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A96887 A conference of some Christians in church-fellow-ship, about the way of Christ with his people, and the result therefrom. This serveth only by way of introduction to take off the reproaches, that are cast upon pastour and people, whose earnest care and endeavour is to walke with a right foote in that holy way. Which is held forth here by the light of the sacred Scripture, as it appeares unto them, and how curious and circumspect their walke should be, who pretend to it, and to walke therein. The scandalls in and against the way are removed as they could be. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675. 1656 (1656) Wing W3485; Thomason E868_4; ESTC R207653 29,701 36

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matters were so handled and with that clearenesse of Evidence Who were to be admitted to the Table of the Lord and who not that some were taken off from their eager pursuite that way And others the most having nothing else left them went on after their manner Contradicting and blaspheming Now vvhich must be added though wee need not tell you vvhat was done in this place before for indeed vvee spare you because wee revereuce you yet it is knowne all the Country over vvhat is done in those matters within a Mile and lesse from this place vvhere the Sacraments are given to him and them vvho are as ignorant as Ignorance it selfe as rebellious as Rebellion it selfe Et illud quod dicere nolo Now then that Ministers practise is so contrary to the light shining forth from the Scriptures forementioned after which through Grace our Minister orders every step of his way as that his way is as contrary to that man's vvay for we delight not to call him a Minister as light is to darknesse Christ to Beliall the Temple of God to Idolls Then what agreement betwixt these two vvho stand as opposite as to their judgement at least to their practise for possible video meliora as doe the two Poles North and South Therefore it is strange to us to heare it said by you from him and wee beleive you That our Minister returnes from him very well satisfied It was answered before be pleased to take this more That our Minister can no more come downe to his practise then a Mountaine can come downe and throw it selfe into the Sea or the two Poles meet Wee proceed to another thing which as is said doth but cause strife and serveth not to edifie Now of this judge you by that vvhich followes He observed as vvho doth not the Lords day presumptuously sleighted and prophaned and Christmas-day highly honoured now to shew the iniquity of this he preached up the one and almost vvith the same breath he cast downe the other Be pleased to take his Scriptures here also Gen 2. 2. Exod. 20. 8. Isa 58. 13. and to lay his Batteryes against the other Idol-day he chose these Scriptures Ioh 4. 22. Gal 4. 9 10 11 12. This will fall to be one cheife part of our vvorke anon and so wee leave it Onely the reproaches cast upon him for this his Faithfullnesse tohis Lord puts us in mind of what wee have heard That there was a good man accused for preaching a seditious Sermon as was suggested but proofe failing and not a word thorough the vvhole Sermon giving the least evidence thereto The accuser spake openly and as impudently If the Sermon was not then the Text was seditious And the same is urged against him opening the Lords Prayer vvhich though necessarily to be done yet was he tantum non compelled thereunto so unwilling sometimes a man may be to doe his duty yet being pressed to give his reasons for his not using of it as others doe he set upon it and not rushing on it but after he had delivered the doctrine of Faith in a Catechisticall way from severall Scriptures taking them much afterthe order as they are in that we commonly call the Creed And truly he gave such reasons why he saith not that prayer at the end of his and why aGodly Minister should not so doe nor a godly man take it into his Closet where he is seeking the face of his God as that we are fully satisfied thereby that so it ought not to be said as commonly and cursorily it useth to be And withall he gave us such reasons why a wicked man ought not to say that prayer at all that we have concluded ever since we heard them That a wicked man hath no more to doe with the Lords Prayer then he hath with the blessed Cup and body at the Lords Table The one is as uncomely for his uncleane lips as is the other for his filthy hands But this will be the worke of the fourth Section Now if it be asked by the way vvhat is all this to the preaching of Christ Crucified the preachers Text and so he openeth the whole Counsell of God To this wee shall humbly reply much every way It is true nothing but Christ is to be preached unto Men as an object of their Faith or as our learned Rainolds and holy Sibbes saith a necessary Element of Salvation Nothing but Christ Jesus the Lord is the summe and Centre of all divine revealed Truth But there are other matters which are to be preached being reductive to Christ and which meet in him And whether those things forementioned 1. Relating to Admission to the Sacraments 2. To His onely holy day and 3. To His prayer are not reductive to Christ and meet in him is left to the Judgement of the Godly-wise Thus farre as duty binde us more there is but it is left to the Closet He as every good Man in matters of this Nature appeales to Gods judgement and to that wee must stand and wee shall doe well to minde those Scriptures well we reade Rom 14. 4. 10. Who art thou c. and why dost thou c. And so much for our Minister to vindicate him And give us leave we pray you to Apologize a little for this much wee protest before the living God the searcher of all hearts we have done it very unwillingly and have mooved as heavily here as is well Imaginable But Sir you have compelled us from without and our love to Christ and the prosperity of his Gospell hath compelled us from within knowing and fully assured That nothing hath so obstructed the running thereof amongst us as have the Differences betwixt you two The nearer the conjunction should be the more dangerous the discord is wee may allude to it for the Divisions betwixt you there are great thoughts of heart amongst those that seeme godly we hope they more then seeme Now whence the rise of these or what hath caused them The Lord be Judge and help you to judge your selfe about it He doth not doe as to sacred administrations as you did why should this Cause a Difference You walked according to your light so doth he according to his light He cannot doe as you did the word of his God to his seeming standing like the Angel with a sword in his way and speaking aloud unto him if thou goest that broad way I le slay thee Why should this make a difference Would you have him rush upon the drawne sword God forbid But you have said he makes shrewde reflections upon you and your way who can helpe that But if so which yet he knowes not of further then thus The truth is Judex sui obliqui he hath done it most unwillingly And you have it but by heare-say neither and that is commonly a loude liar and you must consider your insormers whether enemies or friends to the Gospell Wee never heard you charge him but with