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A62992 A letter to Mr. Mead, in answer to several unscriptural, and unsound sayings of his in a sermon against the seventh-day-sabbath, preached at his place of meeting, the twenty third of the second month. 1682. Wrote the same day the sermon was preached, refuting his arguments, and turning them back, making their unskilfulness and weakness manifest; and clearly evidencing, that the seventh-day is the sabbath day; by clear scripture-testimony, and sound arguments grounded thereon. Published for his hearers, because he would neither hear an objection in publick, nor admit of a conference in private. Tovey, W. 1682 (1682) Wing T1957B; ESTC R222359 11,750 16

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A LETTER TO M R. MEAD IN ANSWER to several Unscriptural and Unsound Sayings of his in a Sermon against the Seventh-Day-Sabbath Preached at his Place of Meeting the Twenty Third of the Second Month. 1682. WROTE the same Day the Sermon was Preached refuting his Arguments and turning them back making their Unskilfulness and Weakness manifest and clearly Evidencing That the Seventh-Day is the Sabbath Day by clear Scripture-Testimony and sound Arguments grounded thereon Published for his Hearers because he would neither hear an Objection in Publick nor admit of a Conference in Private Prov. 27. 5. Open Rebuke is better than secret Love. London Printed for the Author and are to be Sold by John Lawrence at the Angel in Cornhil near the Royal-Exchange A Prefatory Epistle TO Mr. Meads Hearers Men Brethren and Fathers AND all you that heard him that day Read the Defence which I make for my self in this Practise you are my Witnesses especially such of you as were near me how I behaved my self in your Assembly giving no disturbance or cause of offence to any Man but listening attentively to the Word spoken lest I should let any of it slip And when the Sermon was ended I stood up and assayed to speak but a Psalm being called I abode in silence until the whole Service was over and then I stood up and Meekly Reverently and Submissively craved leave to speak to which Mr. Mead answered That I had no Call to speak there And I replyed He would better judge of that when he had heard what I had to say for he knew not but I might Report that God was in you of a Truth 1 Cor. 14. 25. but I was again repulsed and denyed leave to speak Wherefore I went away peaceably neither with Noise or Tumult And as I went forth several of you witnessed That I spake modestly and wished that I had been heard and others of you gave me assurance That Mr. Mead would be ready and free to have private Conference with me and urged me to take a convenient Season to go to him upon which I hasted home and the same Afternoon wrote a large Letter to him and I have Printed my Letter herewith that you may judge betwixt us For receiving no Answer to my Letter neither in publick for he omitted Preaching the next First-Day nor in private I took a Friend with me and went to his House and told him I was the Man that in his publick Assembly desired leave to speak and had since Wrote unto him and receiving no Answer to my Letter I made bold to wait upon him for it At which he Majesterially asked me as the Chief Priest asked our Lord Jesus Christ By what Authority I spake in his Meeting At which I wonderingly repeated his words And he replyed demandingly Ay I ask you by what Authority And said farther That I made a Disturbance in the Worship of God and occasioned a Scandal to be cast upon them To which I mildly answered That I made no Disturbance in the Worship of God neither gave any occasion of Scandal and that I spake by the Authority of the Scriptures and pulled out my Bible to shew from the Scriptures that my Practise therein was to be justified But he not caring to have an Authentical Answer to His Majesterial Demand Pilate like John 18. 38. went off from that and told me I had Notoriously Abused him in my Letter calling him ignorant Fellow and asking him if he were not ashamed To which I answered That I did not call him ignorant fellow but to say he was ignorant of this or that I thought no crime and hoped he would acknowledge his ignorance in some things and indeed ignorance is the fairest excuse that can be made for him and I hope he would be ashamed of an Error and I wondered that he should so Treat me but he said he had shewn my Letter to my Betters and his too and that he had a sufficient account of me what a fellow I was insinuating as if he had heard some ill thing of me but mentioning nothing but I knew he that reproved a Scorner would get to himself a Blot And I urged to have an Answer to my Arguments but he ignorantly told me I deserved no other answer but to be sent to the House of Correction and he could spend his time better than to talk with such a fellow and so he shewed me the way to the Door And more such like words he gave me though I gave him no one provoking word but Debased my self to Gain upon him because I had heard he was a Proud High-minded Man. When he said I deserved to be sent to the House of Correction I answered him That I was glad he had not Power And so I am for if he had power I might have a Scandalum Magnatum brought against me of more Hundred Pounds Damage than I am worth though the Letter was privately sent to his own hand and he suffered no damage at all It may be some of you will not know how to bear my Plain-dealing with the Man you so much Love but how do you think I can bear being threatned with a House of Correction a place for vagrant Rogues and not for a Man that is well known and lives in good Repute whose Wife and Children and Servants are all an Honour to him How do you think such a Man can bear such Majesterial Threats from one that hath no power over him and how provoking was it to be despised and scorned as not worthy to be spoke to and how unlike humble Paul was it to carry it thus for Paul became all things to all Men that he might by any means Save some If any of you do judge my Stile too harsh I desire you will weigh his Carriage to me in the same Ballance and for what was suggested against me I told him it was a light thing with me to be Judged of Mans Judgement but let them that Accuse me speak nothing but the truth and I challenge them to search my whole Life and publish my Crimes if they themselves be not guilty of them through Mercy I have been kept from the common Pollutions of the Times and Corruptions in my Calling fraudulent Dealing and Vsury and of this I have Witness And I am sure the worst he could hear of me was that I am a Passionate Man Ay I am perswaded that was the account he had of me for he took a ready course to be too hard for a Collerick Man but he did not magnify his Office therein I do not glory in my Passion or count it a light Sin but write it to my shame that he may not think I exalt my self above him when I would have him be ashamed of any Error he committed and if an Enemy will discover any Sin in me that I do not see in my self I will count him my Friend therein Nay though he do it out of Mallice I will
one natural day unless you had clearer Evidence that it was so But doth not this day evidently relate to that providential day of the Lord Christs Appearing in the fulfilling of this Prophesie for this manifestation by Vision and by Voice to John was as if the thing had been acted and performed before his Face as if the day of the performance of those Prophesies had been come He was so in that day in the Spirit that it was to him made Real and that not only to Faith but to outward Sences and this providential day has many dayes and years in it Now you are Retired from your task in the Pulpit do you not see how like a drowning man you caught at every straw to uphold your Cause but it sinks and falls before Christ's triumphant VVord But here is one broken Reed more you had to lean upon your Fourth Argument You said the Promises to the Observers of the Seventh-Day-Sabbath and threatnings against the Transgressors of it were transferred to the First-Day But how did you go to prove it not by Scripture which is profitable for Doctrine but by Experience O said you Who are the People that are blessed in soul and in body and estate but the conscientious Observers of the First-Day But pray Sir consider Did not the Lord manifest himself once and again to Solomon at the High Place and bless him in soul body estate and all Should he therefore conclude and say The blessing is transferred from the place of Instituted VVorship to the forbidden High-Place and therfore that is to be gone to when there is an express word of the Lord transgressed in so doing if the Lord should not over-look sins in his People when would he ever manifest himself to them and for the judgments inflicted on those who had a conscience of sin in the prophaning the day and yet dareingly did it there is no Argument in it nay you make the same thing an Argument against the Seventh-Day-Sabbath for said you If the Seventh-Day-Sabbath be Observed then the penalty against Transgressors must be observed Then said you we should have stoneing work in our streets When as you had but one Scripture-instance of the executing the penalty on the Transgressor of the Law of the Sabbath and it was done at the Word of Jehovah the Judgment was the Lords it should make you fear to offend and not fear to obey And though that be such a Bug-bear to fright off your Hearers from the Seventh-Day-Sabbath yet you say the transferring the Penalty from the Seventh Day to the First is an Argument for the first-day being the Sabbath But to let your Argument run upon its own feet it will be thus That Sabbath-day that has such a penalty Annexed to it is not to be owned under the Gospel but the penalty annexed to the Seventh-day is transferred to the first day Therefore the first-day is not to be owned for a Sabbath under the Gospel Is not this your Position and the natural Consequence Does it not turn upon you But I will not let you have the last word therefore I will add this farther Does not the Scripture Record the like punishing of transgressors of the rest of the Commands must they therefore be Rejected will you stand it out against the Lord to escape his stroaks It will be hard for you to kick against the Goads Therefore close in with him by timely Repentance and lay hold of his strength and make peace with Him and you shall make peace with Him. The Lord will not be trifled with neither do I trifle with you unless you give me a satisfactory Reply by Letter or Answer my Objections one way or other the next First-day you may Expect I will take some other Method to make my Objections known to your Hearers From my House in East-Smithfield at the Golden-Hart 2d Month 23d at Evening 82. W. Tovey POSTSCRIT THe 14th of the 3d. Month in the Morning I caused several of these Letters c. to be given to Mr. Meads Hearers but when he came to Preach in the Afternoon I hear he took no Notice of my Arguments but used several Raileries And Paraphrasing upon my Trade said I call'd my self Gold Smith but my Gold was Copper But although I did not call my self Gold-Smith to him yet that is my Calling and my Gold is Standard if it were Copper why did he not lay it to the Touch-stone of the Word and make it Manifest For There things will appear in their true Colours No he would be excused from that Task because I would not let Him have the last word in My Letter But I think he is better skilled at Scoffing than at trying Doctrines by the Word else Why did he use that old proverb Who so bold as blind Bayard But I seriously commend that Old Scripture to his consideraiton Isa 42. 18 to the end Who Blind but 〈◊〉 Servant or Deaf as my Messenger c.