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A57539 Mr. Pryn's good old cause stated and stunted 10 years ago, or, A most dangerous designe in mistating the good by mistaking the bad old cause clearly extricated and offered to the Parliament, the General Council of Officer's, the good people's and army's immediate consideration. Rogers, John, 1627-1665? 1659 (1659) Wing R1812; ESTC R34004 15,921 21

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Contest 2. That breach of Parliament was not the first Original neither of the differences betwixt the King and Parliament which we find were very Wide and High before that And all indeed upon the account of the Good Old Cause as to substance though indeed but an Embryo unformed substance to what it arose up to after But Mr. Prin gives the Go-by to all this and puts in at another Port or indeed part and that mistakenly too for the WHOLE besides 3rd even in that Declaration he refers us to pag. 38 39 40. the Parliament for the Vindication of their worthy Members do assert the Liberties and Rights of the people before mentioned as much as the Priviledges of Parliament 3. In the Matter or Merit of the Cause by the Declarations of the Lords and Commons Jun. 10 1648. he thinks to Win all at one throw because the raising of the Militia and after that an Army by the Propositions for Money Plate Horse Arms and men was for King and Parliament and for the suppressing of the Traiterous designe of his wicked and Malignant Counsellors and to maintain the Protestant Religion the Kings Authority and person in Royal Dignity the free course of Justice and Laws of the LAND Peac● of the Kingdome and Priviledges of Parliament and here saith he you have the Good Old Cause truely clearly and fully stated by both Houses of Parliament in every particular branch thereof But let us a little unravel and Ex●ricate the matter and ground of the quarrel between us and the King from his Fallacies Extra Dictionem as well as in Dictione we do not deny but here the Good Old Cause appeared Yet not so fully truely and every Branch thereof stated as Mr. Prin affirms or as it grew up unto afterward both in Parli●ment Army and Nation yet in a sense or secundum quid it did appear thus 1. For King and Parliament together as the Supream Counsel of the Nation And yet at the same time too AGAINST the King so f●rre as he was inseparable from his Evil and wicked Malignant Counsellours the reason is this because the Majestas Realis or Tutilari● the Protecting Real Authority and Majesty of the King was with the Parliament all along though the titularis was with his own person and evil Counsellors So that they must needs carry on All in the Name and Authority too of King and Parliament so long a● Kingship lasted Therefore when the King in person entred the Parliament and demanded the five Members the Parliament declared Jan. 17. 1641. the same was a Traiterous Designe against King and Parliament For indeed they were both in the Authority and Majesty Real so long as the King adhered to his Evil Counsel They fought not against his Real Majestie but denied that he had it with his Evil Counsellors whom they engaged against and so against all that could not be separated therefrom See the Declaration of Lords and Commons for I must meddle with no other to Mr. Prin's Cause they close it thus So that it rests onely that the FREE-BORN English do consider whether they Will adhere to the King and his Parliament by which they have so long enjoyed all that is dear to them Or to the King seduced by Jesuitical Counsel and Cavaliers who have designed all to slavery and confusion which by Gods bl●ssing and our joynt endeavours may be timely prevented 2. To maintain Religion the Kings Person and Authority Both Houses of Parliament the Laws and Liberties of the people i. e. so farre as they could consist or be kept together was the CAUSE but when that was impossible and could not be effected no not by all the Remonstrances Intreaties Messages Treaties or Means used day and night for that purpose Th●n their Work was to maintain what they could of it viz. the Liberties of the people and their Representatives and this was the GOOD OLD CAUSE To sa●isfie Mr. Prin if it may be by the Resolves of Parliament when both Houses sat 20 May 1642. Resolved That whensoever the King maketh Warre upon the Parliament it is a breach of the trust Repos●d in him by his people contrary to his Oath and tendeth to the dissolution of this Government i. e. Ki●gly Government and Was not this the Good Old Cause I pray Even in Mr. Prin's own account Anno 1642. though it be not now The Consequent of the Argument is obvious to every eye If the King made the Warre upon the Parliament it tended to the Dissolution of his Kingly Government But the King made the Warre upon the Parliament by Mr. Prins and Mr. Baxter's own Concession who say the Parliament w●re on the Defensive and by their own Argument it must be then the Good Old Cause which stands upon the dissolution of that old Government viz. King Lords and Commons and which maintains now in sensu Composito all the Rights and Liberties of People and Parliament though the Kingly Government be lost and dissolved by his own Wars 3. And although there be a truth yet it is not all the truth that Mr. Prin sayes but with fall●ciâ Accidentis and improperly seeing the predicated Liberty and Rights of the People require neither a House of Lords nor Court I mean of King to the Essence of them This form of Government by King Lords and Commons being laid in the thick of Popery by King Henry 1. for the Popes Interest as well as his own Mr. Prin cannot deny which merits the denomination of his Good Old Cause This indeed was hatch'd and laid by the Romish Gibeonites but not ours of the Commonwealth And the truth is if we desire to be reduced to dark Popery and stark Slavery Mr. Prin's Good Old Cause is then the best But will he weigh the Grounds upon which the most Honourable Parliament that ever went before it declared the House of Lords dissolved as well as Kingship March 19. 1648. The Commons of England Assembled in Parliament finding by too long experience the House of Lords is uselesse and dangerous to the People of England So upon March 17. 1648. Whereas by the Abolition of the Kingly Office a most happy Way is made for this Nation if God see it good to return to its just and Antient Right of being Governed by its own Repres●ntatives National Meetings in Council from time to time c. This was all upon the account of the Good Old Cause and is indeed the True Old Cause first contended for in the more inform substance of it now in a better excrescence of Beauty and Perfection above what before appeared And if Mr. Prin or Mr. Baxter can make it appear this was plotted by the Jesuits as we can theirs by Papists I shall become their Proselyte in the state of the Case but if that yet he will maintain the House of Lords in the foundation of them I must desire him to reconcile himself to himself or his present Argument with