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A81522 A discourse upon the questions in debate between the King and Parliament. 1642 (1642) Wing D1628; Thomason E117_8; ESTC R21943 14,192 19

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up into so high requests but take the Argument at the best it followes not that the Parliament intends to assume the Soveraigne Authoritie because when Ireland is in Rebellion England in combustion Scotland scarce quieted France and Spaine in Armes they doe humbly supplicate his Maiestie to entrust for a short and limitted time the Militia under the commands of persons of Honour that the Lords and Commons those whose blood and estates must defend the State may repose faith in yet this is not to be granted and the feares and Jealousies of his Maiesties best Kingdome and most obedient Subiects held so unworthy of any regard or satisfaction that they are esteemed and so published for frivolous and false pretended meerely to obtaine an uniust purchase out of the Kings prerogative For the nomination of prime Officers Councellours and Judges I presume that request results out of the precedent misgovernment and is intended onely for this time And peradventure the temper will be better for the people that the King being once invironed with a wise and religious Councell appoint Judges and publique Officers whom the people may if there be cause accuse and the Parliament iudge nor would this branch of the Kings prerogative beene reach'd at by the people if the Judges who ought to be conservators of the lawes had not been the distroyers If the the counsell of a few even in Parliament time had not involved the whole state in a common calamity and contested with the Grand Counsell of the Kingdome assuming to themselves more zealous affection to his Majestie a greater care of the common-wealth a better discerning what was necessary and fit for both Yet the election of publike officers is not without president in the times of former Kings But I would not have those Kings presidents to his Majestie that such demands may not be president to us Concerning the perpetuall dictatorship of the Parliament It may be demanded why is the work prolonged by them who aske why are you so long at work why are delinquents protected by what meanes are difficulties objected How comes this Rebellion in Ireland why doth the Parliament spend time in providing for their owne safety which ought to be spent in redresse of publique disorders and vindication of the subjects from oppression do they pretend fear because they would rule let his Majestie render those feares apparantly false and concurre more hartily than they in securing the Kingdome Let him grant commissions for Ireland let him grant Guards for the Parliament as wel to secure their fear as their danger why should his Majestie confirme their feares by discharging their Guards and attempting their persons If he know them to be safe let them know it also or confute their feare to the understanding of the whole Kingdome by granting their owne wayes of security the next way to detect those apparitions of fear if they be false And when the Religion of our church is vindicated The vigour of the Lawes renued A Guard of strength and terrour provided for their future preservation The Rebellion in Ireland quelled His Majesties revenue examined and repaired Particular delinquents punished The Court of justice reformed The banks founded by the industry of our Ancesters with so much blood and treasure against the inundations of the prerogative or malignity of private counsels repaired and better fortified then let us see what pretence will be made for continuation of the Session still The English Nation will not doubtlesse sel their birth right for a messe of pottage Nor change the government of a Prince time nor story remembring any other in these Kingdoms of extraction so illustrious of a title so indubitable to be ruled by their equal peradventure inferior neighbours To that allegation that this assembly is no Parliament in the Kings absence If it be understood when he is not present it is an opinion so ancient as since his Majestie left the Parliament for before I am perswaded it was never heard of And it must follow thereupon as hath beene answered before that by the accedentall absence of the prince or in sicknesses that induce stupifaction or in the first degrees of infancie when the powers of the reasonable soule have no latitude of operation the state may be left without meanes to preserve it self which is a great absurditie to thinke But if by the Kings absence be understood the want of his voluntary concurrence in confirmation of the Acts and Ordinances of both houses and that in such cases they are no Parliament it may well be doubted if they have bin any Parliament during this Session For the acts that have passed his Royall assent so much amplified in his late declarations to the people are shrodely suspected to be with no great good liking of his Majestie I am sure if they were voluntary they were not exhibited with due circumstances for through that opinion his Majestie hath lost much of the thankes due for such transcendent graces which no Prince or inferior person ought in discretion to loose However that both houses legally convened and authorised to sit doe not by the kings absence loose the essence and denomination of a Parliament appears by presidents of former times when in the absence of a Prince further distant in body then his Majestie is in mind I hope the estates have assembled themselves which is a little higher then was yet in dispute have administred oathes of fealtie to the subject have named officers for publique services and as well to superintend the peace of the Kingdom as the revenue of the King And though there was not nor is any law authorising the assembling of a Parliament in such a case yet was the legallity of that Parliament never questioned nor will of any other upon the same or the like occasion when the matter to be treated on is the peace and safety of the Kingdome whether the King be absent in body or minde it changes not the question much But that which is a short answer to all that can be said is that by an Act of all the estates this Parliament is not disolveable but by an Act of all the estates therefore a Parliament untill that Act be passed To the other part of the allegation that Major part of both Houses have left the rest and are gone over to the King It may be demanded why doth not then his Majestie send them up to adjourn the Parliament to Oxford or Cambridge are they so fearfull of the Aprentizes of London that they dare not appear to do his Maiestie so great a service by shouting a yea or no in the house of Commons how willingly would they adventure a battell that refuse to speake a word in a croud Truly it were they way to put an end to all the controversie to reverse with ease the acts that have given so great cause of repentance to reduce the Parliament to termes of due obedience to save a multitude of offenders to