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A92615 Some papers of the Commissioners of Scotland given in lately to the Houses of Parliament, concerning the propositions of peace.; Proceedings. 1646 Scotland. Convention of Estates.; Buchanan, David, 1595?-1652?; England and Wales. Parliament. Proceedings. 1646. 1646 (1646) Wing S1346; Thomason E333_1; ESTC R200741 15,543 31

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SOME PAPERS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF SCOTLAND Given in lately to the Houses of PARLIAMENT Concerning the PROPOSITIONS OF Peace LONDON Printed for Robert Bostock dwelling at the signe of the Kings Head in Pauls Church-yard April 11. 1646. To the Reader Judicious and good Reader THe drawing up of Propositions for Peace to be sent unto the King for a long time hath taken up the thoughts and pains of those who sit at the stern and helm of affairs The delay of sending the Propositions of late hath busied the phancies and tongues of most men who do make it at this time the ordinary Theme of their discourses which every one frameth right or wrong as he is carried by interest but chiefly and mainly as he is lead by information reasoning to and fro he layeth the cause of the thus delaying to send Propositions to His Majesty upon those whom he thinks and giveth out to be the let Now seeing the great mistake of many well-minded men in this Point who taking things at the second hand without being able to dive to the bottome and ground of affairs shut at rovers and do not attain the mark For the better information of all those who love Truth and that faithful men with constancy to the Principles whereunto we are all sworn by our solemn Covenant and tyed to by divers Treaties Agreements and Results after so many debates conferences and mature deliberation be no more thus misunderstod as they are by some namely by those who are so much concerned to know the truth and consequently to reject the sinistrous reports raised and spred abroad against honesty integrity with constant faithfulnesse to the glory of God and good of his People I having clearly understood from very good intelligence the cause in hand do set it down here truely and simply as it is revera without any disguisement by stating the question otherwayes then it is indeed or by colouring it with affected words which I here present unto thee judicious Reader heartily for thy satisfaction with the Copy of three Papers given into the Houses of Parliament by the Commissioners of Scotland which the last day fell into my hands I pray thee to take in good part this weak expression for the publike good from him who constantly prayeth for the welfare of Jerusalem and wisheth thee to live in it happily and prosperously Adieu The state of the Question concerning the Propositions of Peace THe Commissioners of Scotland have for nine Moneths ever since the twentieth of Iune last pressed the sending of the former Propositions agreed upon between the Kingdomes presented to the King at Oxford and whereof the most materiall were afterward debated upon at Vxbridge The Houses of Parliament upon the sixth of August last in answer to the Scottish Commissioners declare That Propositions shall be sent speedily but that they intend to make some alterations After nine Moneths the Houses deliver to the Scots Commissioners upon the last of February some new Propositions The Commissioners of Scotland upon the 16. of Marchs deliver in their Answer to these Propositions wherein they observe that all the omissions additions or alteration made in the former Propositions are in those things which concerne the joynt interest and union of the Kingdoms Upon the 26. of March the Houses appoint a Committee to debate with the Scottish Commissioners concerning the differences which are chiefly these 1 Concerning Religion The Houses make a generall Proposition desiring the King to assent to what they have or shall agree upon concerning Reformation of Religion and concerning Uniformity in Religion as the two Kingdoms shall agree The Commissioners desire to know the particulars that after so long consultation of the Divines of both Kingdoms they may with knowledge and assurance consent to that Proposition it was answered the Houses had not resolved what particulars to send And the Commissioners of Scotland deny to consent till they be acquainted with the Particulars and take them into consideration 2 Concerning the Militia The Commissioners desire the former Proposition agreed upon between the Kingdomes and debated at Vxbridge to be sent especially because it doth neerly unite the Kingdomes The Houses in their new Propositions will have the Militia of the Kingdomes setled severally each Kingdome by it selfe apart The Commissioners desire such a conjunction at least as both may upon occasion joyne together for suppressing insurrections and opposing forraigne invasions The Houses will have the Militia setled in themselves from time to time without any limitation and not only the King but his Posterity and the Crowne excluded in time comming The Commissioners conceive it necessary that for the security of the Kingdomes the Militia should be so setled as the King may have no power to make these Kingdomes twice miserable but that this being a case extraordinary it should onely be for a time and as upon the one part they thinke it most dangerous that the Militia should after expiration of that time be setled in the King alone so they hold it very unsafe That the fundamentall Lawes of the Kingdom should be altered and the Crown for ever excluded from all interest right whatsoever but after expiration of such a time as shall be agreed upon the ordering of the Militia may be by King and Parliament according to the many Declarations of both Kingdomes See Collection of Remonst pag. 207 208. 728 729 730. c. and particularly of the Houses of Parliament who affirme it to be by the constitution and fundamentall Lawes of the Kingdome in King and Parliament together and onely in cases extraordinary when the King failes in his Duty the Parliament alone to provide for the security of the Kingdome 3 Concerning Ireland The Houses alleadge that the trans-actions between the Kingdomes made at Edenburgh 28. November 1643. are no Treaty The Commissioners make it appeare that it is a Treaty for that the English Commissioners had power to Treat agree and conclude Articles are drawn up and agreed unto which the Houses ratifie and confirme in their Votes of the ninth of March and eleaventh of Aprill 1643. In the same Votcs calling it a Treaty And Scotland performes their part of the Treaty makes their Army stay and advance to them a hundreth thousand pounds sterling at the desire of England who then because of their low condition were not able to send them any releife and now the Houses make question to perform their part of the Treaty to Scotland Lastly The difference is concerning foure Propositions formerly agreed upon between the Kingdomes and omitted by the Houses in their new Propositions They are 1. The Proposition that Peace and Warre shall not be made without consent of both Kingdomes 2. For education of the Kings Children by consent of both Kingdomes 3. For disbanding the Armies by consent of both Kingdomes 4. For an Act of oblivion by consent of both The Commissioners desire that either the Propositions concerning Religion the Militia