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A79533	A whip for the lecturers of Lewis, and for all those Presbyterians, and others of the clergy which maintain that damnable opinion of absolute reprobation, according to the sense of the within written paper. With an exact copy of two several letters sent unto the the said lecturers, wherein the author desires satisfaction concerning the said opinion, with an answer to one of the said letters, being a true copy also. / By Edward Choune ...	Choune, Edward.	1657 (1657)	Wing C3929; ESTC R171318	20,781	29

yet by all the endeavours that is possible the creature can use will any thing avail with God to free themselves from that place of to ment And also maintain that as God hath ordained the end of the reprobate which is damnation so hath he ordained the means tending unto their damnation These opinions appearing so dreadful unto me I have often sollicited them how I might hear them preach and pray with any comfort for answering me in writing they are so ashamed of their opinion that they would never set pen to paper for to give the least satisfaction and all the summe of their discourse is nothing but this if a man be not reprobated he shall be sure to have comfort by their preaching which for my part I think if there be no more satisfaction to be given for this simple opinion all you Ministers may go into your pulpits and tell us stories of Tom an Oaks and John a Styles and as much good it will do in respect of our salvations I have heard one of them should say I were so wilful I would not be satisfied whereupon I writ unto them if they did but give Mr Smith and Mr Mountague both Ministers who are not unknown unto you satisfaction I would then acknowledge my rashness but instead of giving them satisfaction upon a Sunday Mr Newton having not the fear of God before his eyes told me a most damnable lie of Mr Smith saying he disavowed my opinion much wondring at me I admiring at this change in Mr Smith meeting with him that week did charge him with it he professed to me that he did not deny it in the least tittle but told me Mr Pickering desired to speak with him they did meet and Mr Pickering had framed a writing about the opinion and was very importunate for Mr Smith to set his hand unto it which he refused to do telling Mr Pickering they were not to preach unto stocks and stones but unto rational creatures as for Mr Mountague he denied his setting his hand unto Mr Pickerings writing also and I suppose is unmoveable in respect of this opinion now let the world judge if Mr Newton did not tell a most wilful lie of Mr Smith A man would much wonder to see men quote St Augustine Bishop Overal the Church of England and many others to maintain both sides opinions being as much difference as there is betwixt light and darkness I will instance in some of their sayings as they are quoted unto me Bish Davenant quotes Austin in these words Whether ye run or sleep or whether ye receive the word into your hearts or reject it yet in the conclusion ye shall be such as God who is invincible decreed you should be This saith Davenant is a most true doctrine but because in the manner of propounding it seemeth to separate the end from the means and invite men unto slothfulness therefore as it is most true so it is most wicked to teach The other side quotes Austin in these words We abominate the blasphemy of those who teach that any thing is commanded of God which is impossible for man to do and also saith that Austin shall speak so plainly and as strongly to maintain reprobation to be a conditional thing as any man that can be bribed to be an advocate or a witness Bishop Davenant quotes the Church of England and Bishop Overall calling him the judicious Bishop to maintain that God by his eternal decree did give his infallible grace unto some for bringing them to glory which he resolved not to bestow unto others which must perish The other side quotes the Church of England saying it is precisely the judgment of the Church and quotes Bishop Overol for the interpreting the mind of her articles in this particular that reprobation is a conditional thing and saying he was as well able to do it as any man that ever lived also quoting the 2.7 and 31. Articles to make it good I will write down the 31 Article The oblation of Christ once made is a perfect redemption propitiation and satisfaction for all the sins of the whole world as well original as actuall Either those men which I have read on both sides are mistaken in their interpretations or else St Austin Bishop Overall and the framers of the Articles of the Church of England and others were fools and knaves to write such things for the shewing themselves to be Jack on both sides yet I confess this wonder may quickly cease considering a Proverb now used that men are not ashamed in making Gods word a Nose of Wax for the framing of it unto any fashion doubtless a man may quote thousands of places of Scripture which do evidently make it appear that reprobation is a conditional thing I will instance in but a few and them I will forbear writing down knowing who I write unto as Deut. 5.29 Psal 7.13 the whole 15 Psalme and Psal 81.14 15. Psal 145.9 Ezek. 18.21 and 33.11 Hosea 13.9 Micah 7.18 Matth. 25.41 Mark 16.15 Luke 13.34 and 19.42 John 1.9 and 3.19 Acts 17.30 Rom. 14.15 1 Cor 8.11 1 John 2.2 1 Tim. 4.6 2 Pet. 3 9 now if all these places cited do not sufficiently prove reprobation to be a conditional thing and that every son of Adam especially all those that live under the sound of the Gospel are in a capacity of salvation notwithstanding any decree of God For my part I do verily believe 't is not a three penny matter whether Christ had ever shed any bloud or whether there were any Scripture or no and also no matter whether ever any Minister preach or pray more This is my belief if I am in an errour the Lord help and instruct me for if God hath decreed from all eternity infallibly to save the smallest part and infallibly to damn the greatest part of man-kind I would fain see any rational cause given why all men should be invited to look heaven-ward when this cursed opinion saith all the Devils in hell cannot keep one of the elect from glory and all the saint-like actions in the world that is posble for the creature to do cannot keep one of the reprobates from damnation But I thank my God being of a contrary judgment I do think Christ shedding his bloud the Scriptures and the praying and preaching of Ministers to be all very necessary unto salvation I hearing Mr Newton preach about a moneth since did like his Sermon and Prayer very well because it did not clash with the Scripture but very much with his opinion I sent him a Letter with some of the heads of his Sermon and Prayer advising him if he could make it appear that the doctrine of his Sermon and Prayer did not contradict his private judgment before any rational man that then I would very willingly shake hands with him concerning his opinion and telling him whereas I had not heard him preach above three or four times for above a twelve moneth

hinge and no matter for any religion if that be a truth of God yet I have been deeply censured by many of my friends for being so singular in the opposing and reviling those Ministers which maintain it Now in regard I see very few Ministers will stand in the gap to oppose them for fear of losing their Bacon or their noble Tithes and other men they do not care for troubling themselves desiring to live quietly my answer shall be Luther's own words as he is quoted in the Book of Martyrs when he alone appeared against the Papists many of his friends perswaded him to be silent for fear some temporal persecution should be inflicted on him his answer was saying If there were as many Divels in the town of Wormes in Germany as there were tiles on the houses yet he would appear in that cause This cause having much more need for another Luther to appear then ever the other had and yet there be but very few dare shew themselves in this great work therefore by Gods help I will with my very small abilities appear to the utmost of my power in this cause until such time as I am convinced by Scripture and Reason and then I shall most willingly lie down at their feet I confess some have seemingly reproved me for using passionate expressions in the forewritten letters as they say in calling the Ministers jugling Priests and saying they are more sitting to keep hoggs then to continue in the Ministery and such like words but doubtless no Christian upon due consideration can think there is any passion used in regard they are such blasphemers in making God the Author of sin for they say As God hath ordained the end of the Reprobate which is damnation so hath he ordained the means tending thereunto by which plain words let the world judge if they do not make God the Author of all sins But many of these men that I have to deal withall are meer shuttle-cocks saying one thing to day and denying it to morrow especially Priest Newton to my knowledge therefore look on the Marginal notes on Deut. 2. and v. 30. there you shall find those very blasphemous words above written of Gods appointing the means unto the end which I suppose was done by their Geneva brethren and unto this purpose if you will but look into those cursed Authors Zanchius Crowley and Knox they will tell you all those who are or shall be damned are necessarily damn'd and that by Gods predestination we are compelled to do those things for which we shall be damned Reverend Calvin himself as some call him but for my part I think if all his works were answerable unto this most abominable and blasphemous expression his title onely deserves Calvin Sir Reverence where he faith lib. 1. c. 27. § 11. That the wicked are not onely bound in fetters but are guided by Gods bridle to do all manner of their wicked actions Many such damnable expressions of such wicked Authors I have lying by me but I will forbear Some men have imagined that I was set on by some Jesuit or some other wicked men or else distracted or else I would not so violently oppose those cursed Reprobatarians doubtless it had been no sin against God or man if thousands had joyned with me in this nature for the opposing sucha dwellish heresies I suppose the very style of this writing will so cleer the business that no Scholar hed any hand in it but I profess in the presence of that God before whom I write this that never any man did dictate one line unto me what I should write either now or whatever I did write before or ever gare me any enconragement to oppose them in this nature If ever I do suffer any temporal punishment for these my own actions I will give you four unanswerable reasons which moved me unto it The first reason is Gods word which will be an unquestionable evidence for the clearing of me at the last day The second reason my reading of many eminent mens works upon that subject which concur with the Scriptures The third reason several conferences I have had with many Godly well disposed Christians which have agreed with me in this judgment The fourth and last reason is my own conscience which I make no doubt of but will prove a continual feast unto me As for my being distracted I never did know my temporal judgment in a better condition blessed be that God who is the onely continuer of it and I suppose I have not give any of my acquaintance cause to think the contrary As for my comfortable assurance of my eternal welfare I can boldly speak it if I were now at this instant to give an account for all my wicked actions I do verily believe that my gracious God is not in the least degree angry with me for any thing I have said or written against those Ministers which maintain that blasphemous opinion of absolute reprobation but I have great cause to think rather that my gracious God doth very much own these my undertakings and I do also verily believe in respect of my souls salvation I am at this present writing and have been ever since the fortunate difference betwixt the Parson and my self brake out in a more blessed condition then I was before for a long time I will draw towards a conclusion with a learned mans character of the Clergy in general his book is called The Modern Policy to be sold at the George in Fleet-street a little book about eight pence price I confess I shall rove from the subject in hand onely I will make some use of it by way of application I have not read in this book very lately yet I will not add one line more then his own words he saith it much pierceth his heart to see the Clergy in such a high degree accessary to the civil distempers how they have every where shaken the foundations both of Church and state and how it hath been observed that there hath been no floud of misery but did spring from or at least was much swelled by their holy water saith he I have searched the Evangelical records and there was nothing but milde and soft doctrines I enquired into the breathings of the Spirit and they were pacificatory I wondered from what presidents and Scripture-encouragements these men deduced their practises and at last was forced to conclude that they were only pretended chaplaines unto the Prince of peace it is hard to find in any place any tragical scene or bloudy Theatre but a Jesuite or some stone-Priest hath had a part in it He also saith the Politician must nourish some mercenary Jesuite or other Divines to cry up their aimes in their Churches that so the poyson may insinuate more generally into all for the sharpest sword in his Army cannot vie services with his subtil quill and so we may see those torches that should have been for saving light were degenerated into fire-brands those trumpets that should have sounded retreats to popular furies knew no other musick but martiall allarums I confess I have both read and discoursed with many of the same judgment but until within these two or three years I was very unwilling to entertain such vile thoughts of them but now I confess if this plain English be a truth of God which those I write against maintain it to be that is to say all the Devils in hell could not keep any of those which are in heaven from that place nor shall be any hindrance to any of those that shall be heaeafter received into that place of glory nor Christ Jesus Ministers praying and preaching nor all the Saint-like actions that are possble for the Creature to do could keep any of those which are in hell nor can keep any of those which shall hereafter go into hell from that place of torment if this be a truth then Iverily believe the character the learned man gives as aforesaid of the Clergy may be as true as the Gospel they having nothing to do for to imploy their wits on but on such devillish designs but for my part believing their opinion to be one of the Devils truths for indeed it is impossible for the Devil to be a deceiver if their opinion be a truth of God therefore I hope to have more honourable thoughts of those Clergy which discovered that hellish opnion Though I confess to my knowledge many of them ought to have a slash provided for them because they will not shew themselves in this great work for the opposing of such a devillish heresie and very many Ministers have abominated this opinion unto me in such like termes and yet all the reason they can give to excuse their silence is only as I said before for fear they should lose their Bacon O sad sad sad are these miserable times we live in but I hope yet in Gods good time we shall have a through reformation for doubtless as in the 106. Psalm were there not some Moses's that did stand in the breach to stop the fury of the Lord many may expect the same judgment which was inflicted on Dathan and Abiram for this their most damnable opinion There have many eminent men for learning and piety both formerly and lately shewed themselves in print for the opposing of this heresie and I doubt not but many more will appear in this great work not onely to reprove the Reprobatarian Ministery but also other Ministers which are of the contrary judgment and yet think themselves to be Gods labourers though they will not appear in Gods vineyard to do the work of the Lord which doubtless is to inveigh in their pulpits against those wicked Reprobatarians in the bitterest language which can be invented which may prove under God to be the onely means for the suppressing this most damnable and most blasphemous heresie Although I am my self but a Farmer and was never since I was 14 years of age capable of any better preferment yet I would most willingly ride 500 miles and spend or give 100 l. upon some charitable use that this Nation were well satisfied concerning this heretical opinion which is so stifly maintained by Mr Newton the Presbyterian Priest of my parish and other men of that stamp and so farewell FINIS