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A13257 A confession of fayth made by common consent of diuers reformed churches beyonde the seas: with an exhortation to the reformation of the Churche. Perused and allowed accordinge to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.; Confessio Helvetica Posterior. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.; Bullinger, Heinrich, 1504-1575.; Old, John, fl. 1545-1555. 1568 (1568) STC 23554; ESTC S118060 120,110 316

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Purgatory then arise the whiche yet was not generally receyued in the Church as the writings of Augustine doo manifestly declare Wherefore to returns to the matter whom of so great a multitude shall we especially choose for iudges if we will heare that Apostata of whome I haue spoken we muste chouse them that liued about the time of Theodosias the great And surely I graunt that there was at that time very learned Bishoppes but yet dare I affirme this thinge the whiche I doo protest that I doo not speake for the reproche of any that scarcely any of them cā be named which doth not bothe dissent from him The Doctors dissēt one from another selfe from others in many thinges and those of no small importance And if peraduenture that Apostata that I did speake of shall denie it then let me be counted a lier onles I doo plainely proue it But here I knowe what exception he will make at the leaste by these wryters saith he it shal appeare what was the forme outwarde face of the Catholike Churche As though VVhat neede vve seeke for formalitie this were the chiefe pointe of our controuersie not rather of the doctrine it selfe or as though at all times al rites Ceremonies are to be receiued without exception whiche the Apostolike Church it selfe hath vsed either as profitable or necessarie for their times and as though they were not playne Buylde thy house before thou paynte it fooles which when the foundations of the houses were al fallē downe would be so carefull for building vp the roofe And what néede many woordes I suppose that many of you most excellent noble Lordes haue in your remembrance how when we did treate of this matter at Poissy where we had rather a triflynge skirmishe alteration then a serious and earnest disputation we did thus cōclude in fewe woordes that the waie and meane to finish the troubles and controuersies whiche some froward Newtrals and halfefaced mē Agree of the doctrine then talke of the comely Ceremonies to name them no worse doo so importunately craue was first of al that we should dispute and agrée by the woorde of God of the doctrine it selfe and of Faith the whiche beyng once established then should we agrée much more easely about the Ceremonial matters of the whiche we would reiect some as vaine and foolishe some as superstitious either by them selues or by circūstances some as altogether wicked and some finally we would willingly admit whiche coulde be proued either profitable or necessarie What then doo these men require any more assuredly most noble Prince they séeke this one thinge that they may bringe into hatred Many that seeme qualifiers of these controuersies seeke to spoyle the flocke still vvithout checke the faithfull Ministers of God as men seditious ambitious and louers of changes suche as woulde haue all thinges new that they thēselues may still spoyle and destroy the poore flocke of Christe without controlment For they are like those without doubte of whome the Lorde speaketh that they neither will enter into the Kingdome of Heauen thē selues nor suffer others to enter in Thei are the most perilous men vndoubtedly that are suffered VVho are the moste perilous enemies to liue this day vnder the Sūne more daungerous by muche then the open enemies of the Gospell and therefore ought you principally that are the patrones and defenders of the Churches of God by the most Christian Kinges decrée to auoyde such men and beware of them who partely for their bellies sake partly for lucre partly for enuie and malice partely for fauour of them whom they flatter lie in waite to trap you But I sée that I haue bene somwhat longe in confutinge this opiniō therefore I doo returne to the matter For what shall we say or doo to those which imagine that the publike errour Publike errour cā not be the rule of Religiō muste be folowed for the rule of Religion whiche set the bare names of fathers and custome against all reasons and proufes whiche finally doo sticke onely to that one Churche whiche no The Papists calling one church Vniuersall ioygne together cōtraries lesse foolishly then falsely they call the Catholike Romish Churche that is to say an Vniuersall particular Church surely I doo thinke that we muste let them alone least we shoulde séeme to labour to cure madnesse with reason But now if none of these that we haue God is the Iudge spoken of may sitte as Iudges in this cause but rather muste be iudged of others in what courte then shall this great controuersie be pleaded Verely before the iudgemēt seate of God onely Then will they say let him be called VVhere shall vvee finde him downe from his Heauenly palace Nay why doo they not draw him foorth of these their Chancels and holy corners forsooth because we stande in no néede of a dumbe God that can doo nothinge but kéepe silence suche one as their crusted God is in the wafer cake but of that good God that speaketh clearely and plainely vnto vs. And I praye you where shall we finde him no Not in the Boxe But in the Scriptures where doubtles saue in the writinges of those mē of God who as Peter witnesseth haue bene stirred vp by the holy Ghost to speake vnto vs of those I saye vpon whose doctrine as vpon the foundation the Apostle crieth that the Churche is builded euen vppon the bookes of the Apostles the Prophetes whiche are conteined vnder the name of the Olde and new Testament But say they the doubt standeth of the interpretation Obiection of this woorde whiche we say must be sought at the Church But first of all we must agrée whiche is the Ansvveare Churche for the Synagoge of Satan also doth abuse that fayre and beutiful name of the Churche And howe canst thou iudge this same thinge but by the kinde of the doctrine And how canst The worde is iudge of the Church thou put a difference betwixt the true doctrine and the false but by the holy Scriptures As for that succession wherein some sette all their succour it hath ceased lōge ago to haue any force or valure seyng this is most certaine that the most ignorant and wicked mē haue bene the successours for many yeares vnto the good and learned Bishops Successiō of doctrine not of persons requisite and that there doth appeare no steppe or token of any lawfull vocatiō in the Churches now for a longe ceason Furthermore we doo require a succession of doctrine not of the persons euen of the Propheticall and Apostolicall doctrine so that of necessitie we must runne againe to the bookes of the Prophetes the Apostles for the proofe of the true succession As for the name of Traditions the The bare visar of Traditions serueth not whiche some also that feare nothinge more then the triall of the Scripture doo holde
seates of the scorners the whiche we are commaunded to flie that we may be blessed Moreouer if Doctors and Councels may be called as vvitnesses so that vve do iudge by the vvorde there be any doubte of the interpretation of the woorde writen I doo not refuse thē to be witnesses as I haue said but I suppose that first of all we muste diligently discerne the true Churche from the Synagoge of Satan the Fathers that are not suspected in Faithe nor cōdemned from such as either are mē manifestly without knowledge or Heretikes or otherwise suspected and the lawfull and vndoubted faithfull Councels from the Synodes and conuenticles assembled against Christes truthe finally the true bookes must be warely Iudged from the forged and counterfaite These thinges beinge determined God is only iudge by his vvorde then doo I saye that all these are to be hearde not as iudges for God is only the iudge by his written woorde but as witnesses cited and sworne and that certainely after the same maner as witnesses are heard by skilfull Iudges in publike controuersies euen so verely that they shew the causes reasons of their testimonies causes I say not borowed any where els but foorthe of the same woorde of the interpretation wherof the questiō is moued For Augustine renouncinge humaine reason saith very wel by the holy Scriptures we walke much more safely the which Augustine beinge shadowed with borowed speaches when we wil search them either that cōmeth foorth whiche is without controuersie or if it haue any doubte it may be determined by the same Scripture by the gatheringe and finding of testimonies witnesses of euery side Thus saith he and that very wel For if we must onely haue our wisdome by the onely writen woorde then may not the interpretation of this woorde be fetched any other where For as the same Augustine saith so hath the holy spirite tempered ordered the Scriptures the that thyng which is spoken in some place somethinge darkly in some other place is declared more plainly Finally what other man shal we folow VVho rather to be folovved then Christ and the Apostles Heretikes ouercome by the Scriptures then Christ him self and his Apostles and Christe did confute Satan abusinge the Scriptures by no other meanes but by the same Scriptures The Apostles confirme their doctrine by the writings of the Prophets And the Iewes of Beraea are praysed that whē they had hearde the doctrine taught by Paule they cōpared it with the writinges of the Prophetes to trie whether those thinges were so or no. Certainely the Councels of Nice did with none other weapon cut the throte of Arrius nor that of Cōstantinople Macedonius nor the Ephesine Nestorius nor the Chalcedonian Eutiches nor Augustine Pelagius Donatus wherfore they that counte the Scripture so doubtfull and darke that it standeth néede to haue light brought thereunto some other wayes are woorthie of all good men to be spitted vpō as blasphemers and vtterly to be abhorred Yet doo I not disprayse the writings Doctors allovved of God of the Doctors and their interpretations seinge that he that hath ordeined pastors and doctors to the edificatiō of the bodie hath Authorised them bothe by woorde and by writinges to interpretate the same but I declare howe farre we must sticke vnto them euen so farre as they doo bringe nothinge of their owne no not at that time when as the controuersie is of the sence and interpretatiō of any place of Scripture but that they by the Scriptures doo interpretate the Scriptures accordinge to the proportion of Faithe the whiche who so dothe whether he be newe or olde a Priuate person or Publike officer in the Churche whether he come alone or with many whether he be an olde man or a yong man let hym bee heard For though order Order is necessary but not so that we binde Gods grace to persone place but measure all by the rule of gods word must nedes be kepte in the Churche of God yet are no men so farre deceiued as thei that dooe binde the grace of the holie ghost to certaine places and persones For who murdered the Prophetes Who crucified Christe Thei vndoubtedlie that should haue been the chief pillers of true religion Therfore doeth not the Prophete sende the people of God to those godlesse Priestes but to the Lawe and the Prophettes Neither assuredlie hath the condicion of the Churche a long while béen any otherwaies whiles the corner stone hath been reproued by the verie chiefe builders and Antichrist hath sitten in the temple and place of God hym self What shall we now conclude Verelie that by the woorde of God all controuersies muste bee ended and that it is necessarie that the false and forged The worde of God ende of all controuersies woorde bee iudged from the true like as also the true churche from the false and adulterous and the Synodes and coūcelles gouerned by the holie ghost from those wherein Sathan was presidente Finallie the truthe from lyes and errours by Gods holie woorde For we muste beleue that in thynges concernyng our saluaciō we haue no The want of the word the original of all errours where els the truthe reueiled The whiche thynges beyng true if followeth that that thyng is moste certain whiche I said in the beginning moste noble Prince to bee the originalle whence all these euils did flowe wherwith in our fathers daies the churche was almoste oppressed and therefore that this onelie is the waie and mean to raise it vp again if by the pure word of God these controuersies maie bee decided For so will it come to passe that of the moste parte of those thynges there shal bee no question at all aboute the whiche yet at this daie verie many partly by ignoraunce partly through malice and frowardnesse dooe moste stubbernely contende and striue And those thynges whiche shall seme to be staied by the testimonies of scriptures if thei be iudged not by custome which when it departeth from the woorde hath no aucthoritie at all in matters of religion neither by the bare aucthoritie of certaine menne bee thei newe or olde but by the comparison of the places together all the interpretaciōs beyng examined by the proporcion and rule of faithe then finallie no thyng shal bee founde so harde that shall not easily be vnderstand nothing so darke that shall not be made cleare nothyng so doubtfull that shall not bee made plaine and euidente But who shall binde men to this order who shall directe this action and who finallie shall treate these thynges by common aucthoritie It is not our purpose to prosecute these matters at this presente although whiles I often and many times dooe thinke of this matter some thynges dooe come into my mynde of the whiche it maie be that I shal haue occasion to speake at some other time Now lette vs treate that wee haue in hande Seyng then all these controuersies must be
discussed by gods holy worde I suppose that this thing ought chiefly to be prouided for that seing all can not haue the knowledge to vnderstande the woorde of God in those peculiar A good and true copy of the scriptures very necessary languages the Hebrue and the Greke whiche were to be wished that there should be some true and apt trāslacion of the olde and newe Testamente made the whiche diuers haue alredie laboured to bryng to passe but no manne hath yet sufficiētly enough performed it For the olde translacion The old texte whose so euer it is although it ought not to bee condemned yet is it founde bothe obscure and vnperfit and superfluous and also false in many places to speake nothing of an infinite varietie almoste of the copies The whiche text therfore for good cause many godlie and learned menne haue laboured to amende but not with like successe And yet how necessary a thing this is The learned Grecian fathers did not attain to the Hebrue veritie whosoeuer shall read those moste learned writers of the Grecians and shall compare their interpretacions which are many tymes farre frō the purpose with the Hebrue veritie he shall confesse it with greate sorowe And the ▪ same euill was not onelie hurtefull emonges the Latine writers but also the ignoraunce of the Greke tongue The Latin writers wer troubled for wāt of knowledge of Hebrue greke where with many of them were troubled whiles thei did depende of the common translacion thei often times seke a knot in the Rushe according to the prouerhe and fall into moste foule errours This cause therfore hath moued me to compare moste diligētlie the diuersitie of copies and to weigh the sentenses and iudgemētes of the moste part of the learned men especially of theim that this age hath brought forthe skilfull in the languages who are moe in nomber doubtles and better learned then the Churche hath had since the time of the Apostles and so to ease thē The nombre of the lerned somewhat that desire a more pure interpretaciō And that it might be doen with the more profite I haue also added annotacions in the whiche I haue also conferred together the diuersitie of interpretacions and as muche as I could I haue laboured to make plain and euidente the sense and meauyng of all the moste darke places But when as I did see that thicke woorke and very painfull as I muste nedes by experience confesse it growe so greate when it came againe to the Printyng that many could not haue the commoditie of it I caused it to bee Printed alone without those annotacions In the place whereof yet I suppose that I haue sette suche thynges the which if I could haue doen them as thei oughte to haue been dooen I would not doubt to commende them not onely as profitable but also as verie necessarie There bee twoo kindes of interpretaciōs The one is of that sorte which Two kinds of interpreters doe not consider properly the thyng it self and what is spoken but take in hande to declare with what woordes any thyng is spoken chaungyng onely the phrases the maner of speache The whiche kinde of interpretacion although it can scarsly no not at all rightly be performed of hym that vnderstandeth not the thyng it self yet standeth it in the woordes The other kinde is of them whiche dooe declare the thyng and matter it Caluine self with many woordes and geue the reasons In the whiche kinde of interpretacion in my iudgement and as I suppose in the iudgemente of all the learned that haue read his bokes that noble Ihon Caluine that man of blessed memorie and my father in Christe shal be founde so that no manne enuy my saiyng farre to haue passed and excelled all the writers bothe did and new Therefore though I some times in certaine places not in any poinct of his doctrine the whiche I haue alwayes marked to be moste pure sounds in his writynges as in any other interpreter besides but in the explicacion of certaine places doe dissent from hym yet dooe I iudge of his commentaries that which Cicero did iudge of Iulius Caesars commentaries in a kind of writing farre vnlike that is to saie that he made all menne of any witte affraied to write after him And would to God that wée that are ministers in Christes churche through the 〈◊〉 of God and I my self especially might be occupied in learnyng and teaching rather then in writing But what shal we doe The importunitie of certaine of our aduersaries against whose practises it is necessarie that the louers of the truthe by all meanes oppose them selues doeth partly driue vs herevnto least the simple bee trapped at vnwares and partly Charitie whiche doeth admonishe vs to applie to the profite of our brethren what soeuer we haue receiued Now verie many haue seemed vnto me either because it is so or because I am deceiued to faile muche in this that in the particular rehersals of the Euangelicall and Appostolical The cheife points of christian Religiō and the order of the writers are to be obserued historie in to that whiche is diuided doubtles by moste diuine arte thei do not marke nor cōsider to what poinct chiefly of christian religiō euery thing ought to bee referred muche lesse also in those moste graue disputacions in the Epistles of thapostles whiche are written as is moste true with an excellente order do thei cōsider what is the state of theim what is the order or finally what is the ende and purpose herof commeth it that in some of their writinges neither hed nor foote appereth many tymes And thei leauyng the scope and purpose wander to certaine notes and obseruacions confusedly and without order heaped together So that in many places of moste importaunce no regarde is had to the sentence it self This is the cause that in Paule cheifly who yet had as great a skill iudgement in writing as any writer that Paul of most diuine iudgement hath written most orderly euer did write vnlearned and vnskilfull men haue dreamed hertofore to be infinitie Hiperbatons and Anantapo dotons sentences and wordes not answering out to an other and haue in their commentaries vpon him euery where to their owne shame still inculcated the same in so muche that certainly this moste excellent declarer of gods secrets was no more knowen in the scholes then if he had lefte no monumentes nor writinges yea many did flye from him as from a rocke for feare of shipwrake Wherfore that I might fynde a remedy for this mischiefe I haue endeuored my selfe as much as in me lyeth to note the brefe Bezas annotations summaries of doctrine in the historie matters that who so euer shall saile as it were in that see maye marke a hauen before their eies where vnto thei may directe their course And in the Epistles I haue labored that the scope and order of arguments and the