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bishop_n and_o it_o shall_v seem_v thereby_o that_o he_o have_v not_o much_o consider_v s._n thomas_n his_o doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n for_o that_o this_o learned_a doctor_n say_v 1.2.3_o d._n th._n libr._n 4._o gent._n c._n 76._o n._n 4.1_o p._n q._n 108._o art_n 1.2.3_o that_o the_o church_n militant_a be_v derive_v by_o similitude_n from_o the_o triumphant_a and_o he_o say_v also_o that_o every_o order_n of_o the_o angel_n consist_v of_o diverse_a angel_n subordinate_a to_o one_o prince_n who_o in_o this_o doctor_n opinion_n be_v high_a and_o perfect_a in_o nature_n they_o the_o rest_n and_o be_v the_o particular_a prince_n of_o that_o order_n and_o all_o the_o order_n with_o their_o particular_a prince_n be_v subject_a to_o one_o supreme_a angel_n who_o be_v prince_n of_o the_o three_o hierarchy_n and_o nine_o order_n of_o angel_n and_o therefore_o in_o the_o church_n militant_a in_o every_o notable_a part_n of_o it_o there_o must_v be_v and_o most_o common_o be_v a_o bishop_n a_o spiritual_a prince_n of_o that_o church_n and_o all_o the_o particular_a church_n with_o their_o particular_a hierarche_n and_o bishop_n be_v subordinate_a to_o one_o supreme_a bishop_n the_o pope_n as_o m._n doctor_n have_v prove_v in_o the_o 3._o and_o 4._o chapter_n of_o his_o hierarchy_n and_o therefore_o in_o his_o 2._o chapter_n he_o say_v that_o the_o church_n be_v compare_v to_o a_o kingdom_n in_o which_o beside_o the_o king_n be_v duke_n earl_n marquis_n baron_n etc._n etc._n who_o be_v prince_n in_o their_o kind_n of_o their_o particular_a dominion_n and_o all_o be_v with_o their_o dominion_n &_o lordship_n subordinate_a to_o the_o king_n and_o if_o any_o of_o these_o particular_a dominion_n be_v quite_o deprive_v of_o their_o duke_n or_o earl_n they_o be_v no_o more_o dutchy_n or_o earldom_n though_o still_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o so_o that_o particular_a province_n deprive_v of_o its_o duke_n or_o earl_n give_v not_o that_o lustre_n to_o the_o 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