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purge_v etc._n etc._n jos._n hall_n b._n of_o exon._n in_o his_o apologetical_a advertisement_n to_o the_o reader_n p._n 192._o approve_a by_o tho._n morton_n b._n then_o of_o cou._n &_o lich._n now_o of_o dâ—resm_n in_o the_o letter_n print_v by_o the_o b._n of_o exâ—ter_n in_o this_o treatise_n call_v the_o recoâ—scileâ—_n p._n 68_o and_o d._n field_n in_o this_o appen_n to_o the_o three_o part_n c._n 2._o where_o he_o cite_v calv._n to_o the_o saâ—â—t_a purpose_n l._n 4._o inst._n c._n 2._o â—_o 11._o 11._o s._n matth._n 15._o 14._o phil._n 2._o 21._o 21._o s._n aâ—g_n epist._n 48._o s._n jud._n 3._o 3._o 1_o s._n pet._n 3._o 15._o 15._o 1_o cor._n 10._o 15._o 15._o quis_fw-la non_fw-la sine_fw-la ullo_fw-la magistro_fw-la aut_fw-la interpret_v ex_fw-la se_fw-la facilè_fw-la cognoscat_fw-la etc._n etc._n novat_fw-la de_fw-fr trin._n c._n 23._o et_fw-la loquor_fw-la de_fw-fr mysterio_fw-la passionis_fw-la christ_n dijudicare_fw-la est_fw-la mensurare_fw-la etc._n etc._n unde_fw-la &_o mens_fw-la dicitur_fw-la à _fw-la metiendo_fw-la tho._n p._n 1._o q._n 79._o à _fw-la 9_o ad_fw-la 4._o to_o what_o end_n then_o be_v a_o mind_n and_o a_o understanding_n give_v a_o man_n if_o he_o may_v not_o apply_v it_o to_o measure_v truth_n et_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._o ab_fw-la to_o quod_fw-la considerate_a &_o discernit_fw-la quia_fw-la decernit_fw-la inter_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o salsum_fw-la damase_v l._n 2._o fid._n orth._n c._n 22._o and_o a._n c._n himself_o p._n 41._o deny_v not_o all_o judgement_n to_o private_a man_n but_o say_v they_o be_v not_o so_o to_o rely_v absolute_o upon_o their_o private_a judgement_n as_o to_o adventure_v salvation_n upon_o it_o alone_o or_o chief_o which_o no_o man_n will_v deny_v a._n c._n p._n 42._o 42._o veritas_fw-la uincat_fw-la necesse_fw-la est_fw-la sive_fw-la negantem_fw-la sive_fw-la conâ—itentem_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n epist._n 174._o occultari_fw-la potest_fw-la ad_fw-la tempus_fw-la veritas_fw-la vinci_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 61._o 61._o l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 4._o §._o 1._o romana_fw-la particularis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la errare_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la fide_fw-la ibid_fw-la §._o 2._o 2._o navigare_fw-la audent_fw-la ad_fw-la petri_n cathedram_fw-la &_o ecclesiam_fw-la principalem_fw-la etc._n etc._n nec_fw-la cogitare_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la romanos_fw-la ad_fw-la quos_fw-la persidia_fw-la habere_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la accessum_fw-la cyprian_a l._n 1._o epist._n 3._o 3._o bin._n council_n tom._n 1._o p._n 152._o edit_fw-la paris_n 1636._o baron_fw-fr annal._n 253_o 254_o 255._o 255._o rom._n 1._o 8._o 8._o ego_fw-la tibi_fw-la istam_fw-la scelestam_fw-la scelus_fw-la linguam_fw-la abscindam_fw-la plaut_n amphit_n exit_fw-la hac_fw-la enim_fw-la parte_fw-la pudor_fw-la pugnat_fw-la illinc_fw-la petulantia_fw-la etc._n etc._n cic._n latuit_fw-la plebeio_fw-la tectus_fw-la amictu_fw-la omnis_fw-la honos_fw-la nullos_fw-la comitata_fw-la est_fw-la purpura_fw-la fasces_fw-la lucan_n l._n 2._o 2._o nec_fw-la cogitare_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la romanos_fw-la quorum_fw-la fides_fw-la apostolo_n praedicante_fw-la &c_n &c_n &c_n epist._n 67._o 67._o for_o so_o s._n cyprian_n begin_v his_o epistle_n to_o cornelius_n legi_fw-la literas_fw-la tuas_fw-la frater_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o after_o sed_fw-la enim_fw-la lectâ_fw-la alia_fw-la epistolâ_fw-la tuâ_fw-la frater_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n cypr._n l._n 1._o epist._n 3._o 3._o stephanus_n frater_fw-la noster_fw-la haereticorum_fw-la causam_fw-la contra_fw-la christianos_n &_o contra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la dei_fw-la asserere_fw-la conatur_fw-la cypr._n ad_fw-la pompeium_n contra_fw-la epist._n stephani_fw-la edit_fw-la per_fw-la erasmum_fw-la basil_n p._n 327._o 327._o stephani_fw-la fratris_fw-la nostri_fw-la obstinatio_fw-la dura_fw-la ibid._n p._n 329._o and_o it_o will_v be_v mark_v by_o the_o jesuit_n and_o his_o a._n c._n that_o still_o it_o be_v stephani_fw-la fratris_fw-la nostri_fw-la and_o not_o capitis_fw-la or_o summi_fw-la
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