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A07880 The Popes funerall Containing a plaine, succinct, and pithy reply, to a pretensed answere of a shamelesse and foolish libell, intituled, The forerunner of Bels downfall. VVhich is nothing else indeede, (as the indifferent reader shall preceiue by the due peruse thereof,) but an euident manifestation of his owne folly; with the vtter confusion of poperie, and all popish vassals throughout the Christian world. Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1605 (1605) STC 1825; ESTC S101478 72,528 132

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that we may in manner aforesaid grapple together If he refuse this condition so reasonable so iust so indifferent no remedie but I must come vpon him with a lawe case of Nouerint vniuersi Be it knowne vnto all men that the date of his learning is out his great and flowing courage daunted and drawne drie proclaime him contemptible and banckrout hauing broken with his own dependants and creditors and expose him for a iesting-stocke to all Christian people from generation to generation world without end Amen Againe in another place hee writeth thus the Minister braggeth and braueth others to disputation either by word or writing and like a desperate coward feareth not to fight with any prouided alwaies that they be far enough off and himselfe out of al daunger haec ille Then he telleth a long tale of the Coliar of Croyden of his brethren in Wisbich and of maister Wright reproaching me charging me with cowardnesse for that I went not to them To which vnseasoned challenge and insolent bragges I answere in this maner First that he is a coward who being challenged dareth not accept nor answere the same nor he that challengeth if he be readie to performe withall whatsoeuer is contained in his challenge And consequently that not my selfe am a coward but our Libeller all other English Iesuites and Iesuited Papists That they are cowards it is apparant to the world seeing they durst neuer to this day accept my challenge and offer made vnto them albeit I offered it at the publication of my first booke to be effected either in England or in any other part of Christendome This is so cleere and euident that our Libeller graunteth the same in these wordes was hee vnwilling to take so long a iourney No iust cause of any such suspition when hee affirmeth about the like businesses with a safe conduct to repaire into any part of Christendome Thus doth hee write Now let the indifferent Readers speake the truth whether my selfe or the Iesuites and Iesuited papists are truly termed cowardes I wonder before God I speake it that they are not ashamed thus to confound themselues and to murder their owne soules and bodies desperately and malitiously by lying slaundering and couzening trickes They giue manifest signes that they are giuen vp in reprobum sensum and become the children of perdition Is hee a coward that offereth to come into any part of Christendome vpon the safe conduct of any Christian king there to make trial of that which he hath written No doubtlesse no man in his right wits will say it Yet we see that our Libelber affirmeth both the one and the other No No their combes are cut their crests are falne they stand amazed with feare their spirits rampant are made couchant their doome will soone appeare Amen Secondly that the Libellers brethren in Wisbich and maister Wright in the Clinke if their courages had not failed them would haue accepted the challenge and haue requested that the trial might haue bene made heere in England but they had no such desire Againe the Iesuites might easily haue procured a safe conduct and so haue called me beyond the Seas And that done if I had refused to performe my challenge they might with reason haue exclaimed against me But seeing their courages failed them and that they went neuer about the matter I may with great reason both exclaime and declaime against them and truly tell them all that they are cowards indeede Thirdly seeing the Recusants in Yorke refused to talke with me it gaue me iust cause to suspect that the rest would haue done the like especially seeing none of them durst vndertake to answere the challenge Fourthly the best triall is to be made by writing the reasō is euidēt for sundry respects First because the Parties may better consider the matter and lay downe their conceits more orderly Secondly because many men of good vnderstanding haue weake memories Thirdly because sundry for their present wit and excellent memorie are farre ouermatches extempore for many learned men who indeede are better learned then themselues multis parasangis Fourthly bicause the vulgar people are caried away with sugred words if they be deliuered with a flowing tongue howsoeuer they be void of truth Fiftly because the truth cannot wholy and truly be reported for that none can write so fast as words doe passe in any disputation Sixtly because littera scripta manet but wordes passe as the winde Many other reasons may bee alledged but these for this time shall suffice Lastly these things notwithstanding I haue lately sent a booke to the presse before the Libellers booke came to my hands In which booke I haue made a new challenge to all English Iesuites and Iesuited persons whosoeuer of them listeth and dareth to accept the same VVhich challenge containeth a full answere to the challenging Libeller although I had sent it toward the Presse before I either saw his challenge or heard any thing thereof VVhich challenge I doe at this present renewe afresh and doe adde this vnto the same viz. that if the Libeller or any other Iesuite or Iesuited English Papist whosoeuer shall haue a minde heart and courage with the helpe and aduise of al other Papists tagge and ragge none excepted to publish in Print a direct iust and full answere to my booke intituled the down fall of Poperie answering the booke directly and fully not omitting the chiefest groundes foundations authorities and reasons as the sillie Fidler and shamelesse Libeller hath done snatching here a peece there a peece or if he or they dare not deale with that little booke then if hee or they or any of them shall publish in Print a direct full answere either to my booke of motiues or to my booke of the suruey of Poperie leauing no ground foundation authoritie or reason vnanswered or if he or they be afraid to deale with those bookes then if he or they or any of them shal publish or cause to be published in print a direct and ful answere in maner aforesaid to my least book intituled the hunting of the Romish Foxe and shall withal put down his name at large with the vsual addition of his condition order or calling signifying to the world that hee doth accept the challenge or offer then I promise herewith vnder my hand if God shal grant me life and health to fall down prostrate vpon my knees before the feete of the most mightie wise learned and religious Monarch Iames by Gods holy Ordinance King of great Britaine France Ireland and my most gracious Soueraigne then and there most humbly to request a safe conduct for his safe comming safe abiding and safe returning that shall accept the challenge in maner aforesaid and withall performe the answere in manner aforesaide And I protest vppon my saluation to doe with a willing minde and cheerefull heart so much as in me
THE POPES Funerall Containing a plaine succinct and pithy reply to a pretensed answere of a shamelesse and foolish Libell intituled The Forerunner of Bels downfall VVhich is nothing else indeede as the indifferent Reader shall perceiue by the due peruse thereof but an euident manifestation of his owne folly ith the vtter confusion of Poperie and all popish vassals throughout the Christian world 2. Reg. 9. V. 34. Visit yonder cursed woman and burie her for she is a Kings daughter Psal. 58.10 The righteous shall reioyce when he seeth the vengeance of the wicked he shall wash his feete in the blood of the vngodly LONDON Printed by T. C. For William Welby and are to be sold at his shop in Paules Church-yard at the signe of the Grayhound 1605. ❧ To the most puissant wise vertuous learned iudicious and religious Monarch Iames by Gods holy prouidēce and eternal purpose King of great Britain France and Ireland most constant defendor of the auncient Christian Catholike Apostolique Faith and supreme gouernour within his said Realmes Kingdomes territories and Dominions next and immediately vnder the King of heauen ouer all persons and ouer all causes aswell Ecclesiasticall as ciuill GReat is the deepenesse most gracious Soueraigne of the wisedome and knowledge of the euerliuing God vnsearchable are his iudgements his waies past finding out Hee bindeth the waters in his Clouds and the cloud is not broken vnder them He so limiteth the floods that they neither doe nor can ouerflowe He shut vp the Sea with doores when it issued forth as out of the wombe His decree staied her proud waues appointed her bounds whether she should come but no farther He doth great vnsearchable and maruellous things without number Yea his mercies and fauours towards my sillie selfe a most wretched creature and vnworthie for any desert in my selfe to tread vppon the ground are so many so great and so wonderfull that I stand amazed at the remembrance thereof being farre vnable with Penne and Inke to expresse the same The rehearsall of one may suffice for the present Being student at Rome in the English Colledge not long afore my arriuall in this Kingdome and on a time walking abroad to take the ayre with many other of the same Colledge when we came without one of the Posterne gates of the Citie we espied certaine Bufloes with their Keeper at the Riuer-side Which spectacle as vnpleasant to the eye so also most terrible to the heart my fellowes and countrey-men no sooner behelde but they betooke themselues to their best speede My selfe more bolde therein then wise would not amend my pace and so remained bird alone Sodainly the furious raging and cruell Bufloes brake from their keeper and with great violence rage and furie came vpon me My fellowes standing a farre off vpon the toppe of an high mountaine durst not for their liues approach to afford me any comfort helpe aide or succour They neither did nor could expect any other thing saue onely present and moste cruell death Howbeit most gratious Soueraigne the wilde cruell raging and furious Bufloes a thing very strange rare and wonderfull if a miracle let the Reader iudge did no hurt vnto me at all but sported with mee as one childe playeth with another After a while the furious Bufloes left mee and departed in peace from mee At the last my fellowes beholding the departure of the Bufloes and perswading themselues that I was most cruellie slaine came with conuenient speede to visite my corpes But finding me aliue and as liue-like as I was afore we al returned to the Colledge with great ioy and speede The rector of the Colledge could no way be perswaded but that I was very grieuously wounded albeit neither my selfe felt any neither could their eyes or wits discerne any hurt at all saue onely that my face was something bloody by reason of the sodaine fall I gotte while I made hast to haue escaped from the imminent daunger For it had neuer bin knowne or heard among them that euer any man woman or childe escaped with life being once in that kind of daunger to witte in the curtesie of the furious Bufloes Many gaue their censures concerning the fact and euent The generall resolution was this viz. That I might fight with Bufloes in England and haue the vpper hand My selfe did deeme it probable this day me thinketh the same is brought to passe though Gods name be blessed for it in a farre different sense and meaning from that which either they or my selfe did then imagine I thought then to fight against the true professors of Christs Gospell whō I deemed heretiques spiritual Bufloes but God whose wisedome reacheth from end to ende mightily and disposeth all things sweetely ordained me in his eternall purpose to a farre more honourable and sacred Warfare viz. to encounter the trayterous Iesuits and Iesuited popelings and valiantly to fight the battell of Christs Church against those most furious brainlesse cruell Bufloes of mens soules When Saul breathing out slaughter against the Saints of God desired of the high Priests letters by vertue whereof he might bring all to Hierusalem that professed the name of Christ Iesus then our Lord himselfe appeared to him opened his eyes enlightened him with the knowledge of the truth Semblably when my selfe was drowned in the depth of superstitious and erronious Poperie and therein so blinded that I could not discerne trueth from falshood it pleased the same God so to opē the eies of mine heart and soule that I foorthwith beheld as cleerely as the Sunne-shining at noone day late vpstart Poperie farre dissonant from the olde Romane Religion to be battered ouerthrowne and cleane turned vp-side downe and that euen by the cleere euidence plaine verdict and constant doctrine of the best learned Doctors and most renowned writers in the Church of Rome Which metamorphosis and right Christian alteration being wrought in my soule I foorthwith bewayled my former dayes of ignorance very ioyfully embraced the truth in my heart publiquely acknowledged Gods wonderfull operation in mee and most humbly yeelded and submitted my selfe to the mercie of most noble Queene Elizabeth This was the Lords doing and it is wonderfull in our eyes I protest vpon my saluation that I haue at this houre a good testimonie of a well setled conscience and vnspeakable comfort in my soule God make me euer thankfull for this and all other his manifold mercies as I haue also euer had since I first renounced frō my heart the late vpstart Romish Religion For this nowe professed Romish Religion is not as the sillie seduced Papists imagine the old Romane Religion but a new no Religion patched like Mahomets Alcoran and by little and little crept into the Church as I haue prooued elsewhere at large But the Papists being condemned in their own consciences dare not for their liues publish any direct and full answere either to my Motiues
viz. to propine vnto them a cup of dangerous Letharge which pittifully annoyeth the power sensitiue almost vtterly quencheth right reasō that so they shuld neither be able to discerne truth from falshood nor to behold the bright light shining cleerly before their faces On the one side it grieued them aboue measure vexed them at their very hearts to heare continuall out-cryes against them for the non-answering of my bookes On the other side it wounded galled and deepely goared their cōsciences that they were not able to withstād or gainsay my strong reasons euident proofes inuincible demonstrations Being thus perplexed and at their wits end what to say or do they resolued to publish a counterfeit and pretensed answere rather then none at all so to stay in some sort at the least the outcryes exclamations of the people against them And to the ende their couzonage and legierdemaine should not be espyed if that were a thing possible to bee done and effected their scurrilous Libell which containeth onely fiue Chapters in all is fraught with nothing else for the foure first but with notorious lyes antichristian speeches vain bragges railing words couzoning trickes ridiculous asseverations most slaunderous and false accusations Yea of fiue partes one only is reserued for their pretensed answere to my booke I say of their pretensed answere because all the Iesuits or at the least the best of them aswell beyond the seas as in this kingdome gaue their best aduise for the effecting thereof Now if any man demaund the cause why they bestir themselues so much waste so much pretious time spend so many Chapters in things meerely impertinent and plaine by-matters mee thinketh I can not answere that question more fitly then by relating their owne words in their scurrilous and shamelesse Libell albeit by them intended to an other purpose These are their expresse words If he be such a sincere writer as he protesteth so consideratiue and respectiue in the penning of his bookes that no suspition of misreporting or corruptiō can be iustly fastned vpon him then doth it euidently followe that we haue great dissentions in matters of Faith and that our Doctors bee the bane of Catholique doctrine and then no maruell if hee make challenge vppon challenge and remaine vnanswered when as not onely our enemies but also those that we take for our friends and rely vpon stand in open field against vs and haue as it were sworne our destruction Thus writeth the Libeller vnder which name I euer vnderstand the Iesuites and all Iesuited persons whose heads wits concurred in deuising the same Againe a little after he hath these words the matter as he handleth it seemeth so odious that some no question condemne vs highly vpon his report and my selfe was since the comming forth of his booke assaulted with this very question so markeable it is in euery mans eye Thus prateth the godlesse Libeller euen to his owne shame and confusiō though vnwittingly Out of whose words I note sundry very necessarie memorable points for the true comfort of the Christian Reader First that of force and meere necessitie it must be graunted that the Papists haue great dissentions among them euen in matters of Faith Secondly that their very best doctors be the bane of the Pope and the Popes religion Thirdly that it is no maruaile that I make challenge vpon challenge and stil remaine vnanswered Fourthly that those doctors whom they take for their friends and doe relie vpon stand in open field against them as if they were their sworne enemies Fiftly that many Papists begin to stagger and to stand in doubt of the popish Religion and that by reading of my bookes as by an Instrument vnder God in that behalfe Sixthly that the libeller himselfe hath bene assaulted with that which hath beene gathered out of my bookes Seuenthly that the doctrine deliuered in my books is verie markable in euery mans eye Blessed be our Lord God for all his mercies and fauours to this our Church of England Wee see here gentle Reader that the Papists generally euen the Iesuits and Seminarie-Priests begin to feare the ruine and downe-fall of Poperie One thing the Reader must heere remember that the first foure notes or obseruations are respectiue must be vnderstood conditionally viz. that if the Papists doe not confute my bookes effectually then must they all and euery of them perforce and of necessitie be truly verified of the papists of their popish religiō It therfore standeth the Papists vpon to answere me both directly and soundly for else destruction of necessitie must come vpon them and breake the necke of their Poperie This confession God be praised I haue by insoluble reasons and euident demonstrations extorted from their owne pennes But gentle Reader they will neuer answere my bookes till the worlds end because they cannot and consequently euen by their owne free confession which is to be admired Poperie must haue a downefal the sooner the better Amen the case is cleere and evident euen to euery child For they that haue bene buzzing about the answering of my bookes these many yeares and confesse freely withall that the life of their Poperie depends vppon the confutation of my bookes and thereupon haue assaid all meanes they could deuise haue no doubt made choyse of those small parcels with which they thought themselues most able to deale VVherein for al that they haue done nothing else indeede but onely laid open to the viewe of the world their great malice and extreame folly VVhich if I bee not deceiued euery indifferent Reader will affirme with mee so soone as hee hath perused this my briefe plaine discourse so briefe and succinct as none I thinke will deeme it tedious so sound and sincere as none can iustly and truly reproue it and so plaine facile and perspicuous as euery childe may vnderstand the same For if I doe not soundly pithily and effectually confute the Libeller yea euen turne him out of his skin I will be content and well pleased to lose my life for my paines And let the Reader thus perswade himselfe bcause euident reason conuinceth it to be so that if the Iesuits and Iesuited Papists are not able to make good against mee those sillie snatches and pieces of my bookes whereof themselues haue made the choyse that much lesse are they able to confute my whole workes No no they doe in effect confesse so much while they dare neither answere any one booke of all nor yet any one Chapter wholy heere and there an odde piece or sentence I protest vnto the gentle Reader that I partly blush on their behalfe Garnet the prouinciall of the Iesuits in England some yeares agoe was cōsulted with his aduise required that some course might be taken for the answering of my bookes because their silence in that behalfe brought no smal detriment to their Religion The good father hauing on
fire and fagot for the same Howbeit they cannot for shame denie that their famous Bishops Boner of London Tunstall of Durham and Gardiner of Winchester wrote sharply against the vsurped and falsly challenged authoritie of the Bishoppe of Rome Who for all that were neuer termed turne-coates neither by your Popes nor by any of your crew the like I might say of your famous Doctor and Proctor maister Harding and of many others But no man is a turn-coate with you your cursed brood that turneth from the Gospell to your superstitious and Idolatrous Poperie Thirdly I affirme constantly though I glorie not in that behalfe that I neither am Parson Vicar or Curat though the shamelesse lying Libeller charge mee with ietting vp and downe like a cocke of courage vpon the dung-hil and of mine own parish neither did I euer to this day celebrate the holy Communion but the Popish Masse too often neither euer was I authorized by the lawes of our English church to doe it Howbeit I was authorized in time of need where I taught the schoole to reade the common prayers of the Church But all that I did in that behalfe had an ende within the terme of one onely yeare which being true as it is most true indeede I must needes tell our shamelesse Libeller that hee is a shamelesse and impudent lyar Let him remember that a faithfull witnesse will not lie as also that God will destroy them that speake lyes This for the second lye 3 Our shameles lying Libeller telleth his readers that Bels bookes haue long since receiued their answere Marrie Syr he by by addeth a merie iest by way of correction in these expresse words but the answere hath beene hitherto suppressed vpon iust occasion and in another place he telleth vs another like merry iest for he seemes to be the Popes owne iester that fiue Bookes are written against my Motiues and my Survey of Poperie and to giue a grace to his tale he addeth that this supposed answere was finished fiue yeares agoe here is a most cozening legierdemain Here the Iesuites play their parts and shew themselues not onely egregious lyars and most cursed deceiuers but also as the priests write of them the most wicked men that liue vpon the earth it was not without great cause that the learned Papists in France published a booke against them which they named the Iesuites Catechisme in which booke shew at large that the further a Iesuite goes the louder he lyes An other booke intituled the Franke discourse affirmeth constantlie that the Iesuits neuer harboured in their heartes any other proiect but the subuersion of States disauthorizing of Magistrates seducing of subiects from their allegeance The aforenamed Catechisme saith in another place that the whole processe of Iesuits is nothing else but a particular cozening of our priuate families and a generall villanie of all the countries where they inhabite Now sir that we may the better perceiue the legierdemain of this cozening companion impudent Sycophant and shamelesse Libeller who like a deceitfull Iugler tucketh vp his sleeues layeth open his hands before our eyes and maketh a pretence of the plainest dealing that can be vsed we must call to our remembrāce what a brother of his E. O or the selfe same Robert Parsons if ye will told vs aboue three yeares agoe viz. that the confutation of my Bookes was then vndertaken and to bee published if it should bee thought expedient This is a matter of great importance and therefore will I make rehearsall of his owne wordes These are they as they came from his own forge pen To these former he speaketh of two very famous writers M. Doctor Sutcliffe and M. Willet I was once determined to haue adoyned a reformed brother of theirs one Thomas Bell natiue of Rascall in Yorkeshire who since his last illumination hath published certaine bookes against the Catholique Church vaunteth mightily and with insolent words braueth all Seminaries But I altered my purpose partly vpon other considerations but especially because the confutation of his worthy works is already vndertakē to be published if it shall bee thought necessarie Thus writeth E. O or Robert Parsons the brasen faced Iesuit whom we now know right well Out of these wordes of these two Iesuits as they would seeme but both are one onely indeed euē Robert Parsons a most notorious cozening trick is offered to our considerations For the detector marke well my wordes telleth vs that the confutation of my bookes when he published his Libel was but vndertaken by his fellowes that is to say it was then concluded amongst his brethren that my Bookes should bee answered Nowe the supposed answere to my Bookes being then at the most but in fieri not in facto esse as the Schooles terme it viz. being at that time but in hand or in doing at the most and not done or finished indeed Nay it was but then resolued amongst them that some answere should bee made vnto my Bookes And therefore saith Parsons the detector that hee was once determined to haue said somthing against my books but hearing that his fellowes were about the same matter he altered his purpose Well this detection was published but in the yeare 1602. let the time be remembred Nowe sir the fore-runner singeth another song and affirmeth desperately but to his vtter shame and confusion that forsooth my Bookes were answered fiue yeares agoe And least some should obiect against him that it seemes otherwise because no man can see them reade them or heare of them hee to preuent that obiection telleth vs that the answere is suppressed and vpon iust occasion stayed from the publication Because indeede there is no such answere in Rerum natura or else which is worse when they had well viewed their said answer it seemed so deformed and ill fauoured in their eyes that they were ashamed to publish it Let vs put together these two seueral assertions Out of the forerunner wee haue it affirmed for a truth such a truth euer vnderstand as is currant amongst the Iesuits that my bookes my Motiues and Suruey were answered fiue yeares agoe that is to say almost three whole yeares before the answere was begunne For the answere was finished saith the forerunner fiue yeares agoe viz. An. 1599. and the same answere was but vndertaken in the yeare 1602. as the detector telleth vs. These Iesuits their asseuerations are much like to Sampsons Foxes That is to say their tailes are tied together but their heads and mindes are farre asunder So then this must needes be the conclusion that my bookes were answered fiue yeares agoe and yet vnanswered two yeares agoe This in my conceit is not onely a Riddle but a plaine miracle Yet such a miracle vnderstand as the Iesuits wrought vpon Sebastian the late King of Portingall of which miracle I haue written