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A45483 A discreet and learned speech, spoken in the Parliament, on Wednesday, the 4 of January, 1641, by Mr. Hampden, Burgesse for Buckingham concerning the accusation of high treason, preferred by His Majesty, against himselfe, the Lord Kimbolton, Sr. Arthur Haslerig, Mr. Pym, Mr. Strowd, Mr. Hollis, worthy members of the House of Commons : therein worthily declaring the difference betwixt a good subject and a bad, and referring his own triall to the iudgement of that honourable assembly. Hampden, John, 1594-1643. 1641 (1641) Wing H630; ESTC R10881 2,932 8

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A DISCREET AND LEARNED SPEECH Spoken in the PARLIAMENT on Wednesday the 4. of January 1641. BY Mr. HAMPDEN Burgesse for Buckingham Concerning the Accusation of High Treason preferred by His Majesty against himselfe the Lord Kimbolton Sr. Arthur Haslerig Mr. Pym Mr. Strowd Mr. Hollis worthy Members of the House of COMMONS Therein worthily declaring the difference betwixt a good subject and a bad and referring his own Triall to the Iudgement of that Honorable Assembly London Printed for F. Coules and T. B. 1641. Mr. HAMPDEN His Speech in PARLIAMENT on Wednesday the 4. of January 1641 Concerning the accusation of high treason preferred by his Majesty against himselfe the Lord Kimbolton Sr. Arthur Haslerig Mr. Pym Mr. Strowd and Mr. Hollis Worthy members of the Lower House of PARLIAMENT Mr. Speaker IT is a true saying of the Wise man that all things happen alike to all men as well to the good man as to the bad there is no state or condition whatsoever either of prosperity or adversity but all sorts of men are sharers in the same no man can be discerned truely by the outward appearance whether he bee a good subject either to his God his Prince or his Countrey untill he be tryed by the touchstone of loyalty give me leave I beseech you to parallell the lives of either sort that we may in some measure discern truth from falsehood and in speaking I shall similize their lives First in Religion towards God Secondly in loyalty and due subjection to their Soveraigne in their affection towards the safety of their Countrey First concerning Religion the best meanes to discerne between the true and false Religion is by searching the sacred Writings of the old and new Testament which is of it selfe pure and indited by the Spirit of God and written by holy men unspotted in their lives and conversation and by this sacred Word may we prove whether our Religion bee of God or no and by looking in this glasse we may discern whether we are in the right way or no And looking into the same find that by this truth of God that there is but one God one Christ one Faith one Religion which is the Gospell of Christ the doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles In these two Testaments is contained all things necessary to salvation if that our Religion doth hang upon this Doctrine and no other secondary meanes than is true to which comes nearest the Protestant Religion which wee professe as I really and verily believe and consequently that Religion which joyneth with this Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles the traditions and inventions of men Prayers to the Virgin Mary Angels Saints that useth in the exercise of their Religion strange and superstitious worshipping cringing bowing creeping to the Altar using Pictures Dirges and such like cannot be true but erroneous nay divelish and all this is used and maintained in the Church of Rome as necessary as the Scripture to Salvation Therefore it a false and Erronious Church both in Doctrine and discipline and all other Sects and Shismes that learnes not onely on the Scripture though never so contrary to the Church of Rome is a false worshipping of God and not the true Religion And thus much concerning the Religion to discerne the truth and falsehood thereof 2. I come now M. Speaker to the 2d thing intimated unto you which was how to discerne in a State betweene good Subjects and bad by their loyalty and due subjection to their lawfull Soveraigne in which I shall under favour observe two things 1. Lawfull subjection to a King in his owne Person and the Commands Edicts and Proclamations of the Prince and his Privie Councell Lawfull obedience to the Lawes Statutes and Ordinances made enacted by the King and the Lords with the free consent of his great Councell of State assembled in Parliament 1. For the first to deny a willing and dutifull obedience to a lawfull Soveraigne and his Privie Councell for as Camden truely saith the commands of the Lords Privie Councellours and the Edicts of the Prince is all one for they are inseparable the one never without the other either to defend His Royall Person and Kingdomes and against the Enemies of the same either publike or private Or to defend the ancient priviledges and Prerogatives of the King pertinent and belonging of right to his Royal Crown and the maintenance of his Honour and Dignity Or to defend and maintaine true Religion established in the Land according to the truth of God is one signe of an evil and bad subject 2 Secondly to yeeld obedience to the commands of a King if against the true Religion against the Ancient and fundamentall Lawes of the Land is another signe of an ill Subject 3 Thirdly to resist the lawfull power of the King to raise insurrection against the King admit him averse in His Religion to conspire against His Sacred Person or any wayes to rebell though commanding things against our Consciences in exercising Religion or against the Rights and Priviledges of the Subject is an absolute signe of a disaffected traiterous subject And now having given the signes of discerning evill and disloyall Subjects I shall only give you in a word or two the signes of discerning which are loyall and good Subjects only by turning these three signes already shewed on the contrary side 1 He that willingly and cheerefully endeavoureth himselfe to obey his Soveraignes commands for the defence of his owne person and Kingdomes for the defence of true Religion for the defence of the Laws of his Country is a loyall and good Subject 2. To deny obedience to a King commanding any thing against Gods true Worship and Religion against the Ancient and Fundamentall Lawes of the Land in indeavouring to performe the same is a good Subject Not to resist the lawfull and Royall power of the King to raise sedition or Insurrection against his Person or to set division betweene the King and his good Subjects by rebellion Although commanding things against conscience in the exercise of Religion or against the rights and priviledges of the Subject but patiently for the same to undergo his Princes displeasure whether it be to his imprisonment confiscation of goods banishment or any other punnishment whatsoever without murmuring grudging or reviling against his Soveraigne or his proceedings but submitting willingly cheerefully himselfe and his cause to Almighty God is the only signe of an obedient and Loyall Subject I come now to the second meanes to know the difference betweene a good Subject and a bad by their obedience to the Laws Statutes and ordinances made by the King with the whole consent of his Parliament And in this I observe a twofold subjection In the particular members thereof dissenting from the generall Votes of the whole Parliament And secondly the whole State of the Kingdome to a full Parliament 1. First I conceive if any particular member of a Parliament although his judgement and Vote bee contrary doe not willingly submit to the rest is an ill Subject to the King and Country And secondly to resist the Ordinance of the whole State of the Kingdome either by the stirring up a dislike in the hearts of his Majesties Subjects of the proceedings of the Parliament To endeavour by leavying of Armes to compell the King and Parliament to make such lawes as seeme best to them to deny the power Authority and priviledges of Parliament to cast aspersions upon the same and proceedings thereby inducing the King to thinke ill of the same and to be incensed against the same to procure the untimely dissolution and breaking off of a Parliament before all things be setled by the same for the safety and tranquility both of King and State is an apparant signe of a treacherous and disloyall Subject against his King and Country And th●s having troubled your patience in shewing the difference betweene true Protestants and false loyall Subjects and Traytors in a State or Kingdome and the meanes how to discerne them I humbly desire my Actions may be compared with either both as I am a Subject a Protestant and a native in this Country and as I am a member of this present and happy Parliament and as I shall be found guilty upon these articles exhibited against my selfe and the other Gentlemen either a bad or a good Subject to my gracious Soveraigne and Native Country To receive such sentence upon the same as this Honorable House shall be conceived to agree with Law and Justice FINIS