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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

that is to say notwithstanding my prayer for thee thou thy selfe shalt denie me and thy successors shall be heretickes Idolaters and ●unnagates from me Ta. Make you what cauels you list in this matter I doe conclude that the rulers of the Church must needes haue the holy Ghost Pa. A happy conclusion for him that weares a mytre and by this we may perceiue how probable it is that the Pope can not erre Ta. The Pope is the head of the Church and Christes Vicar generall heere vpon earth and in matters of faith the Pope can not erre Pa. It is truely to bee proued that not onely the Popes but that wholl Councels haue sometimes erred Ta. That a Councell may erre I will not gaine say but for a Pope to be an hereticke were strange to bee told Pa. No wonder at all if your owne stories be true Honorius dyed an hereticke and was accursed after his death for heresie by a generall Counsell Ta. Well if it were so there is but one and one swallow they say maketh no summer Pa. Why then there was one Pope that was a noted heretick but if I should speake of many other abhominations that haue beene committed by Popes sithens your third Bonifacius obteyned from that Paricide Phocas the title of supremacy were infinite to bee spoken of and that the greatest number of your Popes for these 600. yeares last past haue not entered by Canonicall election but by violence sedition corruption and bribery Let your renowmed Abreuiator Apostolicus Platina beare witnes who complaineth The Popedome sayth he was come to that passe that he that could doe most with ambition or bribery he onely obteyned the papall dignitie Ta. This is but one doctors opinion trifles of no account the malicious reportes of heretickes Pa. Then I perceiue one swallow wil make no summer with you nor one doctors opinion receiued in a matter of truth but will you accept of good company what say you to Sigebertus Marianus Scotus Martinus and your holy Abbot Barnarde that haue all of them inucied against your Pope insomuch that Frier Mantuan rayleth at Rome it selfe giuing this admonishment you that wish to liue godly depart from Rome for all thinges are there suffered saue godlines Ta. The Citty of Rome hath beene renowmed both for learning and religion Pa The Citty of Rome is now infamed for all maner of abhomination Ta. Rome beareth the same name shee did 12. hundred yeares agoe and why should shee not chalenge the same vertues which then shee had Pa. Ierusalem was sometimes the holy citty but nowe shee is become a shameles strumpet and Niniuie was spared for her true repentance but sithens confounded for her disobedience Ta. You are so full of scripture Patricke that there is no dealing with you but if your Colledge doth teach this doctrine I can tell you it will cracke your credite amongst your friendes heere in Ireland but that paltry Schoolehouse will doe much harme heere in Ireland it breedeth vpp heretickes apace but if good counsayle might be accepted I could aduise you of such a course that howsoeuer it would be auayleable for your profit I am sure it would much better your credit Pa. Good counsayle comes neuer out of season to a wise man and as he may bee esteemed for a friend that will aduise it so he is no lesse happy that hath wisedome to follow it Ta. Then to shew my selfe a friend vnfeined and to make you happy if you will not front your owne fortune the matter that I would induce you vnto is to spende some three or foure yeares study in any one of the Popes Seminaries where you shoulde find a more readie and exact method maner of teaching then hitherto you haue beene aquainted with all and that forme of education and training vp as your Colledge at Dubline will neuer be able to afford Pa. You meane amongst the Iesuites Ta. I meane amongst the Iesuites that holy societie who for their great learning and godly conuersation are aboue all others most esteemed and renowmed there you shall not onely perfect your owne knowledge with diuine wisedome and vnderstanding but you shall be further enabled for the good of your country where at your returne you shall be receiued and entertained by the best inhabitants not onely of the English people but throughout the whole realme of Ireland who would not only receiue you into their houses but who soeuer did sit at the table your place should sure be aboue the salt Pa. The sum of all is this you woulde haue mee to leaue my studie heere at the Colledge and for the bettering of mine vnderstanding I should trauaile to Rome or to Remes there to bee instructed amongst the Iesuites Ta. You shall there both inrich your minde with knowledge and aduance your credite with a reuerent estimation Pa. Your Iesuites indeede are so famous for their learning that they can make themselues blinde by seeing too much they can set the holy scriptures at a iarre and they are as curious in searching out the vertue of the wordes as they be carefull to subuert the wordes of the truth what is it which they can not vtterly ouerthrow with their fiery blastes of thundering wordes by their engins of Definitions Distinctions Diuisions Sylogismes Figures Allegories then they haue so many generals and specials with such glosinges and expoundings that they will presume to measure Gods word and his workes with their logicall Sophismes The puritie of religion is inspired from aboue and not to be comprehended by diuiding defining compoūding nor by any other sophisticall manner of contending A miserable and a most vngratious study that doth nothing else but study how to erre Who are they but your Iesuites that haue brought the cause of Christ to a meere brabble of wordes whom neyther the weakenes of their owne cause nor the force of the truth nor the defence thereof so many times approued against them by the Authoritie of holy scriptures can content or disswade them to forsake the way of their contentions but that they are still whetting themselues to trouble the Church of God and to inuey against the truth Ta. You were best to take a little breath Patricke and then you may fall to your rayling againe was there euer a more malicious invectiue breathed out against that holy societi that all the world doth admire aswell for their learning as for their integritie of life Pa. I doe not maruell Sir Tady though the night Owle that hath but a scriking voyce her selfe should sometimes commend the Cuckoe for her sweete and pleasant singing Ta. And the Cuckoe for a plaine song may compare with your Nightingall Pa. So might Pan with Apollo by the iudgement of Midas Ta. I see you are too confident in your owne conceit I wisht you well and I would I coulde haue preuailed with you for your owne good Pa. I am afraid you doe preuaile with too many that by these alurements you

is enough they both of them ac knowledge a reall presence to the mouth and teeth but nowe comes Bonauenture he affirmeth flatly that he is no lesse present in the stomacke then he is in the mouth marry whether he goes downe to the belly or noe he stands in doubt because of the diuersitie of opinions that are holden and yet he liketh not That the body of Christ should go into the belly of a mouse or be cast forth by the drought And heere hee sheweth a Catholicke reason why Because the eares of well disposed persons would abhorre that and heretickes and Infidels would iest at it and laugh vs to scorne that would defend it But Alexander de Hales in despight of heretickes and infidels both doth confidently affirme that if a dogg or a hogg should eate the wholl consecrated Host is no cause sayth he but the Lordes body should goe there withall into the belly of that dogg or hogg But now amongst the rest blessed Thomas Aquinas that holy Saint doth sharpely reproue those that thinke contrary Some haue sayd sayth he that as soone as the sacrament is taken of a mouse or a dog straight way the body blood of Christ doth cease to be there but this is a derogation to the truth of this Sacrament Pa. But tell mee truth Syr Tady haue you not wronged those Authors that you haue heere named haue you cited their words no other wise then they themselues haue set them downe Ta. Now God and our blessed Lady defend that I shoulde so iniurie them it were a shame for mee to belie them their owne workes are extant and to bee seene and there are a huge swarme of others a wholl sect of Thomistes that doe vphold all these positions enough to make all the protestants that be in Ireland to blush but that they are past shame But amongst the rest and for the better credit to the cause Antonius Arch-Bishop of Florence and Petrus de ṗludo ioyned both together affirming that the body of Christ may not onely bee eaten of a mouse but also it may be vomited vp by the mouth and purged downe to the draught these bee their owne wordes Therefore the body and bloud of Christ remayne in the belly or stomacke or vomit or in whatsoeuer course of nature so long as the shews of bread and wine remaine if they be vomitted or purged before they be altered as sometimes with those that are troubled with the flux euen there is the body of Christ Pa. O peace Syr Tady no more for the shame of your selfe of all the papistes in the worlde bee these the nuttes you haue to cracke O loathsome stuffe vnfitte to be spoken of mine cares doe glow to heare these grosse and barbarous repetitions is this the reall presence that you so much striue for are these the learned authorities which you so highly extoll call you these Saintes that doe teach such filthy and loathsome diuinitie no maruel though you account traytors for martyrs when your Pope hath such cunning to make Saints of blasphemers Ta. I tell thee true that some of these that I haue named are Saints Canonized by the Church of Rome and for the diuinitie they haue taught and spread if it were not sound religious and holy doe you thinke it could passe as it doth ratified confirmed and approued by the mother Church so many yeares vncorrected or vncontrould But I cannot blame ye though you blush you may well bee ashamed to see our holy Masse that so many heretickes doe seeke to impugne howe it is established vpholden and fortified by no meane nor simple authoritie I warrant yee Pa. I see indeed that those that haue no regard of their cōsciēces before God haue lesse care of their credites before men but it is time to giue ouer reasoning with papistes when they seeke out such nuttes as these be for protestants to cracke and some other busines calling me away I will therefore leaue you Ta. Well Patricke then for a parting blowe let me aduise thee yet a little for thine owne good be not obstinate but be ruld by me it shall be for thy benefit Pa. What is it sir Tady to forsake my religion to turn papist Ta. A papist as you cal it but in truth a true christian a●●●cōciled childe to the Catholicke Church thou shalt thereby shewe thy selfe to be a naturall Hibernian where now thou remainest a steine to thy country what an Irishman a protestant it is Rara auis in terris I will tell thee Patricke and I will tell thee truely thou wert better to be reputed a traitor to the King then to be accounted as thou art thus open mouthed against the Pope the one perhaps may find some fewe enemies to prosecute him but the other shall find euery man readie to persecute him Pa. Syr Tady when I meane to turne traytor to the King I will followe your counsayle I will turne papist Ta. And vntill thou dost show thy selfe to be a professed papist indeede thou shalt find little friendshippe in Ireland And so farewell FINIS