnto vs whom hath he consulted with the spirit Theodorus Beza was so bold as to reprehend that mysticall word taken out of the 22. Chapter x Luc. C. 22. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of S. Luke Hic est Calix nouum Testamentum in sanguine meo qui calix pro vobis fundetur This is the Cup of the new Testament in my blood which Cup shall be sh●dde for you as very corrupt and euilly placed there because this sentence cannot admit any interpretation but of the * This is false for by no meanes can he endure thi● exposition wine of the Cup changed into the very true blood of Christ where learned he that of the spirit Finally when euery man committeth euery thing to his priuate spirit they belie the name of the holy Ghost most blasphemously Do not these fellowes which deale thus bewray themselues and shew what they are are they not easily confuted are they not in the assemblie of such men as you of both the Vniuersities be quickly perceiued and soone represt Ought I to feare disputations with these in defence of the Catholike faith who with much falshood haue handled the very word not of man but of God himselfe Here I passe ouer such things as they haue depraued in their false translations though there be intolerable matters wherewith I may well charge them I am very loath to take away any part of the matter either from my old Colledge fellow Master Gregory Martin a man of excellent great knowledge in the three tongues y Latin Greeke and Hebrew which will handle this matter farre more learnedly and copiously then I can or from some others which as I vnderstand haue already vndertaken this matter The matter that I now write of is farre more heynous and horrible There were lately discouered certaine pettie Doctors that vpon a drunken pange laid violent hands vpon the diuine Scriptures and haue condemned them as corrupted as maymed as falsified as craftily foisted in in sundrie places some parts thereof they haue corrected some they haue raced and some they haue quite pulled out And lastly they haue changed as the fortresse of this authenticall writing of Gods owne hand wherewith before it was fenced vnto certaine Lutherane spirits as though it were into vaine bulwarkes of their owne imaginations or into bare painted walles least peraduenture they should haue bin mum for want of matter when they should stumble at such places of Scripture as are plaine against their heresies Of which neuerthelesse they could no sooner shift their hands then suppe vp hot coales or eate hard stones Then this first reason seemed to me vrgent and iust which when it had euidently laid before mine eyes that the Aduersaries side was but counterfeited and feeble truely it incouraged me much being both a Christian and also somewhat beaten in this kind of studie in defence of the euerlasting Kings Charter to encounter with the remnaunts of these discomfited enemies WILLIAM WHITAKERS The answere to the first Reason THat Campian which made you most cheerefull in the cause you haue vndertaken and

alwaies withstood the gates of hell Matth. 16. Judai Eusch 4. Hist. 5. Hieron in Epist ad Paul in Epist ●●d Marcel passim in Epist but ours When after the expulsion of the Iewes vnder Vespatian and Titus his sonne Christians increased at Hierusalem O immortall God what comming of good people was there to the holie places that were there What wonderfull deuotion was there among all sorts of people to see that Citie of Hierusalem What zeale to see Christs Sepulcher what desire to see the manger wherein Christ lay what thursting after the sight of the crosse whereon Christ was nailed what longing to behold all sorts of monuments there in which the holie Church taketh as much delight as doth a spouse in the garments laid off by her husband Vpon this began that mortall hatred and implacable of the Iewes against vs for euen at this day they * But they complaine without cause for they haue no reason why they should be angrie with our ancestors complaine that our Ancestors were the cause of their Ancestors ouerthrow as for Simon Magus and the Lutherans Ethnici they receiued neuer ablow at their hands Among the heathen there were many tyrants who during their raigne for the space of 300. yeares by fits at diuers times inuented most bitter torments against Christians Against what manner of Christians I pray you Leo serm de D. Laurent Truly against the Fathers of our faith and their Children Marke well with your selues the speeches of this tirant that broiled S. Laurēce on a Gridyron It now well appeares Prud. in hym de S. Laur. that this is the order and fashion in your sacrifice This doctrine you all agree to that Bishops must offer vp their sacrifice in plate of gold and the people say that the sacred blood smoketh out of your cups of siluer and that ye haue tapers burning on golden candlesticks during all the time of your night sacrifices Also as common fame doth testifie your brethren haue a speciall care to offer vp thousands of pounds though they sell their lands to get the same the lawfull heire being thus disinherited and brought to beggery though his holie parents greatly complaineth for such shamefull sale of lands as should by right discend to him from his grandfathers This wealth lieth hid in some secret corners of your Churches and you thinke it a great godlie deed to make your sweet babes goe naked fetch out these treasures which thou hoordest vp by thy craftie perswasions and wicked witchcraft the which I say thou haddest in one darke hole or other the commonweale the Kings Eschecker and the common treasure haue need thereof That mony being imployed for souldiers wages the generall lieutenant may be fully fraughted with souldiers I vnderstand that this is an vsuall doctrine amongst you Restore to euery man his owne behold the Emperour acknowledgeth his owne physnomie stamped vpon his owne coine Giue to Caesar that which thou knowest to be Caesars Truly I demaund nothing but that which is iust Thy God except I be deceiued cometh no money neither brought he with him at his comming into the earth any golden gilderds but ministred his commandements by word of mouth being purslesse himselfe Performe faith fullie that his doctrine which you openly preach abroad restore your money willingly content your selfe to be rich in words * Campian demonstrates his Church by the wealth and riches of it A note of the Popish Church What manner of man seemeth this to be against whom doth he thus rage Whose Churches sacrifices lights ceremonies and ornaments hath he gone about to abolish What Churches golden goblets and chalices of siluer and costlie gifts and rich stuffe enuied he at This man vndoubtedly doth hold on Luthers part Gen. 10. For what other colour haue our mighty * The Pope of Rome is that Nimrod the mighty hunter of the Church Nimrods pretended to couer their theft withall when they robbed 1441 0536 V 3 Gods houses and made hanock of Christs inheritance On the cōtrary part what Church was it that Constantine the great the very terror of Christs enemies hath brought to quietnes euen that selfe-same Church ouer which the high 〈◊〉 Bishop Siluester was gouernour Dam. in Syl. Zonaras whom the said Emperour called out of the mount Soract where he lay secretly for feare of persecution that by the helpe of the said Siluester he might be * This is false for Siluester was dead many yeares before Constantine was baptised baptised with our Baptisme vnder what banner fought he that he became so great a cōqueror euen vnder the banner of the n Euseb lib. 2. de vita Con. c. 7 8.9 ●ozom lib. 1. cap. 9. Crosse who was his mother that he attained ●o so great honor euen that blessed woman Saim Helen what fathers took he part with with the Fathers for sooth of the Nicene Councell what manner of men were they namely they were S. Siuester S. Iulius S. Athanasius S. Nicholas to whose prayers did he commend himselfe to the prayers of o Athan. in vita S. Aut. S. Antony what roome exacted he in the Councell * This is false for it was the chiefest and of beaten gold the very lowest of all Oh how much more Prince-like was he when he sate in this seate then they that since that time ambitionsly haue made sale for a l●ttle that is far vnfit for a King It were too long to declare euery matter in particular but by these two Emperors wherof the one was our deadly enemie the other was our most faith full friend one may easilie coniecture of euery other circumstance which are like to these afore spoken of For as vnder the Tyrant our Catholike Christians had a trouble some encrease so vnder this Emperor through Gods great mercie they were brought to a most happie end Let vs looke a little into the Turkes affaires * It is manifest that the Turkes haue no lesse in creased by the helpe of the Pope then by their ovvne strength Mahomet and Sergius the Monke that fell from his religion by howling in the deepe pit of hell oppressed both with their owne sinnes and the sinnes of their posteritie This monstrous and outragious beast Vide Volat. Jouium Aemil. lib. 8 Blond lib. 9. de 1. I meane the Saracens and Turkes if they had not bin quailed and driuen backe heretofore by the orders of Knights in our holy warfare and by the Princes and people that take our part as for Luther * Hee hath good cause to be thankfull to the Pope of Rome to whom it is reported that Solyman the great Turke for this cause gaue great thankes by his letters yea and as for the Lutheran Princes to whom the fortunate successe of the Turkes is but a laughing matter as for them I say this ●aging furie and most mischieuous to mortallmen had before this time destroyed and