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as_o well_o as_o they_o therefore_o we_o catholic_n have_v the_o life_n and_o substance_n of_o religion_n pag._n 60._o in_o the_o prime_a ground_n or_o principle_n of_o christian_a religion_n we_o have_v not_o forsake_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n therefore_o he_o grant_v that_o we_o have_v the_o prime_a ground_n or_o fundamental_a article_n of_o religion_n pag._n 11._o for_o those_o catholic_n verity_n which_o she_o the_o roman_a church_n retain_v we_o yield_v she_o a_o member_n of_o the_o catholic_n though_o one_o of_o the_o most_o unsound_a and_o corrupt_a member_n in_o this_o sense_n the_o romanist_n may_v be_v call_v catholic_n behold_v we_o be_v member_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o can_v not_o be_v if_o we_o err_v in_o any_o one_o fundamental_a point_n by_o the_o way_n if_o the_o romanist_n may_v be_v call_v catholic_n why_o may_v not_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v term_v catholic_n and_o yet_o this_o be_v that_o argument_n which_o protestant_n be_v wont_a to_o urge_v 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the_o margin_n at_o †_o next_o after_o f._n at_o five_o &_o tract_n 2._o c._n 3._o sect_n 5._o subd_v 2._o at_o f._n in_o the_o margin_n prove_v say_v touch_v our_o b._n lady_n be_v preserve_v from_o original_a sin_n and_o the_o worship_v of_o image_n mr._n bunny_n in_o his_o treatise_n tend_v to_o pacification_n sect_n 17._o pag._n 104._o paulo_fw-la ante_fw-la med_a &_o pag._n 105._o say_v if_o any_o think_v it_o more_o honour_n able_a for_o the_o bless_a virgin_n yea_o for_n christ_n himself_o that_o take_v flesh_n of_o she_o to_o have_v be_v without_o sin_n and_o thereupon_o for_o his_o part_n do_v rather_o think_v that_o by_o special_a prerogative_n she_o also_o be_v preserve_v from_o original_a corruption_n etc._n etc._n in_o these_o or_o such_o like_a whosoever_o will_v condemn_v all_o those_o that_o be_v not_o persuade_v as_o we_o be_v commit_v a_o uncharitable_a part_n towards_o those_o his_o brethren_n and_o d._n field_n ibid._n apud_fw-la brereley_o pag._n 499._o in_o the_o 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that_o many_o learned_a protestant_n do_v not_o believe_v all_o such_o doctrine_n and_o consequent_o be_v not_o capable_a of_o salvation_n pag._n 269._o n._n 45._o a_o man_n may_v possible_o leave_v some_o opinion_n or_o practice_n of_o a_o church_n former_o common_a to_o himself_o and_o other_o and_o continue_v still_o a_o member_n of_o that_o church_n provide_v that_o what_o he_o forsake_v be_v not_o one_o of_o those_o thing_n wherein_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o church_n consist_v for_o this_o cause_n he_o say_v that_o although_o protestant_n leave_v the_o external_a communion_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o they_o leave_v not_o the_o church_n because_o they_o leave_v she_o not_o in_o any_o thing_n essential_a to_o a_o church_n as_o fundamental_a point_n be_v therefore_o he_o suppose_v the_o church_n before_o luther_n do_v not_o err_v in_o any_o fundamental_a article_n otherwise_o protestant_n have_v leave_v she_o that_o be_v they_o have_v disagree_v from_o she_o in_o a_o fundamental_a point_n p._n 272._o n._n 52_o and_o pag._n 283._o n._n 73._o he_o deny_v that_o protestant_n divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n absolute_o and_o simple_o in_o all_o thing_n that_o be_v cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o it_o which_o still_o suppose_v that_o the_o church_n before_o luther_n believe_v all_o essential_a and_o fundamental_a point_n which_o protestant_n also_o pretend_v to_o hold_v and_o for_o that_o cause_n say_v they_o leave_v not_o the_o church_n pag._n 272._o n._n 52._o he_o say_v in_o the_o reason_n of_o our_o separation_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o your_o church_n you_o be_v mistake_v for_o it_o be_v not_o so_o much_o because_o she_o your_o church_n as_o because_o your_o church_n external_a communion_n be_v corrupt_v and_o need_v reformation_n but_o if_o we_o err_v in_o fundamental_a point_n protestant_n must_v have_v forsake_v we_o chief_o for_o that_o reason_n that_o our_o church_n be_v corrupt_v with_o fundamental_a error_n of_o faith_n therefore_o he_o grant_v that_o we_o err_v not_o in_o any_o such_o necessary_a point_n pag._n 401._o n._n 26._o he_o confess_v that_o d._n potter_n say_v indeed_o that_o our_o not_o cut_v off_o your_o church_n from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o hope_v of_o salvation_n free_v we_o from_o the_o imputation_n of_o schism_n pag._n 133._o n._n 12._o he_o say_v express_o by_o confession_n of_o both_o side_n we_o agree_v in_o much_o more_o than_o be_v simple_o and_o indispensable_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n it_o be_v well_o he_o make_v so_o open_a a_o confession_n that_o we_o believe_v much_o more_o than_o be_v simple_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n but_o as_o i_o say_v before_o we_o will_v not_o because_o we_o can_v yield_v so_o much_o to_o protestant_n and_o here_o i_o must_v ask_v again_o how_o he_o can_v say_v pag._n 401._o n._n 27._o as_o for_o our_o free_n you_o from_o damnable_a heresy_n and_o yield_v you_o salvation_n neither_o d._n potter_n nor_o any_o other_o protestant_n be_v 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the_o worse_a it_o be_v a_o say_v void_a of_o all_o truth_n and_o a_o shameful_a calumny_n in_o he_o 9_o to_o these_o testimony_n of_o potter_n and_o chillingworth_n many_o other_o may_v be_v allege_v out_o of_o other_o protestant_n as_o we_o have_v see_v divers_a other_o allege_v by_o potter_n d._n laud_v in_o his_o book_n against_o fisher_n pag._n 299._o say_v i_o do_v acknowledge_v a_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o so_o as_o that_o which_o i_o grant_v to_o romanist_n be_v not_o as_o they_o be_v romanist_n but_o as_o they_o be_v christian_n that_o be_v as_o they_o believe_v the_o creed_n and_o hold_v the_o foundation_n christ_n himself_o behold_v not_o only_o a_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n but_o also_o the_o reason_n thereof_o because_o we_o believe_v the_o creed_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v the_o very_a reason_n for_o which_o protestant_n hold_v that_o they_o themselves_o may_v be_v save_v though_o they_o differ_v in_o many_o point_n from_o one_o another_o this_o i_o say_v be_v the_o reason_n of_o d._n laud_n which_o other_o protestant_n must_v approve_v though_o in_o true_a divinity_n it_o be_v of_o no_o force_n at_o all_o for_o though_o one_o believe_v the_o creed_n and_o hold_v the_o foundation_n christ_n himself_o that_o be_v that_o he_o be_v god_n and_o saviour_n of_o the_o world_n yet_o if_o he_o deny_v any_o point_n evident_o deliver_v in_o scripture_n or_o otherwise_o sufficient_o propound_v as_o reveal_v by_o god_n he_o can_v be_v save_v even_o according_a to_o protestant_n who_o therefore_o do_v in_o this_o as_o in_o many_o other_o thing_n speak_v inconsequent_o and_o contradict_v themselves_o pag._n 376._o he_o say_v the_o religion_n of_o the_o protestant_n and_o the_o romanist_n religion_n be_v the_o same_o nor_o do_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o the_o protestant_n set_v up_o a_o different_a religion_n for_o the_o christian_a religion_n be_v the_o same_o to_o both_o but_o they_o differ_v in_o the_o same_o 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