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A81491 A reply to a letter printed at Newcastle vnder the name of an answer, sent to the ecclesiasticall Assembly at London, about matters concerning the king, and the government of the church. With the copy of the said letter to the Assembly, in the name of John Deodate, D. D. Also, a certificate from one of the scribes of the Assembly at London. Walker, Henry, Ironmonger. 1646 (1646) Wing D1511; Thomason E367_7; ESTC R201267 12,349 16

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in their cause yet let them know that there is no Law that allowes their actions lawfull by that power to destroy the Land The King governes his people by power not onely Regall but politick If the Kings power in England was Royall onely then he might change the lawes of the Realm without consent of his subjects But here the Kings government being politick hee cannot wage warre against his Parliament And surely we may observe upon the notes pag. 9. there is a woe to these Prelates Papists and Malignants who have thus traduced the King and caused the warre And God will find them out with their Babylonish garments and wedges of gold and not only strip them but bring them to condigne punishment And for the other note of suffering rather then resisting with armes it is true we must let God work his work yet wee must doe our duty in serving him every one in his own place we must use the means And let me tell the Prelates which is no more but truth The Court of Parliament is so transcendent that it makes lawes and inlargeth lawes diminisheth abrogateth repealeth and reviveeth Lawes Statutes and Ordinances concerning matters Ecclesiasticall Capitall Criminall Common Civill and Martiall It is of that high Honour and Justice that none ought to Imagine any thing dishonourable that proceedeth from that high Court Mitt Cap 2. Sect 4. 7. 10. 14. Cap. 4. de default and Cap de Homicid Cap 1. Sect. 13. Cap 4 And those that resist that power resist the Ordinance of God which is a damnable Act. Rom. 13. 2. As for the adjurings and conjurings by the pretended holy grones Sacred Censers and hypocriticall extasies I cannot look upon them as tending really to a peace And we may daly see how big the Malignants hearts swell with poyson to foment if it were possible a new warre why do they pleade for humility and yet kick against our fasts What inclination of a good minde can they have towards the people of God whilst they burn in malice against the Parliament the Assembly and the City So that notwithstanding the Marginall notes pag. 11. It is cleare that the Malignant party seeke peace onely for themselves that they may be able to raise a new warre and though the forger of this letter would lay the guilt of all the blood that hath been shed in this warre upon the Parliament and their party yet it is most certaine that the Prelates Papists have been the very cause of all this blood-shed that hath been spilt in the 3. Kingdomes wherein so many thousands of Innocent people have been barbarously murdered for no other cause but that they were Protestants and could not professe the superstitions Commanded by the Prelates Authority And for the latter Annotations in pag. 11 we may easily see that they are still the same Incendiaryes as before not repenting unto this very day as is before exprest And for that excellent State of the Church observed by the notes on page 12. whence is it Their Councelling of the King to these courses so distructive both to himselfe and Kingdome Their Activity in cruell oppressions perpetrated by them upon the Innocent people and exorbitant illegall and tyrannicall invasions upon the just Lawes of the Kingdome and naturall Liberties of the subject Could these put the Church into an Excellent State who can endure such abominable untruths These alwayes were our blemishes But to conclude He that will approve this peece of Newcastle forgery must be either a papist or an atheist A Protestant he cannot be except to use his own words he be a Malignant and a right Malignant too even such a one who seekes to foment a new Warre from whom good Lord deliver us Amen An Answer sent to the Ecclesiastical Assembly at London by the reverend noble and learned man Iohn Deodate the famous Professour of Divinity and most vigilant Pastor of Geneva The Translators Preface to the simple seduced Reader READER MAy the Father of lights open thine eyes to see over this strangers shoulders and by this impartiall Perspective what thou whilst kept down thus low by thy new Masters and through thy Seducers false Mediums hast not hitherto been suffered to perceive it being now purposely hid from thine eyes Behold a meer stranger that notwithstanding his manifold Obligations and personall Ingagements to a contrary Discipline in the Church different forme of Government in the State yet over-ruled by the manifest Truth Honesty of the Kings Cause breakes through all those Restraints of his Liberty as far as he may to tell thee thus much plain English Truth Behold here Genevas veneration ful vindicatiō too of thine own Mother the Church of England as it stood under Episcopacie traduced here at home by her own Spurious brood for Superstitious Popish Antichristian what not And this Apology directed to the Assembly-men in answer to their Letter what ever it was Behold here again a cleer justification of the King vilified by his own for that for which strangers do admire him His Clemency his inclination to Peace his acts of grace c. Behold here the root of Gall that which hath brought forth all these Nationall mischiefes the popular tumults and conspiracies pointed at here is the only evident cause of the Kings Divorce from the Parliament See here by whom poor Ireland was deserted one thing also thou mayst here take notice of from these standers by That the Glergy in their own proper Sphere may be as fit and as honest and perhaps in some respects more able for the good speed of a Treaty then those that do slight them with utter Praeterition Last of all behold here the loyall and religious Subjects only Militia or his own proper Magazine to wit the known Lawes of the Land that and prayer submission are the only defensive weapons allowed here by this Master of Fence I say no more to thee save only that I do heartily pity thee and therefore I do stil pray for thee and for all thy fellow-bondmen that God will bring into the way of Truth all such as have erred and are deceived Amen Reverend godly and worthy Sirs our dear Brethren and Companions in the Work of the Lord IF proportionably to the griefe we have conceived at your Letters wherein you have expressed the most sad face of your affaires we had but as much ability either by our Consolations to asswage your sorrowes or by our counsels to ease your butthens or by any our cooperation to help your extremity we should think our selves very happy in so well corresponding with your honorable most loving compellation of us and right glad we should be thus to requite you with our best and effectuall good offices But alas as the scantnesse of our capacity in this kindso the Ignorāceof the more inward causes of so many miseries chiefly the perplex dangerous nature of matters now in agitation among you All these
A REPLY TO A LETTER Printed at NEWCASTLE VNDER The name of an Answer sent to the Ecclesiasticall Assembly at LONDON about Matters concerning the KING and the Government of the CHURCH With the Copy of the said LETTER to the Assembly in the name of JOHN DEODATE D. D. ALSO A Certificate from one of the Scribes of the ASSEMBLY at LONDON LONDON Printed by J. C. 1646. The Animadvertors Epistle to all well-affected Englishmen who are unwilling to be seduced to believe lies Countrey-men and friends SO soon as I received this printed Pamphlet from Newcastle which came to me inclosed in a letter dated Newcastle the 10. 1646. from an eminent person of that place who advertised me that it was all that the Printer had published since his residing there I did forthwith repaire to some members of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster to acquaint them with it desiring to know whether they had ever received any such letter And upon search finding it to bee a meere forgery I thought fit to publish this Antidote to preserve the people from being poysoned by it I have perused it and must censure them very simple that will bee seduced with such a notorious fiction invented by some prophane Atheist for none else durst dare so often to blaspheme the Name of God to countenance such abominable lies A stranger hee is indeed but so unlike Doctor Deodate that the good old man will be full of sorrow to heare that a Presse should be conveyed to Newcastle to the King to surprize him with such a scandall Take this cordiall therefore to heart which I have prepared to correct the malignancy of that corrosive and corroborate the simple-hearted people who are too apt to drink in such sugred potions Who this pretender of translating the Doctors letter is I know not but this I am sure that he appeares a Cheater a Jesuite a Digby what shall I say more an Ormond a meer Machiavil And therefore the scandals that he hath written against the Parliament and the Assembly are no more to be valued then what wise men expect from such All which doth amount to a very poore justification of the Royall actions The Lord bring into the way of truth all such as have erred and are deceived So prayes he who is Yours in the Lord LUKE HARRUNEY Gracious street this 15. of December 1646. Some Animadversions upon the Letter pretended to be Doct. Deodates but written by a Malignant at Newcastle to the Assembly of Divines AS the Printer at Newcastle pretends this Book to be printed at Geneva so the Episcopall Malignant at Newcastle pretends the matter of it to be Doctor Deodates letterr from Geneva by which they both approve themselves to be a couple of cheating knaves And if any be not satisfied that this letter is forged they may repaire to the Assembly at Westminster and see that which is the right And although this might be a sufficient answer to it for rationall men yet lest some poore ignorant souls should be overcome before they discern the danger of the poyson I will passe some Animadversions upon it For that passage in the Marginall Note pag. 5. observe the Lyer Did the Church of England flourish by the publishing of prophane Books of sports on the Lords day By stopping the mouths of godly Ministers cropping off both branch and fruit of all godlinesse and planting Popishly affected covetous and proud Clergy in all the chiefe places of the Kingdome The Pope indeed had a flourishing party waging warre against the Protestants and Parliaments of England This Metropolitan of our divisions was fomented by the Hierarchy they divided between the King and Kingdome head and body father and son brother and brother a right Babylonish division The Scorpion stings himselfe pag. 6. 7. His note is still under Episcopacie which carried such a glorious face with their Cathedrals and Courts as the Cardinals and Fry of Rome with their Abbies and Monasteries And therefore it was that they stirred up the King to force the Popish Service-book upon the Scots and when that could not be effected they animated him to raise an Army against the Parliament of England and caused the Sheep and the Pastors to goare each other till the land wallowed in blood yet still as Bernard saith they have conscientia mala tranquilla no remorse no sting of conscience nothing but a dead slumber a damnable hardnesse of heart And whereas he magnifies the Kings benignity as of the best of Princes and that he is the most absolute in wisdome to redresse these miseries I wish that his Majesty may confirme the same by passing the Propositions of the wisest of Counsells the Parliaments of both Kingdomes presented to him at Newcastle In the eight page you may see what a disparagement hee would cast upon the Parliament and Citie of London as if they should by driving away the King be the cause of the warre and bloodshed when as his Majesty left them against their will because they desired and laboured that justice might be executed according to law There were many Popish and Prelaticall Tares sowne in the Church of England And as God hath hitherto so I doubt not but he will perfect his work by the Parliament as his Angell with the sharp sickle to cut down that harvest before it doth attain Ripenesse in these Kingdomes Blame not therefore the Citie and the reverend Assembly though they deserted those Vipers to joyn in hand and heart with the Parliaments to preserve the Church and people of God And how ever the Libeller vapours for the Hierarchy in the note of the eight page yet we know how opposite they were to Christ and that by wofull experience Christs commands to preach the word in season and out of season 2 Timoth. 4. 2 But they forbad more then one Sermon a week nay would have had preaching but once a moneth God commands the Lords day to be kept holy Exod. 20 but they prevailed with the King to have sports and recreations allowed on the Lords day Gods word requires spirituall worship John 4. 23 They forced human Traditions upon the Ministers and people And the first Bishops we read of were no more but Presbyters preaching Elders 1 Tim. 3 They proved Prelaticall Tyrants It is true as page 9. there have been many overtures for peace but the Prelats have so wrought into his Majesties affections that the Prelats and evill Councellors of their faction have still hindered the good issue they have stil been the chiefe incendiaries How many protestations have they forced from his Majesty to stick to them and not to leave them They would be held up though three kingdomes be ruined chusing rather to see England Scotland and Ireland all in a sea of blood then the pomp of their Prelaticall kingdom should bee overwhelmed These have alwayes been the men that have set the whole earth in a combustion Though they have unhappily engaged the King